Well, pushing and pulling infusion for aero's kinetic blast would handle the Force push and pull, maybe with some feats to make it worthwhile to use.
Aero's Telekinesic Haul would take care of the Telekinesis nicely, and Air's electric blast could be your Force Lightning.
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Air/Aether would definitely be the way to go. I would probably start with Aether and then work into Air at 7th level with Expanded Element.
Going into Air at 7th is even flavorful, as Sith take a while to actually learn Force Lightning.
not sure about f eats but I was thinking for infusions and talents
human fighter 1/kineticist 19
Str- 07
Dex- 16
Con- 18 (+2 racial)
Int- 13
Wis- 14
Cha- 07Elemental Focus Aether
Simple Blasts- Kinetic Blast, Electric blast
Composite Boost- Aetheric Boost
Expanded Element 7th- Air
Expanded Element 15th- Aether or Air?1st level Wild talents
Basic telekinesis
Pushing Infusion (1st level)
Kinetic healer (2nd level)
Extended range infusion (3rd level)2nd level Wild talents
telekinetic haul (4th level)
Kinetic blade infusion (5th level)3rd level Wild talents
Foe throw (6th level)4th level wild talents
Telekinetic maneuvers (8th level)
Extreme range infusion (9th level)5th level wild talents
Force barrier (10th level)
Grappling infusion (11th level)6th level wild talents
Suffocate (12th level)
Snake infusion (13th level)7th level wild talents
Spell deflection (14th level)8th level wild talents
Telekinetic deflection (16th level)
Many throw infusion (17th level)
Reverse Shift (18th level)and there are no 9th level wild talents for air or aether
Feats
1st level - Weapon focus (longsword)
1st level - weapon finesse
1st level fighter feat - Slashing Grace
3rd level - ???
5th level - ???
7th level - ???
9th level - ???
11th level - ???
13th level - ???
15th level - Extra wild talent (Chain)
17th level - ???
19th level - ???
Why fighter 1 and why weapon focus longsword? Just go full kineticist, pick up weapon focus kinetic blast and get kinetic blade.
Yeah, I'm not really seeing the purpose of getting proficiency in longsword when you can simply use your Kinetic blast as a weapon to deal a crap ton more damage.... If are already planning on taking Kinetic Blade, and at 5th level you can use Kinetic Blade freely without any Burn issues. Just take Weapon Finesse and Weapon Focus: Kinetic Blast if you want.
Weapon focus kinetic blast, weapon finesse, toughness, then precise+point-blank if you can spare the feats. After that it's whatever you want, including Extra Wild Talent to get the stuff you missed.
Very interesting take.
Dreamscarred's psionics system works so much better for building sith/jedi.
Yes, very helpful. That is clearly where this conversation was going. Everyone talking about how to make the kineticist into a Sith Lord was just for that, shining moment of saying Dreamscarred Press is better.
Not all games allow 3rd Party Material, even Dreamscarred Press. I don't, because I don't like the flavor of psionics. Paizo's occult stuff has better flavor to me, and it feels like the kind of thing that could exist concurrently with magic. 3.5, and by extension Dreamscarred Press, psionics do not. My point being, you didn't further the conversation that the OP wanted to have.
That said, if you can finding a way to get into air/fire, it might be worth it just for the flavor of having a Plasma blast to use with Kinetic Blade. After all, what's a lightsaber but plasma? Problem is I don't know how useful fire would be for anything else as a Sith. Using Aether with Kinetic Blade could work, since when using it the item in your hand it irrelevant; you can have the "hilt" of your saber and then using Kinetic Blade makes the blade.
I might drop Kinetic Healing; this is only ever mentioned as a thing Jedi can do, so as a Sith it's not really helpful. Telekientic Finesse might be a better choice, so you can easily grab and lift minute objects. Later on, Force Hook can be thematically reflavored as a sudden lunge powered by the Force, which we see frequently. Aether Puppet could be interesting as taking full control of a person with the Force. If you aren't dead set on Sith Lightning, taking Void for Gravity Blasts could be interesting. Getting Gravity Control and such makes for good high-level force abilities.
That said, if you can finding a way to get into air/fire, it might be worth it just for the flavor of having a Plasma blast to use with Kinetic Blade. After all, what's a lightsaber but plasma?
