Con looks low. I do not like to have less than a 14.
Charisma seems high. you're not a mysterious stranger so you really don't need this.
kudos for the 14 int, you're a pathfinder you'll need the skillpoints.
If you're worried about weight would a darkleaf cloth studded leather armor cut the weight enough to ditch muscle of the society and pick up reactionary? Going first matters a lot on a gunslinger in PFs' herd of cats parties.
Any particular reason your Int and Charisma are as high as they are? Taking them down to 12 Int and 10 Charisma gets you a 14 Con, which will do wonders for your survivability. I'd at least shave off enough to get a 12 Con.
Otherwise, the stats look good.
Another option, which may not fit your vision, is to take your second level as a Far Strike Monk. That gets you +2 to all your saves (good for survivability), and Quick Draw and one other ranged feat for free. So at second level, you could have PBS, Precise Shot, Rapid Reload, and Quick Draw, and get Deadly Aim at level 3 to start boosting damage. Plus, the unarmored AC bonus means you can afford to dump Strength a little more to boost Dex or Wis.
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While a Gunslinger able to skimp on con, particularly on a musket master or long arm GS, I'd suggest a minimum of 12 (with toughness and some FCB) because:
1. You're going to earn the Ire of someone on the other side. You will hit easily, often and thanks to a x4 multiple on some weapons quite nastily. You will EARN attacks quite easily.
2. there will be THAT time when you are having to tank. The main melee guy will be out of spot/dead/dying/a rabbit or something will get to you or the guy you're beside. I personally am the only GS I know of in my PFS lodge who hasn't had to do it. And at 11th level, that surprised me to say it.
There ways to up your intimidate. (Maiden's mask if you have access to the Shattered Star AP) for example.
Just remember the first rule..
Have fun
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Well, a couple things here. First for the feats, point blank shot is actually one of those feats in a feat tree that isn't usually a feat tax. Gunslingers don't quite need the extra accuracy, but it never really hurts, and you're almost always going to be shooting from less than 30 feet unless you're a musket master, and it looks like you're going pistols. And even if you get precise shot for free, point blank shot is still a pre-req for rapid shot. So you'll likely want to take it as soon as you can. So personally, I would likely still take feats as such:
lvl 1 point blank shot, rapid reload
lvl 2 precise shot
lvl 3 rapid shot
lvl 5 deadly aim, quick draw
lvl 7 clustered shots
Then whatever you want after that. Improved critical is always nice on firearms though.
Second thing, if you're looking to trim weight, bucklers can be made of darkwood. It costs around 50 GP more, but weighs half as much. So I'd consider replacing the buckler before second level so you get the full price of the masterwork one back.
EDIT - Also, out of curiosity, are you planning on going mostly gunslinger levels, or taking the usual 5 levels and multiclassing into something else, like taking the other 6 in hunter?
I'd say rapid reload should be your first level feat, and maybe swap quick draw for point blank, since you will be within the distance, or rapid shot. Rapid shot would give you a huge damage boost at low levels.
edit: forgot rapid shot needs both point blank and rapid reload
Thanks for the tip about the darkwood buckler, I'm planning on doing just the 5 levels of gunslinger so I can add my dex to damage. I do plan on taking point blank shot at some point, and I may still grab it for one of my first level feats, but I decided against rapid reload at first level because it's weapon specific and I don't want to use up too many feats on something that limited at low levels, I want to get a double barrel pistol and use rapid reload for that, and I might take it again for a dragon pistol when I get one, but for now it would just use up a feat slot that could be used for something that would have more utility at low levels, I already use cartridges so my loading time is already down to a move action and that should be able to keep me shooting most...Well, a couple things here. First for the feats, point blank shot is actually one of those feats in a feat tree that isn't usually a feat tax. Gunslingers don't quite need the extra accuracy, but it never really hurts, and you're almost always going to be shooting from less than 30 feet unless you're a musket master, and it looks like you're going pistols. And even if you get precise shot for free, point blank shot is still a pre-req for rapid shot. So you'll likely want to take it as soon as you can. So personally, I would likely still take feats as such:
lvl 1 point blank shot, rapid reload
lvl 2 precise shot
lvl 3 rapid shot
lvl 5 deadly aim, quick draw
lvl 7 clustered shotsThen whatever you want after that. Improved critical is always nice on firearms though.
Second thing, if you're looking to trim weight, bucklers can be made of darkwood. It costs around 50 GP more, but weighs half as much. So I'd consider replacing the buckler before second level so you get the full price of the masterwork one back.
EDIT - Also, out of curiosity, are you planning on going mostly gunslinger levels, or taking the usual 5 levels and multiclassing into something else, like taking the other 6 in hunter?
I wasn't aware buckler's could be darkwood, I thought you were stuck with mithral for them, that is good to know.
I take it your plan is to build for firing both barrels for every attack then? if this is your plan I'd be prepared for your GMs to not allow it. RAW it should work, there is that text under free actions saying "there may be a limit to the number of free actions you can preform in a round." Regardless you'd get a nice opening salvo out of it.
If that's the route you want to go I say go for it, but get your double barreled pistol, rapid reload soonest. You should be able to get the double barreled pistol by level three so this should work
lvl 1 point blank shot, deadly aim
lvl 2 precise shot
lvl 3 rapid reload
lvl 5 rapid shot, quick draw
lvl 7 clustered shots
if you're looking to trim weight, bucklers can be made of darkwood. It costs around 50 GP more, but weighs half as much. So I'd consider replacing the buckler before second level so you get the full price of the masterwork one back.I just looked up the Darkwood buckler and it's not actually a buckler, it's a light wooden sheild so I wouldn't be considered having a hand free to reload with, but thanks for the suggestion anyway.
light shield: You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand. A light shield's weight lets you carry other items in that hand, although you cannot use weapons with it. (emphasis mine)
You might be able to get away with reloading with it from that text, but be prepared for someone to say no.
