In addition. Nobody that actually had charisma 18+ would be so crass as to claim they did. Zak Brannigan is not charismatic, though he clearly thinks he is.
Anybody who claims they are less than 10 Charisama is at least 2 higher than they say are because modesty is endearing.
Lastly anyone who doesn't post their stats at all probably has a wisdom of 14+
And I really don't know of that many people who can carry around ~60lbs (~27kg) without any penalties to movement and such.Really? I've known like, dozens of people who could do that. Heck, I knew a guy who could do a one arm pushups with multiple large guys on his back and this person was heavy. Like, very much fat, but also with muscles under it all. If you talk to lifters at all, even casual ones, they wouldn't bat an eye at that much weight spread out along their body.
I think 60-100 pounds is a typical infantryman kit (and has been for centuries). I'd not be surprised if the strongest guy in the platoon could carry that kind of weight and not notice it, since, well,... that's what he's expected to do.
LG Human Cleric 1st (Good, Protection)
This is what I test out as whenever I take a survey.
Str: 13 (I have always been strong without trying)
Dex: 9 (I don't have good aim)
Con: 14 (I don't get sick often, and I have worked 12 hour physical jobs)
Int: 13 (I learn quickly, but not amazing by worldly standards)
Wis: 14 (I understand others well, others feel safe talking to me)
Cha: 13 (I am well like, and often work conversations towards peaceful ends)
Skills
5 Craft (carpentry) (I can build cool things)
5 Diplomacy (People like me)
6 Heal (red cross certified trainer)
5 Knowledge (arcana) (I know a lot of odd facts about weird stuff)
5 Knowledge (religion) (I read up on beliefs of many faiths)
6 Profession (clerk) (I am a supervisor, of others that do this type of work)
Feats
Improved Channel (Have seen some creepy things stop when I pray.)
Combat Expertise (Sadly not great for a cleric but I disarm, and trip often enough when fighting that this is a must.)
But then again, then you're THAT guy. If you're that guy, I'm okay with an estimation of a STR score of 15-18 somewhere. But as long as you're not that guy... well then you're not that guy.
Yes, but Deadmanwalking is also THAT guy, at least as far as intelligence is concerned. I did the math upthread -- if he's not lying about his 138 IQ score, he's got the highest score not just in the platoon, but likely in the entire company. Coffee Demon put himself in a similar range (134-136). DungeonMaster Cal put his at about 145. The Pale King puts himself at 150, which is a one-person-in-two-thousand kind of score, so he's THAT guy for the entire battalion, possible the whole damn brigade.
But, as I said earlier, I don't find this surprising. I expect to see the guys on the football team being substantially bigger and stronger than average. Ashiel pointed out that TTRPGs have been associated with high intelligence for as long as people have been doing real stats on them, so of course in a group of high-intelligence nerds, there is going to be an overrepresentation of really highly intelligent people.
I'd expect to see the same thing in a freshman chemistry class at Berkeley. Almost everyone who got in to Berkeley did so by being the smartest person in the room back in high school -- which means the smartest person in the Berkeley classroom is probably THAT person.
Here's one thing I find interesting about Str in particular: It's not fixed.
I'm 6' tall, somewhat stocky, and a very fat 280lbs. I figure my strength is 10 based on the following: I'm stronger than almost any woman I've met, I'm easily stronger than my 17 years old son, and I have heft 50lbs without much difficulty.
BUT if I undertook a serious strength training regimen, my strength would be 12 in two months, and probably 14 in six to nine months.
Con is the same way, though to a lesser extent.
Hell, Int is probably the hardest stat to change. Wisdom comes with age, and I can exercise to increase Str, Con, and Dex. I can make a conscious effort to be nicer to people, or just come to empathize more with them and therefore treat them better. But there's not that much I can do to make myself smarter. More knowledgeable? Sure. But not smarter.
