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So I heard from someone that all the iconics are considered 'grand lodge' for game effects to make things easy. However, let's pretend that the iconics were characters played by real PFS players for a sec. Which factions would each one belong to based on their backstories and character theme?
To be clear, you COULD choose grand lodge for a character, if that fits the theme the best, but it doesn't HAVE to be grand lodge.
Like, I am pretty sure that Lem would be liberty's edge, as he is an escaped Chellish slave, and subsequently hates slavery and sides with the downtrodden. Amari might also be liberty's edge because her tribe was all about strict gender rolls in society that she wished to challenge, and it ended up costing her dearly.
I dunno, what do you guys think?
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Seoni: Probably the exchange because of her varisian roots
Seltyiel: Dark archive for obvious reasons about obscure knowledge and no qualms on how you get it
Kyra: Silver Crusade obviously
Lem: Liberty's Edge as an escaped slave is a natural choice
Amiri: Probably Grand Lodge, she doesn't seem too inclined to follow any specific faction
Damiel: Dark Archive (they don't ask too many questions)
Ezren: Grand Lodge
Harsk: Grand Lodge
Merisiel: The Exchange
Alain: Sovereign Court
Feiya: Probably Dark Archive (see Damiel for the reason)
Alahazra: Scarab Sages
Valeros: The Exchange (he's a mercenary by trade)
Seelah: Silver Crusade (duh!)
Sajan: Scarab Sages or Grand Lodge
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This seems fun, I'll start with the Core Iconics.
Seoni: Grand Lodge, she seems like a team player
Ezren: Grand Lodge
Amiri: Grand Lodge
Lem: Liberty's Edge
Seelah: Silver Crusade
Kyra: Silver Crusade, trying to recruit Merisiel
Merisiel: Exchange, trying to recruit Kyra
Valeros: Grand Lodge, seems like the sort to put his friends first
Lini: Grand Lodge
Harsk: Grand Lodge
Sajan: Grand Lodge
I guess the Core Iconics really strike me as Grand Lodgers.
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What about Yoon?
I don't know about Yoon, nothing screams much about her so I'd probably default to grand lodge.
Eramus (medium) though channels the spirits of his noble family to reclaim his seat from his brother who imprisioned him in an asylym. Sovereign Court
Marvo (Occultist) travels the world looking for artifacts of dangerous and wonderous power to study: Dark Archive
Estra (Spiritualist) Strangely enough, she's a kind old woman who seeks to redeem herself of her past transgressions by honestly working to help people, like her dead husband did. Silver Crusade
This seems fun, I'll start with the Core Iconics.
Sajan: Grand Lodge
I guess the Core Iconics really strike me as Grand Lodgers.
I think that Sajan would be Scarb sages. He is all about finding his sister, true, but behind that there is the training to perfect his mind and body, much like the scarab sages and their attempts to re-create the jeweled sage order.
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Next up I'm going to lump the APG, UC, and UM iconics into one post.
Alain: I'm probably going to have to go with Sovereign Court here, seems like the best fit to me.
Alhazra: Grand Lodge
Balthazar(sp?): Dark Archive?
Damiel: Dark Archive
Feiya: Grand Lodge?
Imrijika: Silver Crusade? Not sure where the Inquisitor of Pharasma belongs.
Hayato: Sovereign Court seems like a good fit.
Reiko: Sovereign Court
Lirianne: Grand Lodge
Seltyiel: Dark Archive, easy.
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Next up I'm going to lump the APG, UC, and UM iconics into one post.
Alain: I'm probably going to have to go with Sovereign Court here, seems like the best fit to me.
Alhazra: Grand Lodge
Balthazar(sp?): Dark Archive?
Damiel: Dark Archive
Feiya: Grand Lodge?
Imrijika: Silver Crusade? Not sure where the Inquisitor of Pharasma belongs.
Hayato: Sovereign Court seems like a good fit.
Reiko: Sovereign Court
Lirianne: Grand Lodge
Seltyiel: Dark Archive, easy.
