Core Races

[Luthorne]

Dragon78 wrote:

Actually it has never been confirmed that Elves originated from Castrovel though they would like to think they did.

Which is why I said it's heavily implied, not confirmed.

Dragon78 wrote:

It would interesting if they could have living Eoxians like how they were before most of them become undead or degenerate living creatures.

Eoxians use human stats except they have a +4Int -4Con.

I think eoxians are more interesting as liches. There are still some living eoxians that the liches keep alive for amusement, so it's possible, but I don't think they're that interesting as a race. Also, like I said, racial ability scores could be modified, and frankly, I think a race with a +4 bonus or a -4 penalty is on the unbalanced side to have included as a core race.

[Imbicatus]

Also, while Golarion is gone, not everything associated with it needs to be. It's possible the Hao Jin Tapestry may be sitting in a storage locker on Absalom Station.

[DJEternalDarkness]

I would love to see an ameboid based life (like the Dralasites from Star Frontiers) and gengenered humans.

[GreyWolfLord]

I want Robots!

If it's sci-fi, they should allow Robots as a race.

[Richard Redmane]

Honestly I can't think of any that come to mind that haven't already been spoken for. Robots exist as Androids, the flavor text implies that a couple of the races from the advanced rule book are now core like the Ratfolk... I honestly don't know, Maybe some sort of engineer species (not dwarves) that managed to erect a grand utopian society, lose it, and are now questing to rebuild it?

[Kobold Catgirl]

Grond wrote:

Call me crazy but I want to see the same core races in Pathfinder plus some new races. People are fine with humans in the future

Well, I mean, I'm not ecstatic about it.

I'm kind of curious what's happened to the Pathfinder Society, honestly. Have they become an information network? Did they sell out and turn into a publishing house? Will all our PCs be watching Pathfinder Broadcasting, or getting their internet connections from Pathfinder Communications?

[Lord Fyre]

Richard Redmane wrote:

Maybe some sort of engineer species (not dwarves) that managed to erect a grand utopian society, lose it, and are now questing to rebuild it?

Are you referring to Kobolds?

[Goddity]

Slithery D wrote:

Goddity wrote:

Carbosilicate amorphs.

Gesundheit!

Oh sorry. Let me try again.

Carbosilicate amorphs.

[Hmm]

Torbyne wrote:

Hmm, Human, Android, Lashunta, Ratfolk...

Hey, I'm a new core race! Hmm -- a race created entirely of librarian bard clones.

Awesome.

Hmm

[Cole Deschain]

Humans, Androids, Ratfolk, Lashunta, Space Goblins, Space Goblins On Speed, and Space Goblins Some Fool Gave Phenomenal Cosmic Powers...

No?

Well, I WOULD like to see Goblins as the Little Green Men, but three alternates:

Some sort of sentient gas or nanite cloud
A callback to the Horta- mineral-based non-humanoid species
Something with tentacles.

[Richard Redmane]

Lord Fyre wrote:

Richard Redmane wrote:

Maybe some sort of engineer species (not dwarves) that managed to erect a grand utopian society, lose it, and are now questing to rebuild it?

Are you referring to Kobolds?

I confess I'm kind of late to the party (only picked up my copy of the core rules a month or two ago) and I'm still catching up on the lore but... *does some quick reading* No, doesn't sound like it. I was thinking more along the lines of an entirely new species that had risen and fallen with most of their racial abilities referring to faded glories. Sort of like the Commonwealth from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda except only one species. Admittedly that sounds too generic for a single race now that I think about it...

[DoomOtter]

The only race in pathfinder that I would want to be core is kitsune, but I can almost guarantee that they will not make the cut. Besides I would be more interested in new alien races than the same old ones from pathfinder.

[GreyWolfLord]

Well, if Androids will qualify as Robots (I was thinking, more like, robot robots...as in, things like R2D2, or Doctor Hower [sp?], things that might not actually look humanoid)....

Then Wookies (we all know what the Yazirian were...)...

WE need the Wookies...

And the Vulcans...

The thri-Keen (or are they called Vrusk?)...

And I think we should include something like mind-flayers...just they'd have to be called something else...afterall...what's more spacelike than Cthulu! and the Great Old Ones!!!!

[Lord Fyre]

Richard Redmane wrote:

Lord Fyre wrote:

Richard Redmane wrote:

Maybe some sort of engineer species (not dwarves) that managed to erect a grand utopian society, lose it, and are now questing to rebuild it?

Are you referring to Kobolds?