And for the record, high Int isn't all that great. I'm someplace north of 130 (though honestly probably not very far), and I can tell you that, in Corporate America at least, intelligence is roughly as useful as a bucket of steaming hamster vomit. Actually less so, because you could dump out the vomit and be left with a perfectly good, albeit dirty, bucket. :P
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Commoner 1
STR 4
DEX 6
CON 8
INT 8
WIS 6
CHA 4Profession (linguist) +2
I'm not sure I'm buying it. No one with a Wis of 6 would have such a firm grasp of their own limitations. ;-)
I suppose I should clarify what I mean when I say Int is useless in Corporate America. For some jobs, it is necessary, but not sufficient, if you wish to do well. No one with an IQ of 75 is going to excel in, say, financial accounting or product engineering. Marketing or management, however, and all bets are off. ;-)
In any case, things like drive, charisma, and the ability to read a social situation and position oneself accordingly seem far more important than intelligence when it comes to climbing the corporate ladder. Hell, sometimes self confidence, warranted or not, is the most important factor. YMMV.
All it requires is basic math...And reading the thousand pages of rules to understand what's going on.a lot of reasons why someone might not read well, but not being smart enough to is certainly one of them), you can see that the writing of the CRB is a strong barrier to participation in PF....
Most people don't learn the game that way, though... They start playing with someone who knows the rules at least somewhat well and learn through play. And that's much faster and easier.
I started a group about 6 months ago and none of my players ever opened a Pathfinder book. I helped them make their characters based on concept, rather than class names. I gave them quick rundowns of each class and what they can accomplish... And they chose based on that.
I'm honest with them and whenever I make a houserule, I tell them what's the original rule like, what are my changes and the reasoning behind them... But if I really wanted I could make up every rule and they'd be none the wiser.
My other group, of veteran RPG players, has 2 or 3 guys who only started reading through Pathfinder books after they had been playing for months, because they wanted to check new builds, feats, spells, etc. They learned pretty much every rule during gameplay.
This is how it happened to me as well, when I started playing RPGs... My brother taught us everything during play and we learned step by step... A similar tale is told by most other RPG players I know.
Throwing the CRB at someone and demanding they read and learn all the rules by the time the first gaming session comes up is a good way to make sure that someone won't play the game.
I suppose I should clarify what I mean when I say Int is useless in Corporate America. For some jobs, it is necessary, but not sufficient, if you wish to do well. No one with an IQ of 75 is going to excel in, say, financial accounting or product engineering. Marketing or management, however, and all bets are off. ;-)
In any case, things like drive, charisma, and the ability to read a social situation and position oneself accordingly seem far more important than intelligence when it comes to climbing the corporate ladder. Hell, sometimes self confidence, warranted or not, is the most important factor. YMMV.
Almost all jobs today are MAD.
The reason for this is that the SAD jobs, by and large, have been automated away. There's no job requiring only Strength that can't be done better, faster, and cheaper by machinery, and of course machines have unlimited stamina and hence will beat any human at the Constitution department. There used to be jobs moving heavy things on and off ships. Today that's all done by cranes. Even Intelligence, untempered by common sense or social skills, is pretty valueless because those are the jobs that computers have been used for since the 1950s.
(Did you know that "computer" used to be a job? A "computer" was a person that you would hand complicated math problems to, like adding up a column of numbers. They didn't have to understand the actual problem they were doing, or why they were extracting square roots of strange numbers. So they were essentially human adding machines and/or calculators. Now, of course, I have a calculator for those tasks and it cost me less to buy the calculator than it would take to pay an hour's salary to a human.)
Almost all jobs today are MAD.
The reason for this is that the SAD jobs, by and large, have been automated away. There's no job requiring only Strength that can't be done better, faster, and cheaper by machinery, and of course machines have unlimited stamina and hence will beat any human at the Constitution department. Even Intelligence, untempered by common sense or social skills, is pretty valueless because those are the jobs that computers have been used for since the 1950s.