Read Reiko's backstory. Her and her entire family were forced into indentured servitude to build a giant statue for some feudal lord while they basically starved to death (because they couldn't farm or fish.) She learned how to be a ninja from her mom who was trying to disrupt the plans so that the lord would call it a wash and let everyone get back to their lives. Instead, the lord killed her and tried to kill Reiko
I'm thinking liberty's edge
Additionally, Feiya was kidnapped by some hags and, quite against her will, was being forcefully converted into a hag. She managed to escape, and has vowed to prevent such evil from every befalling anyone else. Silver crusade or liberty's edge
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The PFS versions are LN instead.hey, if pcs can be "N" .... :)
Let's not turn this into an alignment thread. Or a 'why is CN allowed in PFS, but not LE." Those threads bug the crap out of me, and tend to devolve into people shouting at each other about how terrible the alignment system is, and someone arguing that the Joker from Batman is LG.
Let's just . . . let's just avoid that.
Suffice it to say, the PFS versions of the iconic mesmerist and Magus are Neutral.
Speaking of, I thing the iconic mesmerist would probably be Sovereign court, he seems to like being waited on and treats those of 'lower' station as chattel.
As for the last occult class, Rivani seems like a Scarab Sage. The dedication to knowledge and knowing oneself seems to gel nicely with the whole 'jeweled sages' thing.
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Let's not turn this into an alignment thread. Or a 'why is CN allowed in PFS, but not LE." Those threads bug the crap out of me, and tend to devolve into people shouting at each other about how terrible the alignment system is, and someone arguing that the Joker from Batman is LG.
Relax, it was just a standard jab at the sociopathic murderhobo tendancies of adventurers treating everything in the world that isn't them like they're not real.
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Vamp, you should probably dial it back a bit, you're kind of taking this thread pretty seriously...
Sorry, working late on some homework assignments and I'm coming back to this thread to let my brain cool down. High amounts of stress=low amounts of pleasantries, I apologize, I didn't mean to come off like I'm taking it to seriously.
On a side note, I have seen threads devolve into alignment shouting-matches disturbingly quickly, so I thought I'd try to quash that a bit forcefully. Again, sorry if I'm coming across a bit too serious.
No one mentioned Shardra!
Shardra: Scarab Sages
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Shardra: Dark Archive
Those are the ones I'm seeing, anyone have other thoughts? She doesn't strike me as a Grand Lodge or Sovereign Court sort, and an Exchange-style mercantile fiasco erupted in her backstory so I don't see her looking to them?
I'd argue Scarab Sages over Dark Archive, but it is certainly open to interpretation. I mean, she is into lore (being a lore shaman and all) but she's much more about the lore than the objects. Plus Dwarves love gems! So she'd obviously be attracted to the shinies (j/k)
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Plus Dwarves love gems! So she'd obviously be attracted to the shinies (j/k)
In Shardra's backstory folks wanted to plunder the shinies from a sacred spot she had found. Things went sideways pretty quickly, and she pretty much told all the parties to shove themselves where the sun don't shine (no, not the Underdark) if memory serves?
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Anyway, going back to the fun part of the thread... ACG Iconics.
Enora: Dark Archives, possibly Scarab Sages for the knowledge angle.
Crowe: Grand Lodge
Kess: Grand Lodge
Adowyn: Grand Lodge
Quinn: Silver Crusade
Shardra: Grand Lodge
Hakon: Grand Lodge
Jirelle: Grand Lodge. Could possibly see Liberty's Edge as a fit, but not that well.
Oloch: Grand Lodge
Zadim: Grand Lodge. Probably a bit too murderful for Silver Crusade, the other faction I thought about for him.
Not a lot of standouts in this group, a lot of them seem to be poor fits for factions other than Grand Lodge. I stand by my earlier assessment of Sovereign Court for Reiko, someone who has felt the tyranny of bad nobility would back a faction that is seeking to unite good nobility to uphold the virtues that good rulers should represent. Looking back, I would say Hayato is probably a beter fit in the Silver Crusade.
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Crowe: Liberty's Edge: The wild freedom of the storm sings in his veins.
Kess: The Exchange: Because she's a pit fighter capable of winning purses.
Adowyn: The Exchange: She works as a bounty hunter.