*puts a garbage can lid on their arm and tries to reload a musket*
Yeah i'm gonna say no...
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I just looked up the Darkwood buckler and it's not actually a buckler, it's a light wooden sheild so I wouldn't be considered having a hand free to reload with, but thanks for the suggestion anyway.
Huh, you know I brought this up the first time I saw that. Talked to a number of PFS GMs, who all ruled it as a buckler, despite what the description text said. One even showed me in the Gamemastery Guide where it says that bucklers can be made out of wood or metal. Considered the issue solved. But googling it, looks like there's quite a bit of contention still, so maybe stick to masterwork or mithral, just to avoid table variation.
I've only seen gunslingers use grit for quick clear. I'm a PFS gm and have had little over a dozen sessions with a gunslinger in it. So not the largest sample, but it's my experience with the class.
*puts a garbage can lid on their arm and tries to reload a musket*
Yeah i'm gonna say no...
If you are able to hold an object in that hand you would certainly be able to hold a musket and stabilize it while you loaded it with your shooting hand, which is the typical procedure. You wouldn't be able to shoot a musket with a shield on your arm though.
I've only seen gunslingers use grit for quick clear. I'm a PFS gm and have had little over a dozen sessions with a gunslinger in it. So not the largest sample, but it's my experience with the class.I see, I've used the up close and deadly deed a couple of times, I was just curious how others manage their grit to make sure they always have some available for emergency uses like quick clear
I like having at least three grit points, it let's you use one to start with so you have an opening of you crit or kill shot, and two in reserve for the if you have one point deeds and for quick clear.
Personal recommendation is you can put off rapid reload for a while. Just use alchemical cartridges. Between gunsmithing they are a far better deal than buying the bullets and powder too anyway.
Something like
1 PBS Deadly Aim
2 Precise Shot
3 ???
4
5 Rapid Reload, Rapid Shot
That 3rd level feat could really be anything.
At the early levels abundant ammunition would help greatly, assuming it works with paper cartridges.
Hunter's howl, longshot, and longstrider could be useful.
edit, hunters don't get favored enemy.
being used as ammunition for something does not make it "ammunition"
being used as ammunition for something does not make it "ammunition"Not really sure what you mean by this, especially since I doubt anyone would classify firearm bullets and cartridges as anything other than ammunition. At any rate the way I understand the spell it wouldn't work for the cartridges, and because of the discount Gunslingers get on ammo it doesn't matter all that much anyway
It definitely is ammunition, it is classified that way in ultimate combat and ultimate equipment. It even goes so far as to differentiate it from other types of ammunition in respect to retrieval.
It's also not magical, so abundant ammunition should work.I put the assumption in there because some GMs might not see it that way. Even with the discount alchemical cartridges are expensive, so at early levels this would be huge.
Ammunition: Firearm ammunition takes two forms: either black powder and shot (either bullets or pellets) or cartridges. Unlike other types of ammunition, firearm ammunition is destroyed when it is used, and has no chance of being retrieved on a miss. No part of a cartridge can be reused to create new cartridges. Firearm ammunition cannot be treated with poison, unless you are using a pitted bullet.
I'm sorry, I got my threads mixed up. I was thinking this was the thread about splash weapon launcher and how the splash weapons were ammunition for that weapon. You all are correct. Carry on.
It definitely is ammunition, it is classified that way in ultimate combat and ultimate equipment. It even goes so far as to differentiate it from other types of ammunition in respect to retrieval.
It's also not magical, so abundant ammunition should work.
I put the assumption in there because some GMs might not see it that way. Even with the discount alchemical cartridges are expensive, so at early levels this would be huge.Ammunition: Firearm ammunition takes two forms: either black powder and shot (either bullets or pellets) or cartridges. Unlike other types of ammunition, firearm ammunition is destroyed when it is used, and has no chance of being retrieved on a miss. No part of a cartridge can be reused to create new cartridges. Firearm ammunition cannot be treated with poison, unless you are using a pitted bullet.While they aren't magical they are listed in Ultimate Combat specifically as "alchemical cartridges" which still conflicts with abundant ammunition
When cast on a container such as a quiver or a pouch that contains nonmagical ammunition or shuriken, (including masterwork ammunition or shuriken, but not special materials, alchemical attributes, or nonmagical treatments on the ammunition), at the start of each round this spell replaces any ammunition taken from the container the round before. The ammunition taken from the container the round before vanishes. If, after casting this spell, you cast a spell that enhances projectiles, such as align weapon or greater magic weapon, on the same container, all projectiles this spell conjures are affected by that spell.(Emphasis mine)
Even though paper cartridges don't have any special alchemical effects beyond improving reload speed I'd assume they would be treated the same. And even with special material cartridges still costing a lot of gold even with the 50% off individual bullets would only cost 10% so I could use loose bullets and...
You're right, I went by an old version of the spell that didn't include that wording, and just stopped after "including shuriuken" rather than the errata version in the PRD.
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And I'm not sure how to price Silver ammo because Ultimate Combat lists loose Silver Bullets at 25 gold (before discount) but Ultimate Equipment lists Alchemical Silver as adding 2 gold to the cost of the ammo
Read the description. A loose "Silver Bullet" (a bullet made entirely of silver) auto confirms Crits against lycanthropes and presumably bypasses DR, though the description doesn't expressly say so. An alchemically treated bullet (not entirely made of silver) only bypasses DR. They are two different types of ammunition. That's the difference in price.