(Did you know that "computer" used to be a job? A "computer" was a person that you would hand complicated math problems to, like adding up a column of numbers. They didn't have to understand the actual problem they were doing, or why they were extracting square roots of strange numbers. So they were essentially human adding machines and/or calculators. Now, of course, I have a calculator for those tasks and it cost me less to buy the calculator than it would take to pay an hour's salary to a human.)
Not saying you're wrong, but I'd draw a clear distinction between being effective and getting promoted. Personally, I think CHA is probably the most important stat for the latter. Since I have the charisma of a burning, venomous cactus...
P.S. Thanks for not misspelling "column." :P
Not saying you're wrong, but I'd draw a clear distinction between being effective and getting promoted. Personally, I think CHA is probably the most important stat for the latter.Almost all jobs today are MAD.
The reason for this is that the SAD jobs, by and large, have been automated away. There's no job requiring only Strength that can't be done better, faster, and cheaper by machinery, and of course machines have unlimited stamina and hence will beat any human at the Constitution department. Even Intelligence, untempered by common sense or social skills, is pretty valueless because those are the jobs that computers have been used for since the 1950s.
Almost certainly, but that's the nature of promotions, and has little to do with corporate culture. It's also not new.
Let's say that you're a Dexitroboper, and you've been doing the work of a dexitroboper well for four years. That's a reason to keep you in that job, but it's not by itself a reason to promote you. The person that will be promoted is, ideally, the person that "they" think will do the best job at the next level.
But the question is: what is the next level? What does a Senior Dexitroboper do that an ordinary Dexitroboper doesn't do?
Normally, the answer is "manage." You're not promoted so much to a Senior Dexitroboper position as you are to a Supervisory Dexitroboper, or a Lead Dexitroboper or a Dexitroboper Manager which means that you're responsible not only for doing your own work, but also for making sure that the others in your group get theirs done. So it doesn't matter how well you do your own job, because the promotion involves a job change (otherwise, it wouldn't be a promotion, would it?) And anything involving management generally requires people skills --- in other words, Charisma.
Dexitroboper sounds like a fascinating career. Wonder what all it entails?
Please note the last part of the sentence. I can lift way more than 60lbs, no problem. Just don't ask me or the guy you knew while he was doing one arm pushups with multiple large guys on his back, to run around and move as if we wheren't carrying ~60lbs extra or a bunch of large guys on out back while doing pushups.And I really don't know of that many people who can carry around ~60lbs (~27kg) without any penalties to movement and such.Really? I've known like, dozens of people who could do that. Heck, I knew a guy who could do a one arm pushups with multiple large guys on his back and this person was heavy.
You've never seen him run with people holding him down... I grantee you I noted the last part of that sentence.
Cha 14 - I've been known to change some people's minds, even convinced a few people to enjoy 4th Edition!CHA 20!
(I kid; I like 4th edition).
:)
On topic: I think the first 3 are easier to measure, especially Strength. Intelligence can also be measured in a number of ways. But Wisdom and Charisma are pretty damn hard. How does one really justify an 8 or an 18? I was one of 4 co-captains on my football team but that doesn't mean I'm super Charismatic. The "popular" kids in any given social environment don't all have 18's, comeliness aside. And shy or quiet doesn't necessarily mean their Cha is low. It's one of those stats that really didn't make much sense overall IMO.
Dexitroboper sounds like a fascinating career. Wonder what all it entails?
I'm not sure. I didn't look into it that deeply, as I wanted indoor work that was out of the cold.
On topic: I think the first 3 are easier to measure, especially Strength. Intelligence can also be measured in a number of ways. But Wisdom and Charisma are pretty damn hard. How does one really justify an 8 or an 18? I was one of 4 co-captains on my football team but that doesn't mean I'm super Charismatic. The "popular" kids in any given social environment don't all have 18's, comeliness aside. And shy or quiet doesn't necessarily mean their Cha is low. It's one of those stats that really didn't make much sense overall IMO.
Agreed. I remember a paper I stumbled across in graduate school that attempted to measure wisdom (note lack of capitalization) and did a survey across professions and age groups. Written by a pair of middle-aged clinical psychologists, they concluded <drum roll, please> that the group with the highest wisdom was "middle-aged psychologists." (That paper made the rounds of the department for a week, accompanied by howls of derisive laughter.)
