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Why dont they have a half dwarf. I woul love to play one. They have half elf. Half orc. And even half drow.


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Even though it denies their existence, the Player Companion Bastards of Golarion tells you how to build one. Basically, build a new race for 9 race points and give it whatever combination of Dwarf and Human racial traits seems appropriate.


I'll have to look up in my 3rd party folder for the exact product when I get home, but I know there is at least 1 half-dwarf out there that has been provided.


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By any chance would you be referring to "Little Red Goblin Games—Racial Guide 2.5: Halfbreeds & Hybrids"? That one was a little too obviously based on the Dark Sun Mul.


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By the way -- an Oread with the Almost Human racial trait might be a pretty good approximation of a Half-Dwarf.


I was thinking Player's Option: Dwarves From 4 Wind Fantasy/Purple Duck

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Maybe...

Medium sized.

Speed: 30 feet.

+2 to one ability score of your choice.

Darkvision 60 feet

Hardy: Half-dwarves receive a +2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison, spells, and spell-like abilities.

Stability: Half-dwarves receive a +4 racial bonus to their Combat Maneuver Defense when resisting a bull rush or trip attempt while standing on the ground.

Toughness: Half-dwarves gain Toughness as a bonus feat.


Nothing else wants to copulate with a dwarf. That's the obvious reason


1) Sometimes you just cannot get there from your starting position. ie sometimes the races genetic sequences just do not mix and or the carrying race cannot bring the baby to term. (To get real crazy I guess you could make some spells like other games have done for this sort of thing but in general I do not think most PF games go this route)

2) If the GM says yes, go for it and have fun. Find some rules he and you like and smile as you play.

Sorry but the first think that came into my mind was what 1/2 do you want to play? Top half? Bottom half? Left half? or Right half?

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In Pathfinder, they say that Dwarves and humans aren't compatible that way...they just don't produce offspring.

Officially, it's because they don't want to water down the world with 1/2 everything and create endless amounts of combinations.

Unofficially, there have been enough suggestions and race guides to do it ourselves.

Personally, I prefer the D&D 2E version. There are no 1/2 dwarves... because the children inevitably are dwarves. They may be on the tall side of the dwarven heights... or have a strange color to their eyes... but mechanically, they were all dwarves.


jefffuller wrote:
Why dont they have a half dwarf. I would love to play one. They have half elf. Half orc. And even half drow.

Standard trope on dwarves is that they do not interbreed with other species both because they do not find them attractive and are not 'genetically' compatible, are largely infertile which is why the race is dwindling, and are largely xenophobic so do not 'entertain' non dwarves a lot.

Half drow and half elves are the same car with different options. Drow are just an offshoot elf race.

Orc originated from Tolkein for the most part as it applies to FRPG's and his orc's were actuially magically tortured and mutated elves. Since Elves were fertile with men so were orcs. And it just stuck.

There are many games that change these around. I remember there were tons of half dwarf breeds in the Arduin system and I think there were some half dwarf/half orc hybrids in Midnight to name a few off the top of my head.

That latter of those two btw the most hated race on the planet. Even among themselves.


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Half-halflings. It could get muddy.


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Weables wrote:
Nothing else wants to copulate with a dwarf. That's the obvious reason

By that reasoning, half-dwarves should still be more common than half-orcs.

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What about dwelfs?


The wide variety of half dwarfs in Arduin came about after a particularly vitriolic Gygaxian pronouncement that there will never be .... (Really bad panel interactions). Dave and Gary did not get along, I was in the "Take a troll to lunch camp."

A lot of people swore that the Dwelf came from Ken St. Andre, from the same panel, but he never copped to it, and it is such on obvious idea that I am sure it came first.


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What about dwelfs?

I think that may be a Rolemaster only thing.

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I remember there being an interpretation (obviously not PFRPG) that had gnomes be the representation of half dwarves.

Their sparce numbers, nomadic tendencies, and lack of a community comes from that.


David knott 242 wrote:
Weables wrote:
Nothing else wants to copulate with a dwarf. That's the obvious reason

By that reasoning, half-dwarves should still be more common than half-orcs.

Ehhhh orc's don't tend to care if something 'WANTS' to copulate... hence their higher number.


Check out the Muls from Dark Sun.

They also have Half-Giants...


Yeah. I can't see half-orcs being consensual offspring...

There were half-elf/half-halflings in some system i remember, +4 dex -2 con -2 str but 30ft movement. plus some other things


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Half-dwarves are everywhere.

Just that their other half is also dwarf.

(You humans always name species from your own point of view...)


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Dwarflings. Muddier, still.


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taks wrote:
Half-halflings. It could get muddy.

humans do not exists there are only dire halflings. so the result would be a normal halfling..... i think.


I think a 1/2 1/2-ling is a 1/4 ling. But what does a full ling look like?
Sorry very old joke in my group.

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One of my worlds has halflings, gnomes and dwarves as one 'species group' and interfertile with each other but not humans.

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