Jirelle: Silver Crusade: She unleashed a horrific evil on the Shackles, and now works to find good folks to get rid of it.
Oloch: Possibly Liberty's Edge, because he really doesn't like the strong picking on those that are beneath them?
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Anyway, going back to the fun part of the thread... ACG Iconics.
Enora: Dark Archives, possibly Scarab Sages for the knowledge angle.
Crowe: Grand Lodge
Kess: Grand Lodge
Adowyn: Grand Lodge
Quinn: Silver Crusade
Shardra: Grand Lodge
Hakon: Grand Lodge
Jirelle: Grand Lodge. Could possibly see Liberty's Edge as a fit, but not that well.
Oloch: Grand Lodge
Zadim: Grand Lodge. Probably a bit too murderful for Silver Crusade, the other faction I thought about for him.
Not a lot of standouts in this group, a lot of them seem to be poor fits for factions other than Grand Lodge. I stand by my earlier assessment of Sovereign Court for Reiko, someone who has felt the tyranny of bad nobility would back a faction that is seeking to unite good nobility to uphold the virtues that good rulers should represent. Looking back, I would say Hayato is probably a beter fit in the Silver Crusade.
I see your point on a lot of those, but I'd argue some others.
Kess: In a weird twist, I could actually see Soverign Court, as her backstory is all about being sick and tired of the aristocricy imposing what she can and can't do. Reforming how the nobility works is a large part of the court.
Shandra: We were discussing Dark Archive or Scarab Sages above
Jirelle: Liberty's edge fits her well, I think. In a 'everyone should be free to do what they will' sort of way.
Zadim Is basically a dawnflower assassin. I can see him being part of the darker side of the Silver Crusade, with them basically sending him in when there is a great evil that would need to be eliminated-at any cost. Somewhere where their bright and shiny law-abiding paladins might have some reservations about doing the deeds. Or when they just need an evil guy killed subtly.
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Hmmmm, good question. Let's start with the Cores:
Amiri: Of them, only the Grand Lodge and Liberty's Edge seem to interest her. The Grand Lodge would probably interest her in giving her a new beginning, but Liberty's Edge would appeal to her sense of breaking traditions. In the interest of diversity, I'll go with Liberty's Edge.
Lem: Almost no contest here - Liberty's Edge. Having been a house slave himself, he'd be all about sticking it to the Thrunies.
Kyra: Several ways we can go here. She's Qadiran, so that would stereotypically stick her in the Exchange, but I don't get a real mercantile vibe from her. Scarab Sages is Osiriani, not Qadiran, but I could see her fitting in well in that area. I could also see her working with the Sovereign Court to establish a beneficent empire. Honestly, though, I think she fits best into the Silver Crusade, ready to use the Society to do good in Sarenrae's name.
Lini: Lini's call to adventure came from one of the Norns of the forest, so I don't really see her interested in politics all that much. Honestly, that screams Grand Lodge to me.
Valeros: He's an Andoran and a devout Caydenite, so he's also easily a Liberty's Edge supporter.
Sajan: He's all about finding his twin sister, so I don't think he's all that concerned about politics. Scarab Sages or the Dark Archive would be good choices. Either of them might be able to help him find Sajni. It's basically a coin flip, and a personal determination on how far Sajan is willing to go to find his long lost sister. I'm going to go with Scarab Sages, though this was a tough choice..
Seelah: Another no brainer - she's Silver Crusade all the way.
Harsk: He's all about atoning for failing his brother, and doesn't really have any big ambitions beyond that. He'd probably view the other factions as extremes of one sort or another, and end up with the Grand Lodge.
Merisiel: She's concerned with making money, so I feel like she's definitely bound for the less-than-legal side of The Exchange.
Seoni: A control freak and attempting to control the magic that flows within her veins and glows upon her tattoos? Sounds like she'd find a lot in common with the Dark Archive.
Ezren: He's the iconic that wanted to be in the Pathfinders so badly, it actually shows up in his story, so I feel like assigning him to anything but Grand Lodge is a mistake.