People have tried to measure charisma, as "leadership" is a very important and well-funded field of study (for obvious reasons). However, I'm not particularly familiar with the work -- and I assume that I would be if this particular type of psychometric had obtained a lot of traction. And, of course, part of the problem is that (like everything else), it seems to have a lot of factors and it's not clear that you can get a single measurement with real-world meaning.
Getting back to IQ for a moment,.... one of the reasons that IQ is so powerful is because there does seem to be a single underlying (mathematical) factor that explains a lot of variation. Formally speaking, IQ is the principle component of the distribution of test performance across a wide variety of intellectual tasks, or in more technical detail, it's the first eigenvector of the covariance matrix of the various performances.
If the previous paragraph was gibberish to you, think of it this way. One of my close friends is a big guy. I mean, really big. 205 cm tall, 140 kg, wears shoes the size of canoes, can hold a teacup and say "guess what I've got in my fist," and buys his shirts at the local tent factory. He has long legs, long arms, a barrel chest, and the only thing he's missing is a Big Blue Ox.
But which of those do I mean when I say he's "a big guy"? All of them. In people, "big" tends all to go together; people's legs will be in proportion to their chest and arms. Which is to say, they "covary," which is why I can talk about "big" people generally. The covariance isn't perfect (my arms are long in proportion to my legs), but it's pretty darn good.
Performance on intellectual tasks also covaries. The ability to tell words from non-words quickly is strongly correlated with the ability to repeat groups of numbers from short-term memory or the ability, given two views of an object, to draw the third view. There's no obvious reason why the correlation should be as strong as it is.... but the lab data is very clear. There seems to be a general aspect of human thought that makes some people generally better on intellectual tasks than others, and it's actually rather difficult to find an example of an intellectual task that does not show strong correlation with traditional IQ tests.
Now, it might also be that the same personality traits that make someone an effective leader in a corporate environment also make that person a sympathetic friend or a good actor. It might not be. I haven't seen data one way or another, and I suspect that there isn't (or I would have heard about it). If that's the case, it will be very hard if not impossible to come up with a Charisma Quotient.
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I didn't realize this thread was supposed to be taken seriously.
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@Orfamay Quest: While I don't doubt that there's probably a larger concentration of more intelligent people in the TTRPGs community than in many other groups. I'm not sure that being "that guy" in regards to IQ necessarily means the same thing as being "that guy" when it comes to strength. I feel like the bar is lower to be "that guy" in regards to intelligence (not that everyone is stupid, just that there's tangible proof that some people can really excel when it comes to strength).
What I mean is: Even though an IQ of 135+ would put you amoung the 10% (or what ever) most intelligent people, I'm not sure that those 10% would be classified as twice (or more) as intelligent compared to a normal human. Those 10% may as well be sitting around at a 13 to 14 INT while the rest is somewhere between 8 and 12.
That's because the "twice as good" rule of thumb only applies to Strength.
How could you apply it to Dexterity? A person with a 15 dexterity runs "twice as fast" as average? A "typical" time for the 100 meter dash is about 12-13 seconds, so someone "twice as fast" should be able to run it in 6 seconds right? Given that the world record is just under nine seconds, you've just established either that the "twice as good" rule of thumb isn't applicable, or that the best Olympic sprinter of all time has a Dex of maybe 13.
Similarly, the world record for high jump is just over 8 feet; a decent high school high jumper can do 5'6" to 6' with relative ease. Again, the best performance isn't anywhere near twice as good as the average performance -- a four-foot high jump is trivial. (We called those 'hurdles' and were expected to clear dozens of them in a row at a full sprint.)
Similar effects occur with reaction time -- again, it's been well studied (the exact details depend upon the stimuli; visual reaction is usually slower than auditory, for example) -- where the absolute peak recorded in any study is usually substantially greater than half the median.
