Silk to Steal and Pillows.


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I realize this is an odd question, but basically I have a character who is going be carrying a sack of pillows, and I am wondering if there is a way to use Silk to Steal on them.

Edit: If not, is there a similar spell that would let me do the same thing.


d20pfsrd wrote:

Silk to Steel

School transmutation; Level bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2; Elemental School metal 2

CASTING
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S

EFFECT
Range touch
Target one scarf
Duration 1 round/level
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no

DESCRIPTION
You imbue an ordinary scarf (or similar piece of clothing) with the strength of steel without altering its weight or flexibility. Each round on your turn, you can decide to use the scarf to defend yourself (gaining a +2 shield bonus to your Armor Class) or to attack as if the scarf were a whip.

Target is one scarf, so you can't use it on pillows.

If you're the GM, you could make it so you can attack with the pillow as if it were a club. If you're not, ask the GM if that's a reasonable houserule alteration.

If you can't get the spell changed for your game, then consider tearing up the pillow into a scarf-shaped strand before casting.


That typo confused me for a minute. A similar spell you might use is Shrink Item (to a cloth duplicate). Take some steel shields or tower shields, convert them to cloth, then stitch thm on to your pillows. If you're not a sorc/wiz, then you still might be able to do this via item or a summoned atomie.


avr wrote:
That typo confused me for a minute. A similar spell you might use is Shrink Item (to a cloth duplicate). Take some steel shields or tower shields, convert them to cloth, then stitch thm on to your pillows. If you're not a sorc/wiz, then you still might be able to do this via item or a summoned atomie.

Summoner if I can't get this to work. But anyway how would I convert steel shields to cloth. Also how would that work on comfort end. Basically this character loves stealing pillows, and hoards them. So to go with the joke I need a way to weaponize said pillows. If all else fails I have a design for a pillow eidolon that could fight for me. With a zipper mouth it bites people with.


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Improvised Weapon will work, and a Monk of the Empty Hand can do so, so much more than have a pillow fight. He can have a flaming, frost, pillow fight with pillows that deal his unarmed damage.


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Azten wrote:
Improvised Weapon will work, and a Monk of the Empty Hand can do so, so much more than have a pillow fight. He can have a flaming, frost, pillow fight with pillows that deal his unarmed damage.

>:D MWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH. Sweet, now all that's left is a way to magically fly. Wait is there a magus version of that?


Of Empty Hand? No, but I'm pretty sure you could use your arcana pool to do the exact same thing.


Azten wrote:
Of Empty Hand? No, but I'm pretty sure you could use your arcana pool to do the exact same thing.

Could one use weapon focus with sacred weapon feature of the warpriest, to make it so i can wield pillows of death? Reason I don't want to be a monk is my dm kinda hates monks after one of our characters got a bit carried away and overpowered with one.


Well I found Makeshift Scrapper but still not sure if this would actually let me do damage with a pillow. Also for the purpose of a spell I found, what weapon would a pillow be closest to.


Artifix wrote:
But anyway how would I convert steel shields to cloth. Also how would that work on comfort end. Basically this character loves stealing pillows, and hoards them. So to go with the joke I need a way to weaponize said pillows.

Shrink Item has the option to convert an object (like, say, a heavy shield) to a cloth-like minature duplicate for 1 day/caster level. No details are given as to the comfort level of said cloth; I suspect a shield would be a more comfortable shape than a morningstar or whatever. Weaponizing it means making the shield revert then doing a shield bash.


My Self wrote:
d20pfsrd wrote:

Silk to Steel

School transmutation; Level bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2; Elemental School metal 2

CASTING
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S

EFFECT
Range touch
Target one scarf
Duration 1 round/level
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no

DESCRIPTION
You imbue an ordinary scarf (or similar piece of clothing) with the strength of steel without altering its weight or flexibility. Each round on your turn, you can decide to use the scarf to defend yourself (gaining a +2 shield bonus to your Armor Class) or to attack as if the scarf were a whip.

Target is one scarf, so you can't use it on pillows.

If you're the GM, you could make it so you can attack with the pillow as if it were a club. If you're not, ask the GM if that's a reasonable houserule alteration.

If you can't get the spell changed for your game, then consider tearing up the pillow into a scarf-shaped strand before casting.

From my friend: "What if you had a pillow made out of scarves." I find it quite odd but plausible to do this.


Bump, because I legitimately want to know if the above would work.


If your pillow is a single scarf, then yes, it is a valid target of the spell.


My Self wrote:
If your pillow is a single scarf, then yes, it is a valid target of the spell.

Considering that scarves can be of arbitrary length (c.f. Tom Baker's 12' long scarf on Dr. Who), and if you sew pin or sew a scarf into a tube it will still be a scarf (the stitching or pins are more easily removed than the weaving, crocheting, or knitting), then you could just take a single especially long scarf, wrap it into a spiral, sew it, and stuff it with feathers. So this should work.


