Kobold Tail Attachments of Inappropriate Sizes


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So Kobold Tail Attachments are Light Weapons... when you attempt to use a Light Weapon made for a creature of a larger size category, you take -2 to the attack roll per size category difference, and it goes up 1 step of weapon difficulty per size category difference.

So normally, a Medium Creature using a Large Dagger would take -2 and it would be considered a 1-handed weapon.

At the same time, a Medium Creature using a Huge Dagger would take -4 and it would be considered a 2-handed weapon.

However, Kobold Tail Attachments... don't go on the hands. Also, Kobolds don't have multiple tails.

So what happens? Can you not use an inappropriately sized Kobold Tail Attachment?


I'm curious...

ARE there non-Small Kobold Tail Attachments in your world? Why?


bitter lily wrote:

I'm curious...

ARE there non-Small Kobold Tail Attachments in your world? Why?

BECAUSE I SAYS SO! AND I NEED A BIG WEAPON! NOT SOME STINKING TINY CLEAVER!


The penalty is because you are unable to weild it properly, not because you can't hold it properly. Whether its too heavy, or simply too long, who knows.

Doesn't mean you can use it though (at a penalty of course) Kobolds are clever enough, and you could assume they use some rope or something to secure a larger attachment for use. Or they just smash it til it fits :-)


bitter lily wrote:

I'm curious...

ARE there non-Small Kobold Tail Attachments in your world? Why?

Racial heritage (kobold)->tail terror

Medium ones would be in use too.


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KunoichiSong wrote:
Can you not use an inappropriately sized Kobold Tail Attachment?

I would say not. The exception might be if you got some sort of ability that enlarges your limbs (assuming your tail counts as a limb) to be able to wield oversize weapons without penalty. It doesn't look like Titan Mauler's Jotungrip or Massive Weapons work for this because, as you say, a tail attachment is a light weapon.


My curiosity stems from putting kobolds into a homebrew campaign. Thanks to those who explained the question for me! Since I don't like Racial Heritage, I'm generally not aware of issues that using the feat engenders.

Colossal Kobold, sir, of course you deserve a colossal tail attachment, sir! Naturally, sir. Anything less, sir, would be paltry. But would anyone of a mean stature who stole found it be able to use it, sir? <whisper> How tall is a colossal kobold, anyway? 7 feet?

Core under Magic Items wrote:

When an article of magic clothing or jewelry is discovered, most of the time size shouldn't be an issue. Many magic garments are made to be easily adjustable, or they adjust themselves magically to the wearer. Size should not keep characters of various kinds from using magic items.

There may be rare exceptions, especially with race-specific items.

Well, a tail attachment is definitely a race-specific item.

I personally can see a Small kobold using a Medium-size attachment in a jury-rigged fashion. At -2 & as a "one-handed" weapon rather than a light one. Sure, it's not used by a hand, but that's still a meaningful penalty to reflect its abnormal weight -- Weapon Finesse no longer applies, for instance. And I can't think of any benefits just now that a 1-H weapon has over a light one, aside from the difference in damage that the larger weapon presumably does.

A two-size-up attachment is a different story. You certainly don't want to call it a "two-handed" weapon and allow it a 1-1/2 STR bonus. It's slipping and sliding around far too much! Sliding off, in fact. For a game that I GM, my first instinct is to disallow its use, to say that any wearable item two sizes larger than the character cannot be secured properly for control.

Alternatively, since such a piece is really worn rather than wielded, I might say that a magic tail attachment could well resize itself as armor does to the size of the wearer. (I have to think about it; such a ruling would also apply to magic brass knuckles and other such items.)


Are there drake or dragon tail attachments? If Kobold Tail Attachments come in various sizes, wouldn't a Large one fit a forest drake, for instance?


The Sideromancer wrote:
bitter lily wrote:

I'm curious...

ARE there non-Small Kobold Tail Attachments in your world? Why?

Racial heritage (kobold)->tail terror

Medium ones would be in use too.

For what it's worth...

I'm pretty sure there was a big long discussion about this and that the end result of the thread was that it didn't work.

Basically it was decided tail terror allows you to make an attack with your tail. It doesn't cause you to grow a tail. Humans don't have tails. And so, they can't make an attack with an appendage they don't have.

I believe this is thread. And the actual post, where a designer says no.


Claxon: Aha! Thank you.

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