Unresolved story arcs? (Spoilers for pretty much everything, I guess)


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I like to think he got the help he so desperately needed

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Ooh, another one...

Early Season Seven:
Six seconds to Migr--Midnight! Are we going to run into one of those individuals again??

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Consider me another voice for more Jistkan scenario's, especially a follow up on just what happened to Helsprex.

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I would like to see the fate of Koth'Vaul,

Traitor's Lodge:
because the Traitor's Lodge suggests he's on the loose somewhere. Speaking of which, I'd also like to see Valais again, and perhaps there is a plot related to restoring her.

I disagree that the plotline with Aslynn is resolved,

Abducted in Aether:
because she learned important secrets from Aram Zey, therefore she clearly is plotting for something that will potentially conflict with the Society's plans.

There's an ongoing plot from Faithless & Forgotten that I hope to see revisited in season eight,

Faithless and Forgotten:
specifically that the recipient of the Infernal Inheritance will likely want to claim it somehow.

Oh, right. In Wonders in the Weave, it is suggested that the Aspis consortium

Wonders in the Weave:
is secretly led by a group of nagas. Did something ever come of that? The GM implied a tie-in to Year Of The Serpent, but season 7 scenarios don't seem to support this.

Since someone mentioned the Horn of Aroden, does the most prominent NPC from that scenario recur anywhere else?

We've been wondering about the Sun Orchid Elixir, which has been popping up over a number of scenarios. Specifically, who else has been trying to obtain it?

Speculation:
Speculation suggests that Her Infernal Majestrix wants one, and clearly Razmir the Living God needs those regularly, and it's possible that at least one of the Decemvirate has his eyes on the elixir.

Finally, there's Ralzeros the Overwatched

Spoiler:
whose gates are just begging for a follow-up.

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I'd find it hilarious if the Society played matchmaker between the NPCs from The Stolen Heir and The Horn of Aroden, because I keep mixing those two scenarios up in my head. It would make no logical sense, but the confusion potential is amazing.

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Another one : can we go get the Bell of Obedience back? That one is personal for my gunslinger, since she died on the mission it was lost and spent all her prestige to get a raise dead. Whoever is responsible for that theft is getting a musket shot with vital strike and deadly aim to the face.

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RealAlchemy wrote:
Another one : can we go get the Bell of Obedience back? That one is personal for my gunslinger, since she died on the mission it was lost and spent all her prestige to get a raise dead. Whoever is responsible for that theft is getting a musket shot with vital strike and deadly aim to the face.

Based on a scenario I recently played, I think the Society has a fresh lead on that.

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Wonders in the Weave:
I'm not sure how certain it is that there are naga/serpentfolk involved, but it's pretty weird how there was one right in an Aspis operation. Could be coincidence, could be something very real. Though you'd think you'd have seen more proof of them if you've played All for Immortality. Upon rereading the scenario, it seems there's just a random serpentfolk mummy lying in a cave inhabited by lizardfolk. Nothing directly points to Aspis involvement here.

I'm intrigued by the Jistka, I've seen them mentioned and played one scenario where they're involved, but I don't see yet how they're influential. *Hits the Pathfinder Wiki.*

By the way, The Immortal Conundrum hinted at knowledge of the Sun Orchid Elixir history (mainly their buyers) all the way back in season 3, but there's been no payoff yet. I'd thought that with Sun Orchid Scheme and All for Immortality it'd come back, but apparently not. I'd like to see it return, it's an interesting MacGuffin.

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Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten and/or All for Immortality. Those left quite a mark on the history of the Society/Golarion, but we've seen surprisingly little of it. There's one scenario that slightly references Eyes, but blink and you miss it.
The only problem with followups to these scenarios is that not everyone has played them, so sequels will leave a lot of people confused.

I just want more Eliza Petulengro. :(

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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Spoiler:
it seems there's just a random serpentfolk mummy lying in a cave inhabited by lizardfolk

Seriously, WTF?

Quote:
By the way, The Immortal Conundrum hinted at knowledge of the Sun Orchid Elixir history (mainly their buyers) all the way back in season 3, but there's been no payoff yet.

