Can someone translate this into meaningful words for me. I admit to being rather dense so I will not take umbrage at small pretty words... : )
From the Myrmidarch archetype for Magus in Ultimate Combat:
<Ranged Spellstrike (Su): At 4th level, a myrmidarch can
use spellstrike to cast a single-target touch attack ranged
spell and deliver it through a ranged weapon attack. Even if
the spell can normally affect multiple targets, only a single
missile, ray, or effect accompanies the attack.>
I assume this means that a ranged touch attack spell such as Scorching Ray or Disintegration can be cast through a bow.... Or is it a shocking grasp cast at range?
<At 11th level, a myrmidarch using a multiple-target
spell with this ability may deliver one ray or line of effect
with each attack when using a full-attack action, up to
the maximum allowed by the spell (in the case of ray
effects). Any effects not used in the round the spell is cast
are lost. This ability replaces spell recall and improved
spell recall.>
Here I am specifically confused by the "or line of effect" statement. What does that mean? Are they trying to say you can cast a line spell such as Lightning Bolt. If that's the case if I'm 11th lvl and have 2 attacks a round does that mean that each arrow I fire can do 1d8 + 10d6 Rflx 1/2 .....?
If it isnt saying that then what is it saying? What does deliver a line of effect mean? How does this ability at 11th level apply to anything other than scorching ray... Surely they didnt create an ability for just that one spell?
Any help appreciated.
Thank you
Can someone translate this into meaningful words for me. I admit to being rather dense so I will not take umbrage at small pretty words... : )
From the Myrmidarch archetype for Magus in Ultimate Combat:
<Ranged Spellstrike (Su): At 4th level, a myrmidarch can
use spellstrike to cast a single-target touch attack ranged
spell and deliver it through a ranged weapon attack. Even if
the spell can normally affect multiple targets, only a single
missile, ray, or effect accompanies the attack.>I assume this means that a ranged touch attack spell such as Scorching Ray or Disintegration can be cast through a bow.... Or is it a shocking grasp cast at range?
You can cast Scorching Ray as Spellstrike with a longbow, but you get only one ray, and it's hitchhiking on your arrow.
<At 11th level, a myrmidarch using a multiple-target
spell with this ability may deliver one ray or line of effect
with each attack when using a full-attack action, up to
the maximum allowed by the spell (in the case of ray
effects). Any effects not used in the round the spell is cast
are lost. This ability replaces spell recall and improved
spell recall.>
You can cast Scorching Ray, with a number of arrow/rays equal to your maximum number of rays or your total number of attacks in a full round action, whichever is less.
You can't use Shocking Grasp with either of these abilities, as SG is a melee touch, while the abilities specifically apply to ranged touch spells.
Can someone translate this into meaningful words for me. I admit to being rather dense so I will not take umbrage at small pretty words... : )
From the Myrmidarch archetype for Magus in Ultimate Combat:
<Ranged Spellstrike (Su): At 4th level, a myrmidarch can
use spellstrike to cast a single-target touch attack ranged
spell and deliver it through a ranged weapon attack. Even if
the spell can normally affect multiple targets, only a single
missile, ray, or effect accompanies the attack.>I assume this means that a ranged touch attack spell such as Scorching Ray or Disintegration can be cast through a bow.... Or is it a shocking grasp cast at range?
You can cast Scorching Ray as Spellstrike with a longbow, but you get only one ray, and it's hitchhiking on your arrow.
<At 11th level, a myrmidarch using a multiple-target
spell with this ability may deliver one ray or line of effect
with each attack when using a full-attack action, up to
the maximum allowed by the spell (in the case of ray
effects). Any effects not used in the round the spell is cast
are lost. This ability replaces spell recall and improved
spell recall.>You can cast Scorching Ray, with a number of arrow/rays equal to your maximum number of rays or your total number of attacks in a full round action, whichever is less.
You can't use Shocking Grasp with either of these abilities, as SG is a melee touch, while the abilities specifically apply to ranged touch spells.
Thanks for your swift response... What can you tell me about the second portion that is confusing me... the part dealing with "line of effect"?
What can you tell me about the second portion that is confusing me... the part dealing with "line of effect"?
Line of Effect: A line of effect is a straight, unblocked path that indicates what a spell can affect. A line of effect is canceled by a solid barrier. It’s like line of sight for ranged weapons, except that it’s not blocked by fog, darkness, and other factors that limit normal sight.
You must have a clear line of effect to any target that you cast a spell on or to any space in which you wish to create an effect. You must have a clear line of effect to the point of origin of any spell you cast.
A burst, cone, cylinder, or emanation spell affects only an area, creature, or object to which it has line of effect from its origin (a spherical burst’s center point, a coneshaped burst’s starting point, a cylinder’s circle, or an emanation’s point of origin).
An otherwise solid barrier with a hole of at least 1 square foot through it does not block a spell’s line of effect. Such an opening means that the 5-foot length of wall containing the hole is no longer considered a barrier for purposes of a spell’s line of effect.
Let's say you have a cone of fear which has a coneshaped line of effect out to 60 feet. There are four creatures within that cone. You could make one free attack using your highest base attack bonus to affect whichever one of those creatures you want. I'm pretty sure that's how it is intended to be used. I still may not be getting it right with how it is used, but I'm pretty sure I at least successfully answered your line of effect question. =\
What can you tell me about the second portion that is confusing me... the part dealing with "line of effect"?Line of Effect: A line of effect is a straight, unblocked path that indicates what a spell can affect. A line of effect is canceled by a solid barrier. It’s like line of sight for ranged weapons, except that it’s not blocked by fog, darkness, and other factors that limit normal sight.
You must have a clear line of effect to any target that you cast a spell on or to any space in which you wish to create an effect. You must have a clear line of effect to the point of origin of any spell you cast.
