My paladin's NPC girlfriend was abducted last session. She was under house arrest in the temple of Sarenrae for killing the NPC party bard. She claims that he was consorting with cultists and fiends, and there is some evidence that she is telling the truth. At the very least, she isn't lying, as we have subjected her to Zone of Truth and identified her divination scrolls she used to ascertain the bard's guilt as genuine articles. All the same, the rest of the party wanted to "keep an eye" on her until this was sorted out.
As we were performing a casting of "Speak With Dead" on the Bard's corpse, her cell was attacked. As I entered the cell, I noticed that explosives were used to make an entrance from underground. The tunnel formed was one of the same make as the wererat swarm that has been aiding the local cultists/terrorists that have been bombing the city.
Naturally, my paladin charged into the tunnel after his girlfriend. As he reached the exit, he noticed something horrific. His girlfriend's finger. Bitten off alongside her magic ring. At this point, my half-orc paladin is feeling the blood fury of his orc father.
What follows is a chase through the city for two carriages. The first one followed was a decoy, and another bombing vessel for the cultist's agenda. The second one was the one that she was being kept in, given the pool of blood we found in the seat. Fortunately, the party Shaman was able to track her through her Headband of Alluring Charisma.
We tracked her down to a house she accused the bard of making rendezvous with. After storming through the house to the basement, my paladin found her in a cage. Shackled to the wall, bloody, beaten and bruised.
The session ended when we killed two cultists, one got away, and we captured the remaining two. Given the connection that we know exists between the cultists and wererats, it's highly likely she was bitten by wererat. She was going to stay in the cage until she turned, most likely.
While we are going to get her the medical attention she needs, I'm wondering if Lycanthropes can infect through bites regardless of what form they are in. We're going to cover our bases and get the necessary Remove Disease/Heal spell cast on her by a 12th level cleric. But I'm curious about the actual rules on Lycanthrope infection.
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Here's the Curse of Lycanthropy entry:
Curse of Lycanthropy wrote: A natural lycanthrope’s bite attack in animal or hybrid form infects a humanoid target with lycanthropy (Fortitude DC 15 negates). If the victim’s size is not within one size category of the lycanthrope’s size, this ability has no effect. Per RAW, if they're turned into their hybrid form (usually by choice or through some sort of activity, as per a full moon), the lycanthropy would be transferred through a bite attack. Of course, she could have possibly made the save (it's only DC 15, and even with average stats, it's a 25% chance). If they're in their humanoid form, it wouldn't transfer, though many GMs would argue that it's not something that should be linked to their form (and more to their being, and as such, any sort of bite attack would apply), but that's what the rules say.
Here's more relevant information:
Lycanthropy wrote: A creature that catches lycanthropy becomes an afflicted lycanthrope, but shows no symptoms (and does not gain any of the template's adjustments or abilities) until the night of the next full moon, when the victim involuntarily assumes animal form and forgets his or her own identity. The character remains in animal form until the next dawn and remembers nothing about the entire episode (or subsequent episodes) unless he makes a DC 20 Will save, in which case he becomes aware of his condition.
A remove disease or heal spell cast by a cleric of 12th level or higher cures the affliction, provided the character receives the spell within 3 days of the infecting lycanthrope's attack. Alternatively, consuming a dose of wolfsbane gives an afflicted lycanthrope a new Fortitude save to recover from lycanthropy.
You may not know for sure if she is contracted or not unless you perform something akin to a Heal skill check (or perhaps more accurately, a Perception skill check) to determine if that is the case, and it's only truly definitive when they turn under the full moon. Otherwise, your character probably has no clue (though he can certainly question it if he has reason to).
Of course, a strong enough Cleric can cleanse the disease, but only within 3 days of being afflicted. After that, the Cleric is no good. Wolfsbane is another, much cheaper (and probably more available) option, as far as I know, but it's a poison, something which most Paladins have ethical qualms for using.
The only other problem is that it's not fool-proof, and is heavily dependent upon the consumer's own fortitude (as they must remake the save, though if they're given some anti-disease alchemical goods, it's basically a coin flip).
Needless to say, in most cases, once you're turned, you're turned. There isn't much to do in the way of fixing it, especially if it's let go for so long. Either way, that Paladin is going to be swallowed up in his own fury and anger after failure, or realize that his path is too dangerous for him to involve potential love lives, for fear that he may be forced to one day deal with the pain of loss.