You don't even need to do arcane experiments to see that THAT GUY doesn't necessarily perform
To put it more bluntly, someone who is in the top tenth of one percent of human performance is THAT guy. The "twice as fast" rule is codswallop.
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Neutral Good; Human Male; Aristocrat 2
STR 14: I lift weights every other day and do so with fairly high loads.
DEX 8: I think I am a bit clumsy. I regularly drop my phone or bang into things.
CON 14: In can run a half marathon (21 km) in 2 hours.
INT 16: I clicked in at 136 IQ, when I was tested professionally. I speak 4 languages (Native: Danish; Learned: English, German, French)
WIS 10: Average I guess? I can’t think of anything that would indicate my Wisdom being especially high or low.
CHA 12: I have a lot of friends and acquaintances and really enjoy meeting and talking to new people.
SKILLS: Appraise 2 Ranks, Craft (Food) 2 Ranks, Diplomacy 2 Ranks, Knowledge (Geography) 2 Ranks, Knowledge (History) 2 Ranks, Profession (Administrator) 2 Ranks, Profession (Merchant) 2 Ranks, Swim 2 Ranks
FEATS: Fast Learner, Improvisation
GEAR: Courtier’s Outfit (Suit), Jewelry (Watch, Tie Pin)
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Hmmm...using the scale from a couple pages ago...
STR 12 - played high school sports (football, basketball), frequently asked to lift/carry heavy objects, but by no means a physical specimen.
DEX 15 - good aim, and I have dodged bottle rockets that unexpectedly flew directly at me, plus many years of martial arts.
CON 8 - frequently injured, don't heal quickly.
INT 17 - multiple IQ tests have put me between 148-163 (different tests, different times of life, etc).
WIS 8-14 - depends on the day, my mood, phase of the moon, etc
CHA 8 - I'm not hopeless, but I am an IT guy that plays Pathfinder. Plus my mood.
-4 penalty on sight-based Perception, compensated with masterwork goggles, but they don't correct for color-blindness.
+2 bonus on smell-based Perception. I smell things I shouldn't be able to.
+2 bonus on Sense Motive. Office politics and discussions with the user-base goes a long way to helping the BS-detector.
Based upon Wonderstell's scale:
Conservative estimates
Str: 16
Dex: 9
Con: 14
Int: 16
Wis: 18
Cha: 18
Str: I'm not an athlete, but I work out. Being 6'1 and 208lbs helps with the strength measurement.
Dex: I'm not a total klutz, but I do have a tenancy to trip and otherwise cause minor injuries to myself. I was a touch surprised by the low number, but those are the criteria. Incidentally, I'm a pretty good shot with a gun, but perhaps that's just practice. Weapon focus (Firearm)
Con: Similar to Str, I'm a big guy who takes care of himself, so perhaps that's a factor. I rarely get sick. I do keep clean, but don't worry about germs too much. Perhaps this exposure helped too.
Int: I have a cerebral job and have always been ahead of the curve. I'm no genius, but I'm definitely ahead of the bell curve. I though this number would be higher, but what do you do? I'm a technology consultant for a global consulting firm. It requires a high degree of analytical ability.
Wis and Cha were a bit of a surprise to me. Based on the aforementioned criteria those are the numbers. I understand most situations and am empathetic, so that's cool. However, I feel like my charisma is something I turn on and off depending on my mood. I'm generally well liked and lots of fun when I feel like it, but I also am totally happy being a hermit for periods of time. Go figure
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I didn't realize this thread was supposed to be taken seriously.
Are any of them really supposed to be taken seriously?
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And I really don't know of that many people who can carry around ~60lbs (~27kg) without any penalties to movement and such.
It's not everyone, but it's not unheard of. I used to wear a 40lb weight vest in college in addition to a leather coat and having all of my textbooks in a backpack. It was a workout (which was the point), but not a huge deal. I even rode my bike a couple miles to get to campus with all that.