Destiny of the Sands also tangentially involves the Sun Orchid Elixir.

Spoiler:

An unstated implication is that Grandmaster Torch was looking for it, because it may be able to cure his, ah, condition.

Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

Spoiler:
All of Season Two deals with the fallout of Eyes of the Ten.
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Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
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Seriously, WTF?

Yeah. I think you're hinting at

Final encounter of Wonders in the Weave 2:
the serpentfolk mummy (I should've spoilered that in my previous post)

But he's totally unrelated. No Aspis connection whatsoever.

Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

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Season 2:
That's totally not true. Season 2 is the Shadow Lodge. There are two scenarios where Osprey is involved, otherwise it's mostly Shadow Lodge and other random missions.
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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
But he's totally unrelated. No Aspis connection whatsoever.

Unfortunately yes.

Spoiler:
The start of a plot for nagas running the Aspis consortium would have been way more interesting than a dungeon that randomly has a completely unrelated serpent mummy at the end.

Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

Spoiler:

Osprey is an interesting character, but he's not the one causing fallout. Have you noticed how the goals and motivations of the Shadow Lodge are pretty much the same as those of the main antagonist of EOTT? Think they might be related? That is the fallout.

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Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten
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Eyes of the Ten fallout:
Correlation and causation. The villain of Eyes might have similar motives as the Shadow Lodge, but he didn't cause the Shadow Lodge to exist.
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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

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Chasm of Screams:
...is specifically dealing with EotT fallout.
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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Valley of the Veiled Flame:
We liberated the place, what's been happening there since that? Is that the canon?

Is that what we were supposed to do? I convinced my group to sign a contract with the BBEG that said they would not divulge anything on pain of losing their souls. I have the index card they all signed in my binder. My bad.

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I had a tough time feeling any urge to follow the intended story for that one, until I decided that my ifrit flame oracle had been disrespected and got the idea that he needed to eat the BBEGs heart to awaken his ancestral power. (The party assured him that it doesn't work like that later.)

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

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That's the one I mentioned. Osprey is so coy about it, he won't even directly say it's EoTT related. That's a shame, because it's a cool tie-in. You won't notice it unless you ran this yourself and know the background.

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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

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That's the one I mentioned. Osprey is so coy about it, he won't even directly say it's EoTT related. That's a shame, because it's a cool tie-in. You won't notice it unless you ran this yourself and know the background.

Fwiw, I think it's probably a good thing the events of Eyes aren't really referenced in lower level scenarios (except for Chasm of Screams, which doesn't tell how it ties into Eyes). I wouldn't want to see that series spoiled for people.

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Actually I see a lot of parallels in how All for Immortality and Eyes handled their plot threads. Both are very much wrapped up in the overall events of their entire seasons, but it is very much a game within the game kind of thing. If you play through the season you have 1 sort of take on events, but if your're in the know (aka a bigwig cause your character was high enough level) then you find out all of this other stuff that was really driving events behind the scenes.

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Mitch Mutrux wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

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That's the one I mentioned. Osprey is so coy about it, he won't even directly say it's EoTT related. That's a shame, because it's a cool tie-in. You won't notice it unless you ran this yourself and know the background.
Fwiw, I think it's probably a good thing the events of Eyes aren't really referenced in lower level scenarios (except for Chasm of Screams, which doesn't tell how it ties into Eyes). I wouldn't want to see that series spoiled for people.

Absolutely true, and that's what I meant. A followup will either confuse people who haven't played it, or spoil the storyline for them. Doesn't mean I don't want a followup, though. :P

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Oh, and one more serious one:

Sanctum of the Sages:

There was a possibility of getting Kafar and Nefti to turn on the Aspis and help the Society. They haven't shown up in any of the Season 7s I've played so far, so I'm guessing that didn't work out.

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Volume 5 of the Pathfinder Chronicles:
The Decemvirate recalled this volume and destroyed all circulating copies shortly after its publication. It is rumored to have contained details on the events leading to the final disappearance of Durvin Gest. The Repository of the Grand Lodge in Absalom holds the only known copy.

