Are there ways for non-druids to get this spell?
Or does perhaps any other class gain the spell?
Hunters, Shamans and Fey Trickster Mesmerists do, for starters.
Thanks! Mesmerist sounds really interesting there.
Sorcerer, bard or oracle would be even better if there was a way.
Or is there a way to gain it as a spell-like ability?
Thanks! Mesmerist sounds really interesting there.
Sorcerer, bard or oracle would be even better if there was a way.
Take a look at the Voice of the Wild Bard. They can get Flame Blade at 4th level.
Skalds can get it thru spell kenning if they pick up expanded spell kenning feat (allows choice from witch and druid lists too)
And then there's magic items. Wands, scrolls, a Rimeblade, Fire Goddess's Blade.
For that matter if some bard can cast it then a sorcerer should be able to use a ring of spell knowledge to copy it.
Edit: and bladebound maguses get something similar at 5th level with their black blade.
Shaman is probably the hands-down best Flame Blade user, since they can boost it with Weapon Specialization and Bane from the Battle Spirit, along with the usual Divine Favor/Power buffing. By the time you pick up Enemies' Bane at 8, you can be adding +3, +2, +2+2d6 quite easily. The biggest issue is that you need to reliably crush any spell resistance.
Witch Doctor Shaman or Life Spirit works very well with a level of Monk to grab Crusader's Flurry with scimitar; then you can take your heavily buffed Flame Blade and use flurry of blows with it. Sohei lets you flurry in mithral medium armor, or going Wisdom AC with Spirit Shield from Speaker for the Past works quite well defensively - Speaker for the Past also has Temporal Celerity, which is very good for making sure you're ready with your weapon.
There's always Samsaran to give it to any other divine spellcaster.
Shaman looks good, but is a WIS casting class.
Bard and Oracle win the race there for me, being 3/4 BAB and getting the spell early enough with the Sarenrae option.
Thanks a lot for the great ideas!
I think spell resistance could be taken care of with 2 feats and perhaps being a half-elf with elven spirit feat (which is better than the +2 on spell resistance checks since it does more, but stacks).
Also perhaps that trait for metamagic -1 level could be applied.
And of course using wepaon finesse seems like a pretty good option here too. As well as elemental spell^^
Good point.
Use a wand, UMD, and play a Ninja(for Vanishing Trick).
Sanctified Slayer of Sarenrae can cast Flame Blade and use Sneak, as well as having other bonuses like Bane.
As far as finesse goes, it's often accepted that it works with touch as it did in 3.5 since it's pretty obvious to do so, so ask the GM.
If you were using a standard touch spell, yes finesse would work.
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Given the latest FAQ, that may not be true. I'm not sure that I follow the reasoning, but a number of posters seem to think that the FAQ prohibits using Weapon Finesse for touch spells.
Given the latest FAQ, that may not be true. I'm not sure that I follow the reasoning, but a number of posters seem to think that the FAQ prohibits using Weapon Finesse for touch spells.If you were using a standard touch spell, yes finesse would work.
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But most of those people don't think that BAB from multiclassing should stack, so I would take their opinions with a pillar of salt.
But most of those people don't think that BAB from multiclassing should stack, so I would take their opinions with a pillar of salt.
Are you saying that if I have 3 levels in Rogue and 3 levels in Monk, that I should have +2 BAB?
Or are you saying that you should actually have +5 BAB?
Either way, the appropriate answer is +4 BAB per the actual rules, so...
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Magaambyan Arcanist gets to add druid spells to his spell book. This is a prestige class that pretty much requires Wizard to enter.
I want to find an optimized way to put sneak attack on Flame Blade. Ideas are welcome :-)
If you enter Magaambyan Arcanist, dip Rogue, Ninja or Snakebite Striker brawler for 1d6 sneak attack, take Accomplished Sneak Attacker feat to get to 2d6, then enter Arcane Trickster, you can sneak attack with flame blade and with produce flame, assuming you use Halcyon Magic to add those spells to your spell book, and you'll only lose one level of arcane caster progression. I may actually make this character.
If you were using a standard touch spell, yes finesse would work. But flame blade isn't a touch spell, it creates a scimitar out of flame. You make attacks with that scimitar that target touch AC, but it's not a touch spell.
Attacks with Flame Blade are explicitly 'melee touch attacks', regardless of whatever else is going on. I have zero interest in a debate about the minutiae of the rules system with touch attacks and armed unarmed and what the 'official' stance supposedly is. Wielding a weightless beam of energy that you touch attack with is logically at least as 'finessable' as a rapier or a punch or whatever, so asking a GM if you can finesse it isn't exactly unreasonable or lacking strong arguments.
I tend to agree with Imbicatus here because of the wording of the spell.
Therefore, dervish dance is kinda necessary to use it with weapon finesse. It´s also explicitly says STR does not apply to the attack, so DEX won´t apply either.
Sanctified Slayer is a pretty cool idea though Badbird! THX!
As I said, I'm not interested in arguing what the 'official' interpretation is; just what makes sense for a GM to rule. You can absolutely finesse a scimitar if it's an under-sized light weapon, because it's then light enough to finesse. Flame Blade is weightless. Ruling that a weightless beam of energy wielded as a scimitar that makes touch attacks can be finessed makes a ton of sense. That's all.
As I said, I'm not interested in arguing what the 'official' interpretation is; just what makes sense for a GM to rule. You can absolutely finesse a scimitar if it's an under-sized light weapon, because it's then light enough to finesse. Flame Blade is weightless. Ruling that a weightless beam of energy wielded as a scimitar that makes touch attacks can be finessed makes a ton of sense. That's all.
I might rule the same in any homegame, but it´s really not topic of the thread^^
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Magaambyan Arcanist gets to add druid spells to his spell book. This is a prestige class that pretty much requires Wizard to enter.
The Magaambyan Initiate Arcanist archetype is also a great way to enter Magaambyan Arcanist.
Yup i have been looking at that archetype as well, but for different reasons.
Here´s a question about the flame blade spell though:
"You wield this blade-like beam as if it were a scimitar."
Does that mean if you´re not proficient with scimitars, you get the -4 on attack rolls?
Yeah thought so, that´s actually a big thing for what i planned there, since you need yet another feat then.