Occult Hybrid Classes


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My Self wrote:
Cruel Illusion wrote:
JiCi wrote:


- Brawler or Monk/Kineticist; yes, I'm stepping on the Elemental Ascetic, but come on, a brawler/monk who throws fireballs would be awesome.

That was what I hoped the Ascetic would be. I was so very bitterly disappointed by what we acually got.

Don't just step on it, crush it underfoot. Monk/Kineticist deserves better than the genie styles, the Monk of the Four Winds, and Elemental Ascetic.

*Points to the Duelist PrC*

*Points to the Rogue's Swashbuckler archetype*
*Points to the Swashbuckler class*

Sounds like a common practice to replace an archetype or PrC by a hybrid class.

TBH, I'd replace the Powerful Fist with the ability to shoot a Blast.


N. Jolly wrote:
God help me, I was just thinking of how to do a paladin kineticist mix when I was out walking today. You've just made me decide that it should go to the top of my list of 'things that are cool and I should work on.'

I have a Vance "Major Victory" Astrovik analogue character who is a paladin/telekineticist. Would love to see a hybrid of some sort that might do him better "justice" (pun intended). Although the combo already is pretty good, IMO.


Can't remember if some of these have already been mentioned, but here's some more Occult hybrids (mostly archetypes rather than hybrid classes):

Blackfire Adept Psychic archetype of Summoner: Make a Blackfire Adept Summoner actually work right.

Harrowed Medium archetype: Completed version of the Medium in the playtest, with some Shaman/Witch Hex capability added in to flesh this out.

Kinetic Monk, Ninja, and Kinetic Samurai: Monk, Ninja, and Samurai chassis (respectively), but have enhanced ability to do stuff sort of like Neo & company in The Matrix.

Psychic Inquisitor: This blends some Mesmerist into Inquisitor. Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you. And they can be anywhere, spying on and/or subtly altering your thoughts without giving any outward indication . . .

(Somebody already mentioned Psychic Witch)

Reliquarian Cleric: Sort of a complement to Reliquarian Occultist, but acting as a Cleric-focused (instead of Occultist-focused) Cleric-Occultist hybrid.


JiCi wrote:
Nox Aeterna wrote:
Honestly? The "class" i want the most is a pet class with bardic performance.
I think that the Familiar's Handbook has an archetype for that ;)

Yes: Duettist. Page 6 of Familiar Folio.


I kinda want to see a Swashbuckler/Monk- a sort of flashy, scary, CHA-based martial artist. Maybe panache instead of ki, or maybe a combination. And one done better than the kata master.

Also, if nobody has mentioned this before, Kineticist/Gunslinger.

Dark Archive

Random thoughts;

Spiritualist / Druid, conjures up ephemeral nature spirits able to manifest as animals or plants, or elemental spirits, and has a smattering of druid spells.

Occultist / bloodline Sorcerer, spends points to invest into self abilities of his bloodlines critter type (devil, dragon, celestial, aberration, undead, etc.) for the day, gaining devil-ish or celestial spell-like abilities, undead or aberration traits, draconic breath and abilities, etc. Sort of a themed Totemist for Pathfinder. The more focus invested into monster abilities, the less is available for sorcery, so there's a trade off.

Mesmerist / Bard, generates buffing / debuffing psychic emanations that focus allies and / or distract enemies. At higher levels it has effects similar to slow and haste, drawing upon the mental focus of enemies and leaving them staggered, and then using this stolen psychic focus to enhance allies.

These could be done with Archetypes, most likely, as well.


Hm. What about a Wizard/Cleric/Psychic? Perhaps a 6-level or 9-level omnicaster of a sort.


Set wrote:

Random thoughts;

Spiritualist / Druid, conjures up ephemeral nature spirits able to manifest as animals or plants, or elemental spirits, and has a smattering of druid spells.

I really wonder why spiritualists aren't full casters. Phantoms aren't that powerful, and their spell list isn't transcendent either. Even as full casters, they wouldn't be on the same level as druids.

Set wrote:
Occultist / bloodline Sorcerer, spends points to invest into self abilities of his bloodlines critter type (devil, dragon, celestial, aberration, undead, etc.) for the day, gaining devil-ish or celestial spell-like abilities, undead or aberration traits, draconic breath and abilities, etc. Sort of a themed Totemist for Pathfinder. The more focus invested into monster abilities, the less is available for sorcery, so there's a trade off.