Actually, the Lightsaber is a directed energy beam through an attuned crystal. As far as I know plasma based lightsabers were only ever a fan theory stating that lightsabers are a contained plasma loop. I have a vague memory of this theory erroneously being used in a very few low canon legacy books by writers messing up. (And possibly a film novelization, don't quote me on that.) However, electric blast is hypothetically as accurate as anything else. Higher levels of canon, the video games, other systems, and more all classify it as energy damage. Never plasma.
My favourite lightsaber was a +X brilliant energy, flaming, shocking, corrosive longsword.
Too bad kineticists don't get mind-affecting powers.
True, that it is. I more meant that plasma seems like the best way to me to represent it with any type of composite blast; it clearly "burns" through things, but it also deals physical damage to get past fire resistance. If you somehow got to Blue Flame Blast, you've even got a Jedi color!
True, that it is. I more meant that plasma seems like the best way to me to represent it with any type of composite blast; it clearly "burns" through things, but it also deals physical damage to get past fire resistance. If you somehow got to Blue Flame Blast, you've even got a Jedi color!
Ya know, speaking of I have been thinking of electric blast as possibly something that could be any color. After all, why not go all Plo Koon and bust out the freaking rainbow of lightning? :p
Yes, very helpful. That is clearly where this conversation was going. Everyone talking about how to make the kineticist into a Sith Lord was just for that, shining moment of saying Dreamscarred Press is better.
Not all games allow 3rd Party Material, even Dreamscarred Press. I don't, because I don't like the flavor of psionics. Paizo's occult stuff has better flavor to me, and it feels like the kind of thing that could exist concurrently with magic. 3.5, and by extension Dreamscarred Press, psionics do not. My point being, you didn't further the conversation that the OP wanted to have.
That's my opinion and FYI I'll leave my opinion of your smarmy-ness unsaid. You're not a forum monitor or the OP. Deal with it.
Here's a sample build - because psionics works quite well, especially for something that is essentially psionic (whether you like the mechanics/flavor/semantics or not for being a smarm-head).
Lord Vayndaal the Black CR 12
XP 19,200
Male forgeborn psychic warrior 13 ( Ultimate Psionics 53)
LE Medium humanoid (half-construct)
Init +11; Senses Perception +23
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Defense
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AC 18, touch 13, flat-footed 15 (+4 armor, +3 Dex, +1 natural)
hp 117 (13d8+13)
Fort +8, Ref +7, Will +7; +2 bonus vs. disease, mind-affecting effects, poison, and effects that cause
either exhaustion or fatigue., +2 vs. fear, +3 resistance bonus vs. airborne toxins and diseases
DR 2/—
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Offense
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Speed 20 ft.
Melee beamsabre +13/+8 (4d6 plasma damage 19-20/X3), or
unarmed strike +12/+7 (1d3+3 nonlethal)
Special Attacks martial power
Psychic Warrior Powers Known (power points 73, ML 13th; concentration +14)
5th—adapt body
4th—immovability (DC 17)
3rd—dimension slide, dispatch, mental barrier, physical acceleration, ubiquitous vision
2nd—deflect, defy gravity, distracting strike , sidestep, thought shield
1st—burst (path), empty mind (path) , inertial armor, metaphysical weapon (path)
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Statistics
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Str 16, Dex 16, Con 10, Int 14, Wis 16, Cha 6
Base Atk +9; CMB +12 (+16 dirty trick, +18 disarm, +16 reposition, +16 trip); CMD 25 (29 vs. dirty trick,
31 vs. disarm, 29 vs. reposition, 29 vs. trip)
Feats Blind-fight, Cleave, Combat Reflexes, Great Cleave, Improved Critical (beamsabre), Improved Initiative,
Lunge, weapon focus (beamsabre), Psionic Talent, Speed Of Thought, Surprise Follow-through
ARG , Technologist, Up
The Walls
Traits - custom trait -
Skills Acrobatics +21 (+17 to jump), Autohypnosis +19, Bluff -2 (+0 to Feint), Knowledge (psionics) +18,
Perception +23, Spellcraft +18, Stealth +14
Languages Common, Forgeborn, Osiriani, Ancient, Thassilonian
SQ half-construct, maneuver (interceptor path), maneuver (weaponmaster's path), natural armor, path
power, path skill, trance (interceptor path), trance (weaponmaster's path), twisting paths, warrior's path,
warrior's path (interceptor's path, weaponmaster path)
Combat Gear arc grenade, arc grenade, arc grenade; Other Gear smart armor, numerian silverdisk (5), bandolier
UE , belt pouch, filter mask,
timeworn jetpack
And for a lightsabre, ANOTHER THIRD PARTY SOURCE gave us the beamsabre:
4d6 plasma damage 19-20/X3. It also ignores 20 points of hardness.