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APG Iconics:
Damiel: This guy's no stranger to forbidden research. I feel like he's a natural for the Dark Archive, especially since part of him is remorseful for what he has done as the Change. He knows better than most that there are things that need to be controlled, so he'd be on board with securing them and locking them away so that the appropriate people (i.e., him) can research them.
Alain: As a minor Taldane noble, he seems a natural fit for the Sovereign Court, but I don't really see him interested in Lady Morilla's vision. He's not big on diplomacy, only giving orders. Honestly, I think the faction that suits him best is The Exchange - he's a self-made man, and has earned the honorifics he sports. He's not so interested in their mercantile bent as the prestige those pursuits can earn him.
Imrijka: She's a scholar, and has a mysterious entity interested in her from birth. I feel like she'd also be good for the Dark Archive, but for completely different reasons than Damiel.
Alahazra: While she's not Osiriani, I could definitely see her in the Scarab Sages - her backstory even suggests she spent some time in the Ruby Prince's court. She's also opposed to injustice and intolerance, suggesting that the Sovereign Court and Shining Crusade might be good choices as well. I'm going with my gut instinct, though - Scarab Sages makes too much sense for her.
Balazar: Man, I need to stop giving the iconics from this book over to the Dark Archive, but this guy is also a natural. He's familiar with really weird and dangerous artifacts and rituals, and probably empathizes with the Paracountess' trials and tribulations with her home nation.
Feiya: I don't really see any of the factions appealing to her. The only one that comes close is Dark Archive, but I feel like spending too much time with those damned artifacts would bring back memories of the cruelties she suffered at the hands of the hags. I'd actually go with the Grand Lodge for her.
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UC Iconics:
Lirianne: She's an adventurer living the dream, freed from the mundane responsibilities of her homeland by a freak arcanostorm. I think she'd do well in the Silver Crusade, as it would satisfy her need to see the world beyond Alkenstar, but also let her be the storybook hero she's always wanted to be.
Reiko: The last line of her backstory states she settled in Andoran after leaving Minkai, and is trying to contact a secret branch of the Eagle Knights, probably the Twilight Talons. I'd definitely place her in Liberty's Edge, as they need some people who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty in making a better world.
Hayato: The honorable ronin is probably the best candidate I've seen for the Sovereign Court. I can see Hayato trying to create a new empire to honor his fallen lord, and Lady Morilla would be a good lord for him to swear his fealty to.
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UM Iconic:
Seltyiel: But first, he would have power... Yeah, if that's not him first in line to sign up for the Dark Archive, I don't know who that could be.
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ACG Iconics:
Enora: She's a loremaster, and also spent time in Sothis. I feel like that definitely places her in with the Scarab Sages.
Crowe: Again, I don't see him as being too beholden to politics or idealistic beliefs, so I think he'd be a Grand Lodge member.
Kess: Like Alain, she's a highborn Taldane with no interest in the nobility game, so the Sovereign Court is out. She might get along well in Liberty's Edge, since she's all about living your life however you want, though I don't see her being as into the faction's ideals as Lem or Valeros. Still, it probably suits her the best.
Adowyn: She's a bounty hunter, so her reasons for adventuring are a bit more mercantile than other iconics. I can see her in the Exchange for that reason more easily than any of the others.
Quinn: More than most iconics, Quinn is all about ensuring that justice - true justice - is done. He would get along very well in the Silver Crusade. He'd also get along well in the Sovereign Court, but he's not necessarily predisposed to the ruling elite, no matter how well-intentioned they may be, so I'm placing him in the Crusade.
Shardra Geltl: Shardra's not that interested in the world at hand, and more intrigued by the world that was. I can see her in either the Grand Lodge or the Scarab Sages, but I think the Sages, with their ideology of making certain that the wisdom of the past is used by responsible people, would appeal to her, given her own complicated history.
Hakon: He's all about becoming as large a hero as the legends he's touched, I see him as joining the Silver Crusade as well, though he's in it for glory, not altruism. I don't see him nearly as forgiving as Seelah or Kyra would be, but he's definitely on the side of angels. Liberty's Edge would also be a good idea, but I don't see him as interested in abolition as some other iconics. I don't think he agrees with slavery, but I don't think abolitionism is something that drives him, so I'd place him with the Crusade as well.