I love the idea.


My Self wrote:
Hm. What about a Wizard/Cleric/Psychic? Perhaps a 6-level or 9-level omnicaster of a sort.

That would take even more serious early-entry shenanigans than Mystic Theurge (or D&D 3.5's Cerebremancer) to be viable before you get into the really high levels. BUT . . .

An omission so glaring I didn't think of it until just now: We still don't have a prepared (Wizard-style) or hybrid (Arcanist-style) casting Psychic spellcaster.


UnArcaneElection wrote:
My Self wrote:
Hm. What about a Wizard/Cleric/Psychic? Perhaps a 6-level or 9-level omnicaster of a sort.

That would take even more serious early-entry shenanigans than Mystic Theurge (or D&D 3.5's Cerebremancer) to be viable before you get into the really high levels. BUT . . .

An omission so glaring I didn't think of it until just now: We still don't have a prepared (Wizard-style) or hybrid (Arcanist-style) casting Psychic spellcaster.

Is that really glaring though? It fits with the idea of psychic casting quite well. I'm not sure how flavorwise you would create a prepared caster.


Admittedly the spellbook flavor is a bit tricky to fit in, but the concept of a Psychic Caster meditating to prepare their mental routines certainly fits with regard to flavor.


Think of it like a Psychic caster preparing commands- they think of a number of commands really, really intensely, and cast it when the time is right.

Perhaps Arcanist-style casting would be better than straight-up prepared casting.


UnArcaneElection wrote:
My Self wrote:
Hm. What about a Wizard/Cleric/Psychic? Perhaps a 6-level or 9-level omnicaster of a sort.

That would take even more serious early-entry shenanigans than Mystic Theurge (or D&D 3.5's Cerebremancer) to be viable before you get into the really high levels. BUT . . .

An omission so glaring I didn't think of it until just now: We still don't have a prepared (Wizard-style) or hybrid (Arcanist-style) casting Psychic spellcaster.

The Arcanist archetype that gives you a bloodline can be used for the Psychic bloodline.


Cruel Illusion wrote:
Set wrote:

Random thoughts;

Spiritualist / Druid, conjures up ephemeral nature spirits able to manifest as animals or plants, or elemental spirits, and has a smattering of druid spells.

I really wonder why spiritualists aren't full casters. Phantoms aren't that powerful, and their spell list isn't transcendent either. Even as full casters, they wouldn't be on the same level as druids.

I agree is it something to wonder , honestly , from a power perspective , there is no reason i can think to ever making a spiritualist. He probably wont be the best at anything.

With that said , the flavor is there , so i still like the class :P.


Azten wrote:
UnArcaneElection wrote:
My Self wrote:
Hm. What about a Wizard/Cleric/Psychic? Perhaps a 6-level or 9-level omnicaster of a sort.

That would take even more serious early-entry shenanigans than Mystic Theurge (or D&D 3.5's Cerebremancer) to be viable before you get into the really high levels. BUT . . .

An omission so glaring I didn't think of it until just now: We still don't have a prepared (Wizard-style) or hybrid (Arcanist-style) casting Psychic spellcaster.

The Arcanist archetype that gives you a bloodline can be used for the Psychic bloodline.

Yeah, but the Psychic bloodline only affects Sorcerer spells. Arcanists don't cast Sorcerer spells.


Huh. Never noticed that. I could see the Arcanist being ruled for being able to use it anyway though.


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Azten wrote:

Huh. Never noticed that. I could see the Arcanist being ruled for being able to use it anyway though.

As a houserule, I'd totally let that through. As an actual rule, though, nothing under the Blood Arcanist archetype or Psychic bloodline supports that.


Although it doesn't allow for Psychic casting of arcanist spells RAW, the psychic bloodline would allow a Blood Arcanist to use thought and emotion components instead of verbal and somatic components for their spells. That effect isn't limited by class.


Yes, but doesn't using thought and emotion components instead of verbal and somatic components require psychic casting instead of arcane casting? Not sure how this would work if Blood Arcanist with the Psychic Bloodline gets you one but not the other.

Psychic Bloodline of Sorcerer really should have been an archetype instead of a Bloodline, like it is for Bloodrager (Id Rager). (Meanwhile, Wildblooded Bloodlines other than Sage and Empyreal SHOULDN'T have been archetypes -- this just creates unnecessary complication.)


Kineticist/Medium: A character who uses seances to gain the power of various elemental spirits.

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