Waking Rune:
All those interested stoned creatures around the runes

Tomb of the Iron Medusa:
Taldor succession issues...

Skeleton Moon:
Adril Hestram is distraught by the news of his friend’s death and throws himself into studying the alchemist’s journal with the aim of organizing a second expedition to find Razma’s tomb.

Jeweled Sages:
A mysterious leader, an ancient organization dedicated to knoweldge. Why aren't we seeing more of this?

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D Hennessey wrote:

Oh, and one more serious one:

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They are referenced in a special, recruiting double agents.

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Minna Hiltula wrote:
RealAlchemy wrote:
Another one : can we go get the Bell of Obedience back? That one is personal for my gunslinger, since she died on the mission it was lost and spent all her prestige to get a raise dead. Whoever is responsible for that theft is getting a musket shot with vital strike and deadly aim to the face.
Based on a scenario I recently played, I think the Society has a fresh lead on that.

The most recent lead on that I saw was in

spoiler:
Library of the Lion
and it was kind of vague.
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In a couple of faction missions, there seemed to be a war brewing between Karela and some rakshasas. I don't think that was ever resolved.

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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Mitch Mutrux wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

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That's the one I mentioned. Osprey is so coy about it, he won't even directly say it's EoTT related. That's a shame, because it's a cool tie-in. You won't notice it unless you ran this yourself and know the background.
Fwiw, I think it's probably a good thing the events of Eyes aren't really referenced in lower level scenarios (except for Chasm of Screams, which doesn't tell how it ties into Eyes). I wouldn't want to see that series spoiled for people.
Absolutely true, and that's what I meant. A followup will either confuse people who haven't played it, or spoil the storyline for them. Doesn't mean I don't want a followup, though. :P

Gotcha. On that note, it might be neat to see possible future seeker-level content call back to Eyes, or a follow-up to Eyes.

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Belabras wrote:
Did we ever find out what happened with the artifact from the end of Among the Living? I can't remember if that was addressed in Among the Dead or not.
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Auke, I believe there was actually more than one option.

Among the Living:
You could either destroy the artifact or kill the cleric who was using it, Fel, in order to get out. I played this one, but haven't GMed it, so that's from my notes, not the text.

Among the Dead:
During the mission briefing, Drandle Dreng references the artifact "that now rests in the vaults below," which is kind of funny if the group destroyed it!

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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Kurald Galain wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten
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Spoiler:
I'm pretty sure we were told he was the leader of the Shadow Lodge by either Osprey or Eliza during EOTT. I know were got that info from somewhere.
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Jessex wrote:
Quentin Coldwater wrote:
Oh, and I'd like to see more of the fallout of the events of Eyes of the Ten

Spoiler:
I'm pretty sure we were told he was the leader of the Shadow Lodge by either Osprey or Eliza during EOTT. I know were got that info from somewhere.

Precisely. And that's why

Spoiler:
all of Season Two deals with the fallout of Eyes of the Ten. As a consequence, Destiny of the Sands and the Beacon Below still deal with that fallout. That's pretty cool actually.
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Jessex wrote:
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And that info was WRONG. :)

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I would also love to see more of:

1. The Gloomspires
2. Torch
3. Pasha Muhlia Al-Jakri
4. Ralzeros the Overwatched
5. Jistka
6. Valais Durant

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TOZ wrote:
Jessex wrote:
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And that info was WRONG. :)

Are you saying the Ten and their most trusted agents are wrong?

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Damn right.

Eyes of the Ten:
Adril isn't smart or charismatic enough to pull that off. The Spider is who put that plan together, and used him as a cats-paw to thin the ranks a bit in order to further the Shadow Lodge's plans.

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I feel like I'm the only one who isn't particularly interested in the Gloomspires.

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TOZ wrote:

Damn right.

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But you've got no basis for that.

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Nor do you have any basis for <redacted> being the leader of the Shadow Lodge. Every instance is separate cells acting out their own plan.

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Jessex wrote:
TOZ wrote:

Damn right.

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But you've got no basis for that.

Well their stats ARE listed...

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I think there might be a link between the Sun Orchid Scheme and the Skull & Shackles AP.