Zadim: This one's tricky, since we don't know whether Zadim spared Gordreth the Butcher's life or not. To me, his presence in the Pathfinders suggests that he turned his back on his masters in the Cult of the Dawnflower, and signed on with the Decemvirate. The obvious choice would be The Exchange, but I think he'd be wary of the morally ambiguous faction, given how his previous handlers treated him. Likewise, a lifetime of work against the Taldane power structure would probably sour him against the Sovereign Court. Liberty's Edge might be his best choice - they have need for people with his specific set of skills, and their goals are noble enough to perhaps redeem his own soul for his past deeds.
Jirelle: Her reason for adventuring is simple - earn enough coin to get a crew that will help her sink the Bloodcrow and put her mother's spirit to rest. If she wants money, then she'd do well in the Exchange.
Oloch: Oloch's a remarkably simple creature - might makes right, and he's not interested in weak concepts like "mercy." None of the factions really speak to him, so I think the Grand Lodge would be the best fit for him.
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ACG Iconics:
Kess: Like Alain, she's a highborn Taldane with no interest in the nobility game, so the Sovereign Court is out. She might get along well in Liberty's Edge, since she's all about living your life however you want, though I don't see her being as into the faction's ideals as Lem or Valeros. Still, it probably suits her the best.
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I see what you're saying, but I argued that Kess might be, ironically, Sovereign court. Remember, she is dissatisfied with how the current system of nobility works, and wants would be overjoyed to change it. And what does the court want to do? Re-order the nobility system. I think Kess might like the chance to join the court just so she could get her two cents in when the system gets overhauled.
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Yoon is Lantern Lodge because Eastern. I know that faction is retired, but Yoon already throws out the age rule, so we might as well toss the whole book.
Also do I get a merit badge for starting an alignment kerfuffle?
No, but according to the drinking game everyone takes a shot!
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Yoon is Lantern Lodge because Eastern. I know that faction is retired, but Yoon already throws out the age rule, so we might as well toss the whole book.
Also do I get a merit badge for starting an alignment kerfuffle?
The faction is only retired for PC use... the Lantern Lodge itself and our favorite Tianese bard who leads it continues to be active in the world background.
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The faction is only retired for PC use... the Lantern Lodge itself and our favorite Tianese bard who leads it continues to be active in the world background.Yoon is Lantern Lodge because Eastern. I know that faction is retired, but Yoon already throws out the age rule, so we might as well toss the whole book.
Also do I get a merit badge for starting an alignment kerfuffle?
Actually, I don't think that's true anymore. When the faction was retired, she was made an official venture-captain and got her own lodge. She basically achieved her faction's goals: she was accepted into the pathfinders.
With the exception of Zarta (and Valsin), none of the faction leaders are actual pathfinders . . . they are just associates.
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Amara Li has always been a Venture Captain, as far as we know. She's mentioned for the first time in Penumbral Accords wherein we also get a small tidbit about the Lodge. There she's just called a donor, but in her formal introduction at the beginning of First Steps II she's ecxplicitely called a VC.
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You were assuming of course that they are Pathfinder Society Members at all right? Last I checked (as of the ACG) the only pregen with connections to the Society is Ezren, who wants to be a Pathfinder, but hasn't been accepted...
Who said they are Grand Lodge? -.-
Also, on the side conversation, I thought the Lantern Lodge story ender had them uniting with another Tian Xa organization and leaving the society or something.
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The Lantern Lodge transitions from a minor faction and special interest into a fully recognized branch of the Pathfinder Society that might oversee even greater projects in Tian Xia.
I have a few last tasks to conclude before I return to Goka to lead an expanded lodge there-the Society's new regional headquarters. While our accomplishments thus far are great, even greater work lies ahead for me, and I cannot split my attention between the whole of Tian Xia and interests in the Inner Sea. I shall always support you when you are in Tian Xia, but your oaths and obligations to me are now officially fulfilled.
In other words, the Gokan lodge is transformed into a Tian PFS HQ and Lantern Lodge's focus shifts from the Inner Sea into Tian Xia as it is no longer needed there.