Darksol the Painbringer wrote: Here's the Curse of Lycanthropy entry:
Curse of Lycanthropy wrote: A natural lycanthrope’s bite attack in animal or hybrid form infects a humanoid target with lycanthropy (Fortitude DC 15 negates). If the victim’s size is not within one size category of the lycanthrope’s size, this ability has no effect. Per RAW, if they're turned into their hybrid form (usually by choice or through some sort of activity, as per a full moon), the lycanthropy would be transferred through a bite attack. Of course, she could have possibly made the save (it's only DC 15, and even with average stats, it's a 25% chance). If they're in their humanoid form, it wouldn't transfer, though many GMs would argue that it's not something that should be linked to their form (and more to their being, and as such, any sort of bite attack would apply), but that's what the rules say.
I looked all over for that. It's such a small entry. I guess I overlooked it as a I skimmed. Shame too. It's a very important piece of information.
Darksol the Painbringer wrote: Here's more relevant information:
Lycanthropy wrote: A creature that catches lycanthropy becomes an afflicted lycanthrope, but shows no symptoms (and does not gain any of the template's adjustments or abilities) until the night of the next full moon, when the victim involuntarily assumes animal form and forgets his or her own identity. The character remains in animal form until the next dawn and remembers nothing about the entire episode (or subsequent episodes) unless he makes a DC 20 Will save, in which case he becomes aware of his condition.
A remove disease or heal spell cast by a cleric of 12th level or higher cures the affliction, provided the character receives the spell within 3 days of the infecting lycanthrope's attack. Alternatively, consuming a dose of wolfsbane gives an afflicted lycanthrope a new Fortitude save to recover from lycanthropy.
You may not know for sure if she is contracted or not unless you perform something akin to a Heal skill check (or perhaps more accurately, a Perception skill check) to determine if that is the case, and it's only truly definitive when they turn under the full moon. Otherwise,...
We had to wrap up the session after combat. We didn't get a chance to ask her any questions or perform any skill checks on her to evaluate her wounds. So this is all speculation with what we know in the campaign, and plans based on those speculations.
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Darksol the Painbringer wrote: Wolfsbane is another, much cheaper (and probably more available) option, as far as I know, but it's a poison, something which most Paladins have ethical qualms for using. It's only a poison if you're using as a poison. In this case it is medicine.
I would say, yes. Lycanthropy is extremely virulent. It can be transmitted through sexual contact.
Fellfire wrote: I would say, yes. Lycanthropy is extremely virulent. It can be transmitted through sexual contact. Where did you get that from?
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Madokar Valortouched wrote: Fellfire wrote: I would say, yes. Lycanthropy is extremely virulent. It can be transmitted through sexual contact. Where did you get that from? Probably Laurell K. Hamilton.
Fellfire wrote: I would say, yes. Lycanthropy is extremely virulent. It can be transmitted through sexual contact. More properly, it's genetic. If a character with lycanthropy mates with a creature who is (or isn't) lycanthropic, the newborn creature would also suffer from the effects of lycanthropy, since the parent(s) is/are afflicted with the disease of lycanthropy.
A lot of diseases normally aren't genetic, but Lycanthropy isn't just a disease, but also a curse.
Here's an entry for proof regarding contraction of Lycanthropy:
Contracting Lycanthropy wrote: Inheritance: Those creatures born with the blood of lycanthropy fully within them are known as natural lycanthropes. These individuals are every bit as accursed as their afflicted counterparts, save that they are, for the most part, capable of controlling their bestial urges. While they can transform at will and are not so attuned to the mysterious influence of the phases of the moon, the blood of the beast still burns brightly within them, and many natural lycanthropes turn toward a path of depravity and insatiable hunger. For the most part, natural and afflicted lycanthropes tend to bear children born with the curse. It remains a mystery as to exactly how far down a familial line the curse of lycanthropy runs before it manifests only as skinwalker children or is diluted to the point of non-expression. The bolded parts provide compelling evidence to suggest that mating with other Lycanthropes results in creating Lycanthropic offspring.
Technically 'Blood of the Moon' even added the fact that all natural attacks works as well as swallowing their blood. Especially the later should even work if they are in their humanoid form. Sadly it is still missing in the template as well as all monster entries but it is written there for sure.
So take care lycantrope Players it works!
sunblaze31 wrote: Technically 'Blood of the Moon' even added the fact that all natural attacks works as well as simple blood Transfer. Especially the later should even work if they are in their humanoid form. Sadly it is still missing in the template as well as all monster entries but it is written there for sure.
So take care lycantrope Players it works!
easy to make sure enemies don't turn into werecreatures just make sure they are dead
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cloakable wrote: Madokar Valortouched wrote: Fellfire wrote: I would say, yes. Lycanthropy is extremely virulent. It can be transmitted through sexual contact. Where did you get that from? Probably Laurell K. Hamilton. I believe it was Van Richten's Guide to Werebeasts which I still consider the go to source for all things lycanthrope.
Van richten is nice, but this isn't ravenloft.
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