I confess I'm kind of late to the party (only picked up my copy of the core rules a month or two ago) and I'm still catching up on the lore but... *does some quick reading* No, doesn't sound like it. I was thinking more along the lines of an entirely new species that had risen and fallen with most of their racial abilities referring to faded glories. Sort of like the Commonwealth from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda except only one species. Admittedly that sounds too generic for a single race now that I think about it...

Because you are relatively new, you wouldn't get the long running gag about kobolds in Pathfinder. ;)

[Rathendar]

Thri-Kreen (Vrusk) and an Ooze Type race (Dralasite).

*nods*

[prosfilaes]

RainyDayNinja wrote:

I actually wrote a short medical mystery novel with an ammonia-based lifeform as a patient. They used sulfur (which is surprisingly soluble in ammonia!) for respiration instead of oxygen, and so didn't actually need to breath. Tissue was polythiazyl-based instead of carbon-based.

Under what name and title?

[Gip]

Michael Monn wrote:

I want space goblins as core.

Gip, Mighteist of Space Pirates™, endorses this choice!

[jmberaldo]

You know what we need?

We need Space Flumph as a core race

You know you want it

[Ambrosia Slaad]

DoomOtter wrote:

The only race in pathfinder that I would want to be core is kitsune, but I can almost guarantee that they will not make the cut.

"Do a barrel roll!"

C'mon, someone please let Augunas do Kitsunes... In... Space!

[Ambrosia Slaad]

DJEternalDarkness wrote:

I would love to see an ameboid based life (like the Dralasites from Star Frontiers)...

Maybe like the plasmoids from 2e Spelljammer?

jmberaldo wrote:

You know what we need?

We need Space Flumph as a core race

You know you want it

Well, LRGG's Halfbreeds & Hybrids had the halfing/flumph PC race, the awesome ziphryns. Bonus: The ziphryns were designed by Mikaze!

[Dragon78]

I would love a insect race, ooze race, wookie-like race, and friendly grey-like race. But I doubt any of them will be core.

I really want to know what the two arkenan races will look like. I am hoping the centaur-like one will be playable.

I hope there will be a race of good-looking green skin human-like people.

I wonder what kinds of new races we will see from outside of the Golarion solar system.

[Luthorne]

Though speaking of green skinned people, I realized I would also like there to be a race of plant people as a core race. Though now I'm wondering if they'll take the time to clean up the creature types...though that might interfere with running monsters from the bestiaries.

I personally think I prefer the grays as they are in Bestiary 5, though.

[Dragon78]

I said gray-like not the grays themselves. In fact a small size big eyed, big headed, small bodied grey skinned aliens would be cool.

Grays and reptoids would make great villain races.

I would love a medium or small size version of the Trox.

[Amani Zultiras]

I'd like the Ghoran (or some sort of plant based race), as well as a crustacean race, some exotic near-human alien races, and something along the lines of Predator or the Trandoshans, some sort of race/culture that hunts dangerous prey/game for sport and glory.

[Kobold Catgirl]

Vegepygmies have always been close to playable, really. A powered-down equivalent could work.

[Richard Redmane]

Lord Fyre wrote:

Richard Redmane wrote:

Lord Fyre wrote:

Richard Redmane wrote:

Maybe some sort of engineer species (not dwarves) that managed to erect a grand utopian society, lose it, and are now questing to rebuild it?

Are you referring to Kobolds?

I confess I'm kind of late to the party (only picked up my copy of the core rules a month or two ago) and I'm still catching up on the lore but... *does some quick reading* No, doesn't sound like it. I was thinking more along the lines of an entirely new species that had risen and fallen with most of their racial abilities referring to faded glories. Sort of like the Commonwealth from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda except only one species. Admittedly that sounds too generic for a single race now that I think about it...

Because you are relatively new, you wouldn't get the long running gag about kobolds in Pathfinder. ;)

No but I imagine it either has something to do with their relatively low canon status in the Pathfinder verse or something to do with Tucker's Kobolds (required reading for any GM/DM, period.)

Back to the OP though... well as someone else pointed out early, a species with a non-humanoid physiology (two arms, two legs, a head, and a torso) or special environmental considerations (aquatic, exists in a toxic atmosphere to oxygen breathers) is automatically out for the core races. As I read more about them I find myself liking the "beast folk" races of Pathfinder but that's simply because quality over quantity, quality over quantity. If they add more for Starfinder, I'd like them to limit themselves to producing one or two good ones.