Devs will delete this post - but that doesn't make you less smarmy.
You're right, I'm not. I'm just trying to help the OP build a Kineticist that works like a Sith lord. What I'm not trying to do, necessarily, is start an argument or even say that Dreamscarred Press is bad. It's quite well done, mechanically. But it is not what the OP asked for. Hence, why I offered advice for a Kineticist built like a Sith Lord. My comment to you was intended to be a little snarky; I would hope removing the response wouldn't make it less so, or I wouldn't have done a very good job.
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As for your questions of focusing on elements later on, I'd suggest grabbing a focus in Aether and Air, assuming you stick with those two for the build. If not, pick two and just boost them as you level up. You generally get better results from focusing than shopping around in Pathfinder. Aetheric boost would help with "lightsaber" damage if you chose to use Aether for it, and Force Blast also allows for just slamming enemies with the Force. Thudnerstorm Blast could be interesting too, something like the ability from The Force Unleashed that allows for combining a force push with lightning? Feats I'd suggest to just use for making your blasts as strong as you can. Taking Extra Wild Talent probably isn't a bad idea either, just to get absolutely everything to make you a Sith Lord. Unfortunately Deadly Aim wouldn't work with the blasts you're planning on using, although I believe Power Attack would work with Kinetic Blade, if you had the room for 13 Strength.
Amora games has a class called the Mystic. You can choose between fire, earth, wind, water and force at character creation. Force is neat because it is filled with telekinesis and mind altering effects, which is perfect for running any force user. They also don't have to worry about burning themselves out.
As a bonus, they can use the weapon they wish to use instead of worrying about whether to use a sword or energy blade.
Kinetic jump would something to look at as well
For another feat suggestion you should think about Iron Will/Greater Iron Will. Besides the obvious mechanical benefits of shoring up your weak save there is the sheer roleplay aspect of it - Sith Lords are not mental pushovers.
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Too bad kineticists don't get mind-affecting powers.
If you're willing to go 3P, Kineticist of Porphyra has Sound which does include some mind affecting things, making aether/sound a really nice combination as long as you're not too addicted to force lightning. Or snag air as the third element, and go for aetheric boost/resonant amplification lighting blast.
Too bad kineticists don't get mind-affecting powers.If you're willing to go 3P, Kineticist of Porphyra has Sound which does include some mind affecting things, making aether/sound a really nice combination as long as you're not too addicted to force lightning. Or snag air as the third element, and go for aetheric boost/resonant amplification lighting blast.
It does sound interesting! Thanks!
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I am still waiting for Paizo to publish a magic item that allows persistent kinetic blade, possibly also adding +X enhancement modifiers to hit and damage. you can jedi or sith without a lightsaber, but come on, who'd take you seriously without one?
I hate to shill again, but Kineticist of Porphyra actually does have an archetype that allows a consistent Kinetic Blade (that can be upgraded to kinetic whip eventually) with the Kinetict Duelist archetype. No +X bonuses sadly, but you can really fix that through elemental overflow, so it works all the same. It would give you a permanent lightsaber from level 1, which should be aces for any jedi or sith.
It also allows for some fun with sick charge attacks as well as eventual dual wielding blades. So a sound kineticist with Kinetic Duelist would actually have a blade made of pure vibrations (the kind that destabilize molecular bonds, especially with Destabilizing Infusion) that could work as a very nice lightsaber proxy, especially with some mind effecting stuff to help for the other ends. Going telekineticist after that would help make a perfect jedi, but the statements about sith lightning stand as a third element decision.
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Kind of annoyed now, that sounds like a lot of fun. but in the past 14 years of on again, off again gaming i have run into exactly one GM who was cool with 3PP. honestly i try to not even look at the stuff since its like finding a friggin winged unicorn when looking for a 3PP friendly GM in my experience.
It's all good, I used to be the same way, and 3P content has a lot of hit or miss in it, so really it's worth it to get whatever you're thinking about using to your GM so they can see if it works for their game. I will admit in the past few years a lot of 3P content has stepped up balance wise, so it's really all about making sure you're checking out stuff that's coming from places with a history of good content and from writers you trust, like one of the writers of the best class guides in pathfinder.
Any other non-3PP recommendations? I was building a water and ice hydrokineticist but Sith Lord sounds so much more endearing