A burst, cone, cylinder, or emanation spell affects only an area, creature, or object to which it has line of effect from its origin (a spherical burst’s center point, a coneshaped burst’s starting point, a cylinder’s circle, or an emanation’s point of origin).
An otherwise solid barrier with a hole of at least 1 square foot through it does not block a spell’s line of effect. Such an opening means that the 5-foot length of wall containing the hole is no longer considered a barrier for purposes of a spell’s line of effect.
Let's say you have a cone of fear which has a coneshaped line of effect out to 60 feet. There are four creatures within that cone. You could make one free attack using your highest base attack bonus to affect whichever one of those creatures you want. I'm pretty sure that's how it is intended to be used. I still may not be getting it right with how it is used, but I'm pretty sure I at least successfully answered your line of effect question. =\
Ok, I think I understand what you're saying. Let me give an example and you tell me if I have it or not.
I am a 10th lvl Myrmidarch Magus I cast Fireball through my Bow and fire on the four men in front of me. I do 1d8 + 10d6 Rflx 1/2 to the two I can possibly hit (I have two attacks per round).....
I am a 10th lvl Myrmidarch Magus I cast Scorching Ray through my Bow and fire on the four men in front of me. I do 1d8 + 10d6 Rflx 1/2 to the two I can possibly hit (I have two attacks per round and I conjure two rays because of level).....
OK, if I have those two correct can I cast my Fireball and fire both my arrows at the same person? Or can you only hit a person once with the effect (since the fireball would only have hit them once...) Not wanting to cheese just trying for clarity sorry for the density ...
Thanks again
Ok, I think I understand what you're saying. Let me give an example and you tell me if I have it or not.
I am a 10th lvl Myrmidarch Magus I cast Fireball through my Bow and fire on the four men in front of me. I do 1d8 + 10d6 Rflx 1/2 to the two I can possibly hit (I have two attacks per round).....
I am a 10th lvl Myrmidarch Magus I cast Scorching Ray through my...
I think you're spot on with your examples. Normally, Spellstrike is one attack and one touch spell. In the case of the Myrmidarch, it is however many attacks you get in conjunction with however many targets you can hit with the spell, as long as it is the same number of attacks/targets. The whole point is to get to use your weapon's attack bonus to pull of the spell instead of how it is normally cast.
As far as your other question, I'm pretty sure it's only one attack at your highest bab for only one ranged target, just like the normal Spellstrike ability. You can only have multiple attacks if there are multiple targets that can all be affected by your spell. Then again, if it's something like a ray spell, I don't see why you can't shoot two attacks/rays at one person if you have to waste a full attack. Line of effect spells might not work the same way since you can't target one creature in an area effect more than once.
I'm pretty sure we're on the right track. Now let's just hope no one else comes along and points out that we are completely wrong.
Thanks for your swift response... What can you tell me about the second portion that is confusing me... the part dealing with "line of effect"?Can someone translate this into meaningful words for me. I admit to being rather dense so I will not take umbrage at small pretty words... : )
From the Myrmidarch archetype for Magus in Ultimate Combat:
<Ranged Spellstrike (Su): At 4th level, a myrmidarch can
use spellstrike to cast a single-target touch attack ranged
spell and deliver it through a ranged weapon attack. Even if
the spell can normally affect multiple targets, only a single
missile, ray, or effect accompanies the attack.>I assume this means that a ranged touch attack spell such as Scorching Ray or Disintegration can be cast through a bow.... Or is it a shocking grasp cast at range?
You can cast Scorching Ray as Spellstrike with a longbow, but you get only one ray, and it's hitchhiking on your arrow.
<At 11th level, a myrmidarch using a multiple-target
spell with this ability may deliver one ray or line of effect
with each attack when using a full-attack action, up to
the maximum allowed by the spell (in the case of ray
effects). Any effects not used in the round the spell is cast
are lost. This ability replaces spell recall and improved
spell recall.>You can cast Scorching Ray, with a number of arrow/rays equal to your maximum number of rays or your total number of attacks in a full round action, whichever is less.
You can't use Shocking Grasp with either of these abilities, as SG is a melee touch, while the abilities specifically apply to ranged touch spells.
I think it's referring to ranged touch attacks that aren't rays. Nothing says it doesn't have to be a touch attack. And fireball sure isn't a touch attack.
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I have a few questions along these lines.
1) Can you use ranged-spellstrike and spell combat? Would you need quickdraw to do so? For instance, could you make a full-attack with a bow and then use this? Or attack one foe with a full-attack and then use ranges spell-strike on a foe behind you, provied you were willing to take the A.O.E?
2) Can you use ranged-spellstrike with a throwing weapon, I.E a throwing knife?
3) Can you use the imbume spell power of the arcane archer with spell-combat?
I have a few questions along these lines.
1) Can you use ranged-spellstrike and spell combat? Would you need quickdraw to do so? For instance, could you make a full-attack with a bow and then use this? Or attack one foe with a full-attack and then use ranges spell-strike on a foe behind you, provied you were willing to take the A.O.E?
2) Can you use ranged-spellstrike with a throwing weapon, I.E a throwing knife?
3) Can you use the imbume spell power of the arcane archer with spell-combat?
1- I don't believe you need to get Quickdraw to draw ammunition for a bow for a full attack action, and spell combat includes in its description the fact that is can be used with spell-strike attacks... but in doing so specifically calls out melee attacks in the mechanic. So I'd say RAW no, but I'd be willing to houserule a yes for the archetype because essentially their entire intent is to be 'bow magus'
2- "ranged weapon attack" so yes, thrown weapons work
3- hard to say... Arcane archer can imbue area spells, ranged spell strike seems to limit itself to non area spells, so they probably can't be combined.