Personally I'm against adding or referencing anything from Spelljammer but that's because Spelljammer is pure fantasy (and appears to be at a level of fantasy I generally don't enjoy) and Starfinder looks like a mix similar to Dragonstar or Shadowrun.

[dragonhunterq]

Anthropomorphic intelligent giant space hamsters...

...maybe not

[Luthorne]

Richard Redmane wrote:

Back to the OP though... well as someone else pointed out early, a species with a non-humanoid physiology (two arms, two legs, a head, and a torso) or special environmental considerations (aquatic, exists in a toxic atmosphere to oxygen breathers) is automatically out for the core races. As I read more about them I find myself liking the "beast folk" races of Pathfinder but that's simply because quality over quantity, quality over quantity. If they add more for Starfinder, I'd like them to limit themselves to producing one or two good ones.

Personally I'm against adding or referencing anything from Spelljammer but that's because Spelljammer is pure fantasy (and appears to be at a level of fantasy I generally don't enjoy) and Starfinder looks like a mix similar to Dragonstar or Shadowrun.

Well, according to someone who was actually at the PaizoCon announcement (see here, at least one race isn't going to be the traditional humanoid model. Which seems to suggest that there will be at least one race with a non-humanoid physiology, though I personally suspect that a tauric setup is more likely, since they would still have two arms, and the legs might not be too difficult to manage as long as they specify what the differences are right from the beginning.

Similarly, I think special environmental considerations may not necessarily automatically be out; it depends what the default equipment is going to be. Remember that this game is likely going to involve hopping between multiple planets as well as potentially living on a spaceship...under such a situation, one might well imagine an environmental suit as a default piece of gear, letting PCs deal with planets that have hostile atmospheres, getting out into space for at least a short period of time when there's a crisis, or mechanical failures on board the spaceship. Of course, it may not be, but it seems likely that that's going to be considered a much more basic hazard than it is in Pathfinder, and thus environmental suits may be a default. If they are, it makes very little difference if someone needs special environmental considerations...their environmental suit is just a bit different than the default one.

[Lord Fyre]

Richard Redmane wrote:

Lord Fyre wrote:

Richard Redmane wrote:

Lord Fyre wrote:

Richard Redmane wrote:

Maybe some sort of engineer species (not dwarves) that managed to erect a grand utopian society, lose it, and are now questing to rebuild it?

Are you referring to Kobolds?

I confess I'm kind of late to the party (only picked up my copy of the core rules a month or two ago) and I'm still catching up on the lore but... *does some quick reading* No, doesn't sound like it. I was thinking more along the lines of an entirely new species that had risen and fallen with most of their racial abilities referring to faded glories. Sort of like the Commonwealth from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda except only one species. Admittedly that sounds too generic for a single race now that I think about it...

Because you are relatively new, you wouldn't get the long running gag about kobolds in Pathfinder. ;)

No but I imagine it either has something to do with their relatively low canon status in the Pathfinder verse or something to do with Tucker's Kobolds (required reading for any GM/DM, period.)

Not just Pathfinder.

[1d4 Goblin Babies]

dragonhunterq wrote:

Anthropomorphic intelligent giant space hamsters...

...maybe not

1d4 ⇒ 2 goblin babies would like to know if you'd settle for adolescent radioactive black belt (miniature giant) hamsters?

[Dragon78]

Would love an alien plant race and I wonder if the Ghoran has evolved any more since it's days on Golarion.

Could also use a playable aberration, ooze, and another monstrous humanoid.

[Odraude]

plant race and ooze race would be awesome. Or maybe a plant ooze race. Mold people!

[Ambrosia Slaad]

FYI, for those looking for a plant-based race in their Starfinder, keep an eye out when the Aethera Campaign Setting (previewed here) debuts. The plant-based erahthi core race will likely scratch your itch, although referring them as simply plant-based doesn't do justice to their rich cultural characterization and game options.

[Odraude]

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

FYI, for those looking for a plant-based race in their Starfinder, keep an eye out when the Aethera Campaign Setting (previewed here) debuts. The plant-based erahthi core race will likely scratch your itch, although referring them as simply plant-based doesn't do justice to their rich cultural characterization and game options.

Looks cool. When is the main edition coming out?

[Isabelle Lee]

Odraude wrote:

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

FYI, for those looking for a plant-based race in their Starfinder, keep an eye out when the Aethera Campaign Setting (previewed here) debuts. The plant-based erahthi core race will likely scratch your itch, although referring them as simply plant-based doesn't do justice to their rich cultural characterization and game options.

Looks cool. When is the main edition coming out?