Skull & Shackles: The Price of Infamy:
"[Druvalia Thrune] knew (as did only a few others) that her great-uncle Ezaliah Thrune holds a special hatred for Hurricane King Kerdak Bonefist. As Ezaliah Thrune has grown older, he has twice attempted to secure a dose of the youth-restoring sun orchid elixir from Thuvia. But to date, both attempts to transport the elixir back home to the elderly Thrune have been waylaid by the Hurricane King’s agents. First, the ship transporting the elixir home was captured by Bonefist himself. The second time, Ezaliah’s attempt to simply have a loyal agent teleport back to Cheliax with the elixir failed when Bonefist’s own agents managed to magically compel that agent to instead teleport to the Shackles—leaving behind a taunting note for Ezaliah to fume over."

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TOZ wrote:

Damn right.

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Eyes spoliers:
Wait, AH, is clever enough organize a plot to off 3-5 members of the Ten, but not enough to organize the SL? That kind of seems like a stretch. Dude was a boor, but he still got people to follow him.
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His plot was stupid and you know it.

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At times, yes. But there were also some brilliant moments. But the idea that someone has to be incredibly brilliant or charismatic to organize a plot or start a hidden organization is a little shortsighted. Dumb people can be just as dangerous as smart people, if not more.

Eyes spoilers:
And besides, AH is an extremely experienced adventurer in good standing who happens to occupy a position of considerable power in the society with a lot of resources at his disposal.

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Eyes spoilers:
I did some looking around, and while AH's and the Shadow Lodge's motives are similar, there's no real proof the two are linked. Any theory connecting the two might be as viable as one that disproves it. Unless a developer outright states otherwise, I'm inclined to err on the side of caution and say it's untrue unless proven otherwise, but I can see how you can fall in the other camp.
Besides, Torch to me seems to be someone who isn't easily influenced by others. Most of what I've seen of him suggests he's a self-made individual who only listens to his own instincts, and I doubt someone could have planted the idea of becoming faction leader in his mind. But again, that's my interpretation, and I get why people would think otherwise.
Still, though, unless the connection is made by the developers, I think any similarity is just coincidence. They're good at foreshadowing, but all those hints eventually pay off in a scenario. I'd guess that would be somewhere in season 2, maybe season 3 with Rivalry's End (you'd think the Spider or Torch would've mentioned AH if that was the case), but since that hasn't happened yet, either they're playing the long game, or there simply isn't a connection.

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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
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Season Two spoilers:
The link between AH and GMT/The Shadow Lodge is in 2-26.
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Season 2:
I'm reading the scenario background, and I still don't see it. No mention of AH anywhere. Could you illuminate me?

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Just because GMT's gaining control of the SL is a consequence of that doesn't mean that GMT was in league with <redacted> the whole time, of course. We're talking fallout here, after all.

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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
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Spoiler:
Adril is definitely in the Shadow Lodge. The only question is whether he was the leader at the time of EOTT.
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On the subject of dangling plot threads.

Spoiler:
The Maze of the Open Road. You think a mystic hedge maze with an unklillable quasi-friendly medusa guardian on the grounds of a lodge might come in for further investigation at some point.

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Quentin Coldwater wrote:
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It's in one of the player handouts. Player handout 4.

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The Many Fortunes of GMT:

The follow up to this scenario is the season 1 Delirium's Tangle. There is just a loose connection. GMT calls in the favor from the end of MFoGMT so that a group of Pathfinders will search out a minotaur prince. Nothing more other than that.

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Mitch Mutrux wrote:
It's in one of the player handouts. Player handout 4.

Iiiiinteresting!

GMT:
That means that GMT started the Shadow Lodge well before anybody heard about it. He recruited both The Spider and AH for his plans. Then S + AH turned on him, tried to have him killed, and used GMT's network against the Decemvirate in EOTT. Although AH played his hand too quickly, it took GMT a lot of time manipulating the Pathfinders in order to get rid of S for him.

And a few years later, dude walks away with a friggin' Sage Jewel. I'm impressed; that's trickery on the level of Littlefinger. We definitely need a scenario to follow up on that!

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