Str: 9
Dex: 9
Con: 10
Int: 17
Wis: 11
Cha: 10
Considering I'm a human young character with five or four NPC class levels, my original stats would be:
Str: 11
Dex: 7
Con: 12
Int: 15
Wis: 13
Cha: 9
Which is a 5 point buy, not a fantasy hero, but not that bad.
It's not everyone, but it's not unheard of. I used to wear a 40lb weight vest in college in addition to a leather coat and having all of my textbooks in a backpack. It was a workout (which was the point), but not a huge deal. I even rode my bike a couple miles to get to campus with all that.And I really don't know of that many people who can carry around ~60lbs (~27kg) without any penalties to movement and such.
You get used to it. Military members, for example, generally carry around 110lbs in gear during wartime. At first it's awkward, but once you develop the muscle mass and get used to it it feels like part of yourself. Do you perform better without it? Of course you do, but that's the case with anything.
So... you're a 51 PB build? lolBased upon Wonderstell's scale:
Conservative estimates
Str: 16
Dex: 9
Con: 14
Int: 16
Wis: 18
Cha: 18
Based on Wonderstell's criteria it would seem so. Rest assured I'm as surprised as you are.
Game mechanics don't necessarily translate to real life well.
So... you're a 51 PB build? lolBased upon Wonderstell's scale:
Conservative estimates
Str: 16
Dex: 9
Con: 14
Int: 16
Wis: 18
Cha: 18Based on Wonderstell's criteria it would seem so. Rest assured I'm as surprised as you are.
Game mechanics don't necessarily translate to real life well.
Just to be clear, I didn't come up with the scale myself. The values are taken from the ability score descriptions, so I simply copy-pasted it from there.
I find it funny that it is kinda easy to have high mental scores (wis&cha improve with experience) according to the scale, since that implies that most of my characters are antisocial morons.
Str: 12 (poor upperbody strength, great leg strength)
Dex: 13
Con: 12 (rarely sick)
Int: 13 (maybe 14, fairly booksmart, BA degree, know lots of trivia)
Wis: 15
Cha: 13
(20 pnt build)
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So... you're a 51 PB build? lolBased upon Wonderstell's scale:
Conservative estimates
Str: 16
Dex: 9
Con: 14
Int: 16
Wis: 18
Cha: 18
Actually, that's a 58 point build.
So... you're a 51 PB build? lolBased upon Wonderstell's scale:
Conservative estimates
Str: 16
Dex: 9
Con: 14
Int: 16
Wis: 18
Cha: 18Based on Wonderstell's criteria it would seem so. Rest assured I'm as surprised as you are.
Game mechanics don't necessarily translate to real life well.
Just to be clear, I didn't come up with the scale myself. The values are taken from the ability score descriptions, so I simply copy-pasted it from there.
I find it funny that it is kinda easy to have high mental scores (wis&cha improve with experience) according to the scale, since that implies that most of my characters are antisocial morons.
Age bonuses maybe? lol.
Random thoughts: I think if you're reasonably well adjusted to society you're going to have fairly good mental scores (13+). Plus they improve with practice. Personally, I learned to be charismatic in College. Prior to that I was so awkward I could barely talk to people.
Additionally, assuming you live in an industrialized country, we're living in the information age. With the internet it's much easier to gain knowledge now than it was even 20 years ago. If you are curious about something most people have a device in their pocket that can access the answer. It's MUCH easier and more effective than finding and using an encyclopedia or researching at your local library.
For purposes of navigating society a person uses mental scores a lot more than physical ones. There's some notable cross over. Our society values the appearance of health, so a good musculature is going to be expressed in both STR and CHA.
Again, game stats don't necessarily translate great to real life.
Actually, that's a 58 point build.So... you're a 51 PB build? lolBased upon Wonderstell's scale:
Conservative estimates
Str: 16
Dex: 9
Con: 14
Int: 16
Wis: 18
Cha: 18
Maybe I'm just that impressive. ;-)
Roll of the proverbial genetic dice and all that. :-)
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I've always had a hard time nailing down my con score but other than that I've had a very good idea of my stats for a couple of years.