PossibleCabbage wrote:
My Self wrote:
If your pillow is a single scarf, then yes, it is a valid target of the spell.
Considering that scarves can be of arbitrary length (c.f. Tom Baker's 12' long scarf on Dr. Who), and if you sew pin or sew a scarf into a tube it will still be a scarf (the stitching or pins are more easily removed than the weaving, crocheting, or knitting), then you could just take a single especially long scarf, wrap it into a spiral, sew it, and stuff it with feathers. So this should work.

YAY for loopholes XD. So I can weaponize my pillows as long as there scarves. Now the only question is whether I can weapon focus them...


Why are you trying to make improvised weapons out of them?

Get Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bladed Scarf


Hmm, if we are using the pillow as a pillow, what type of weapon should it do damage as? I can definitely see it being used as a shield, but it needs a different weapon form. Maybe a club or a spiked shield?


The Shaman wrote:
Hmm, if we are using the pillow as a pillow, what type of weapon should it do damage as? I can definitely see it being used as a shield, but it needs a different weapon form. Maybe a club or a spiked shield?

Well if I can figure out if I can weapon focus it then I could just make it sacred weapon damage!


PossibleCabbage wrote:
My Self wrote:
If your pillow is a single scarf, then yes, it is a valid target of the spell.
Considering that scarves can be of arbitrary length (c.f. Tom Baker's 12' long scarf on Dr. Who), and if you sew pin or sew a scarf into a tube it will still be a scarf (the stitching or pins are more easily removed than the weaving, crocheting, or knitting), then you could just take a single especially long scarf, wrap it into a spiral, sew it, and stuff it with feathers. So this should work.

"Scarf" in this world is probably more like a belly dance hip scarf or a square scarf, but these might actually work better for your plan. (I have seen 2 small square scarves use to make a pillow; you could do it with 1 larger one easily.)

The thin "crochet ascot" scarf most people think of these days is post-1600s in Europe and the Middle East. (My costuming knowledge ends there, so I don't know how much past 1600 it might be--could be 1675 for all I know.) :-)


My Self wrote:

Why are you trying to make improvised weapons out of them?

Get Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bladed Scarf

But then could I sow it into a signature pillow, keeping the blades. Or will it still be an improvised weapon.


Gwen Smith wrote:

"Scarf" in this world is probably more like a belly dance hip scarf or a square scarf, but these might actually work better for your plan. (I have seen 2 small square scarves use to make a pillow; you could do it with 1 larger one easily.)

The thin "crochet ascot" scarf most people think of these days is post-1600s in Europe and the Middle East. (My costuming knowledge ends there, so I don't know how much past 1600 it might be--could be 1675 for all I know.) :-)

Knitting dates back to at least the 13th century IRL, doesn't it? And pretty much the first thing you knit when you learn how to knit is a scarf (since it's good practice for the basic technique and requires very little thinking beyond counting.) I would imagine that people in cold weather environments would have been knitting woolens since time immemorial in cold places where herding is a primary vocation.

But yeah, a large square scarf is almost certainly the best way to make a pillow out of a scarf (the spell does say "or similar piece of clothing" so it doesn't even really need to be a scarf, but we're covering our bases here). To the OP- if your GM is really persnickety about "where are you going to get a scarf like that" take a single rank in a craft skill related to knitting, since a scarf is literally the easiest thing to knit.


Would I need a check to attach/detach blades to or like tassels. So that it is a bladed scarf pillow?


So you want a Vorpal Pillow?


MannyGoblin wrote:
So you want a Vorpal Pillow?

If that link had have been to this then yes...


Artifix wrote:
Would I need a check to attach/detach blades to or like tassels. So that it is a bladed scarf pillow?

Is this even possible?


Instead of Silk-to-Steel, how about a variant of Glitterdust: Glitterfeathers. Cast a spell and throw the pillow at the target. It explodes in burst of feathers that can blind and that seem to stick to invisible creatures. Bonus points if you add alchemical tar as an extra component.

/cevah


PossibleCabbage wrote:
Gwen Smith wrote:

"Scarf" in this world is probably more like a belly dance hip scarf or a square scarf, but these might actually work better for your plan. (I have seen 2 small square scarves use to make a pillow; you could do it with 1 larger one easily.)

The thin "crochet ascot" scarf most people think of these days is post-1600s in Europe and the Middle East. (My costuming knowledge ends there, so I don't know how much past 1600 it might be--could be 1675 for all I know.) :-)

Knitting dates back to at least the 13th century IRL, doesn't it? And pretty much the first thing you knit when you learn how to knit is a scarf (since it's good practice for the basic technique and requires very little thinking beyond counting.) I would imagine that people in cold weather environments would have been knitting woolens since time immemorial in cold places where herding is a primary vocation.

All I can tell you is that in the SCA, various Renaissance Fairs, and historic-oriented belly dance troupes, I've never run across a "soccer scarf" style. I've seen a reference that the modern-style knit scarf was invented in 1783 by the Third Duke of Krakow but I don't see a citation.


Just checking to see I have this right. I can buy a bladed scarf, then sow it together into a pillow shape, correct?

And if so, can I make the blades removable, so I can use the pillow normally?

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