Still up in the air - the announcement of Starfinder was a pretty big game-changer. ^_^

[pulseoptional]

I find myself hoping for different classifications on Androids, similar to how Eberron did with the Warforged. Give me one that's more scout based (Small sized, whatever other nonsense,) then give me a dreadnought style that's just meant to tear through everything. Also, changeable parts.

No, I don't have the idea of a small scout type with wheels instead of feet in mind, with the intent to play Claptrap....

[Dragon78]

Alternate racial mods would be cool as well.

Androids are built so you could easily explain different types like warrior model(+2Str +2Wis -2Cha), pleasure model(+2Con +2Cha -2Wis), learning model(+2Int +2Wis -2Cha), etc.

Lashunta
female +2Int +2Cha -2Str
male +2Str +2Int -2Cha

[Ambrosia Slaad]

Dragon78 wrote:

Alternate racial mods would be cool as well.

Androids are built so you could easily explain different types like warrior model(+2Str +2Wis -2Cha), pleasure model(+2Con +2Cha -2Wis), learning model(+2Int +2Wis -2Cha), etc.

(Not to pick on you specifically, but I think the pleasure model idea is a bit creepy.)

The androids have active nanite cultures/hives, so what if they could take a feat/feat tree to teach their nanites to reconfigure their racial attribute bonuses as needed 1/day or something?

[Dragon78]

Fine we will call the pleasure models "entertainment models", or maybe "dance hall managers".

[Ambrosia Slaad]

Dragon78 wrote:

Fine we will call the pleasure models "entertainment models", or maybe "dance hall managers".

My objection isn't about the name, or even the profession. I'm bothered by the idea that a line/subrace of sentient, thinking, & feeling lifeforms with souls would be designed for the primary purpose of "pleasuring" others.

Edit: I'm not trying to pick a fight, honest. I just wanted to express a dissenting opinion on the chosen flavor/fluff for the mechanic.

[Odraude]

Honestly given examples in both sci fi (Jude Law's character in A.I.) and human nature, I'd be surprised if there wasn't robots made for entertainment.

Course this leads to robot rights activists fighting to free them, which always adds interesting adventures. But it's admittedly a more mature topic than some are used to.

[Ambrosia Slaad]

Odraude wrote:

Honestly given examples in both sci fi (Jude Law's character in A.I.) and human nature, I'd be surprised if there wasn't robots made for entertainment.

Course this leads to robot rights activists fighting to free them, which always adds interesting adventures. But it's admittedly a more mature topic than some are used to.

Right, and I agree. But in Pathfinder at least, there is a difference between a soulless, programmed animate object or construct "companion" and an ensouled free-willed android designed to be "companion". That's all I'm (trying) to say.

[Odraude]

Maybe then they could be diplomat bots

[Dragon78]

They already have stats for robots that do that kind of "stuff" in pathfinder but we are not talking about robots.. Now that corporations have the ability to create androids then I can see them having different types. Besides corporations are evil, well the successful ones anyway.

I wonder if the races will be the same as the pathfinder ones or will they be modified for the setting.

[Ed Reppert]

Are they successful because they're evil, or evil because they're successful?

[Samy]

Is this really the place for discussion on why or why not corporations are evil?

[Odraude]

Corporations are now a playable race lol

[Kobold Catgirl]

Hell yes, I will play the sentient android embodiment of Subway in the distant Pathfinder future.

Eat fresh!

[Gark the Goblin]

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

Odraude wrote:

Honestly given examples in both sci fi (Jude Law's character in A.I.) and human nature, I'd be surprised if there wasn't robots made for entertainment.

Course this leads to robot rights activists fighting to free them, which always adds interesting adventures. But it's admittedly a more mature topic than some are used to.

Right, and I agree. But in Pathfinder at least, there is a difference between a soulless, programmed animate object or construct "companion" and an ensouled free-willed android designed to be "companion". That's all I'm (trying) to say.

So what you're saying is, the Paizo golem is not a playable character.

[Lord Fyre]

Gark the Goblin wrote:

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

Odraude wrote:

Honestly given examples in both sci fi (Jude Law's character in A.I.) and human nature, I'd be surprised if there wasn't robots made for entertainment.

Course this leads to robot rights activists fighting to free them, which always adds interesting adventures. But it's admittedly a more mature topic than some are used to.

Right, and I agree. But in Pathfinder at least, there is a difference between a soulless, programmed animate object or construct "companion" and an ensouled free-willed android designed to be "companion". That's all I'm (trying) to say.

So what you're saying is, the Paizo golem is not a playable character.

It is way overpowered!