Str 13: I exercise regularly (10-12 hours a week in the gym) but haven't received any formal combat training so I feel really reluctant to bump my strength score higher for a larger bonus to hit. Instead I have the Muscle of the Society trait to get up to the 15 Strength my carrying capacity claims I have.
Dex 9: I'm a little clumsy and not as flexible as I used to be.
Con I HAVE NO IDEA: I process alcohol incredibly quickly (I won't get buzzed AT ALL unless I'm doing double shots and I CAN'T get drunk unless I'm doing quad), function fine on an average of 2 hours of sleep a night and can spend 2+ hours straight on cardio heavy activities, but catch EVERYTHING that goes around and am frequently sick for greater than a week at a time. Maybe a Con of 5 with Uber Endurance and Uber Iron Liver?
Int 17: It's actually a 21 but I get 2 hours of sleep a night so I'm not on my A game pretty much every day. 3 days of proper rest and my 183 IQ actually has a chance to show itself.
Wis 9: I decided to make a schedule for myself where I get an average of 2 hours of sleep a night. Outside of that though, all other qualities of Wisdom would sit me at a 14.
Cha 11: I'm quite attractive, can pick up on social cues of people I know very easily and don't have any difficulty conversing in topics of interest but am anxious around people I don't know.
And maybe you have the Conversion Inquisition or some equivalent, letting you use Wis for most Cha stuff. Or Student of Philosophy to use Int. I probably have one of those.
That's drop the necessary point-buy a lot (since then your Cha can be 10 or so).
Definitely a possibility. I'm pretty sure I'm multiclassed.
ack, I seem to be a 21 point buy, where do I belong!? WHERE!!?? ;)
In regards to Intelligence, I believe it's based on the IQ scale (which isn't necessarily perfectly accurate in and of itself) but drops the last zero of the score, so IQ 100 = Int 10, IQ 180 = Int 18, etc.
In regards to Intelligence, I believe it's based on the IQ scale (which isn't necessarily perfectly accurate in and of itself) but drops the last zero of the score, so IQ 100 = Int 10, IQ 180 = Int 18, etc.
An IQ of 180 is a literal 1 in a million (well one in 3 million if using 16 standard deviations and 1 in 20 million if using 15 standard deviations instead), not a 1 in 216, so an 18 in Int is much better represented by an IQ of 140 (still very smart and easily able to do basically any job ever made except perhaps things that heavily involve quantum physics). Likewise, an Int of 3 is ~ an IQ of 60, and an Int of 7 (lowest point buy human) is 90 which is a normal ass everyday blue collar worker, not the blabbering idiot that everyone seems to play them as.
Using Wonderstell's scale on page one.
STR: 6 I am a noodle-being.
DEX: 10 Pretty average.
CON: 9 I don't get sick often, but my endurance is crap.
INT: 12 Pretty intelligent. I'm garbage at math and logic puzzles though.
WIS: 12 One of my few redeeming traits.
CHA: 8 I look several years younger than I am, really skinny, pale, and I can't even maintain a proper conversation with my best friend (who I've known since 3rd grade) in a one-on-one situation. Tends to make social situations awkward.
I seem to be a -3 point buy character.
Using Wonderstell's scale on page one.
STR: 6 I am a noodle-being.
DEX: 10 Pretty average.
CON: 9 I don't get sick often, but my endurance is crap.
INT: 12 Pretty intelligent. I'm garbage at math and logic puzzles though.
WIS: 12 One of my few redeeming traits.
CHA: 8 I look several years younger than I am, really skinny, pale, and I can't even maintain a proper conversation with my best friend (who I've known since 3rd grade) in a one-on-one situation. Tends to make social situations awkward.I seem to be a -3 point buy character.
If it makes you feel any better, the last character i played ended being no greater than 2 point buy (I rolled a 4 for his Con, not sure how many points you "should" deduct from point buy once it gets that low) and that was with 4d6 drop the lowest. His highest stat pre racial bonus was a 13.