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Being pre-TNG pretty much guarantees no Romulans though, as there had been no contact with the Romulan Star Empire with a Federation Vessel for 50 years before the Season 1 TNG episode The Neutral Zone.
I think ST:TNG did overstate that in the first season. The Battle of Narendra III referenced in "Yesterday's Enterprise" seems to be the last major contact between the Federation and Klingson and the Romulans, and that was 20 years before ST:TNG rather than 50. The fact that the Federation goes from having 0 information on the Romulans in Season 1 to having detailed biographies of the Romulan government in Season 5 also seems rather unlikely. I think the "No contact" thing may have been retconned a bit even before TNG was over.
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I like the decisions being made so far... BUT I dislike CBS and their iron handed approach to the IP across the board.
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1) Set in the original timeline, not the Abramsverse (as mentioned earlier, CBS don't have the rights to the Abramsverse without doing a new deal with Paramount).Fine by me
not by me. Still, I will not dismiss it out of hand. It will certainly make my wife happy.
The only thing that pleases me about CBS right now is their decision to toss away the poorly made Abramsverse. May it rest in peace.
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The only thing that pleases me about CBS right now is their decision to toss away the poorly made Abramsverse. May it rest in peace.
It will be back. In fact it hasn't gone anywhere(pun not intended).
Yeah ...
I'm a HUGE Star Trek fan, and I would love to see a new Star Trek Series on TV. But not on yet another freaking pay network! Put this on actual network television and I will happily watch every episode.
But, not CBS All Access. Not another pay service! No thanks!
It's a shame too, because otherwise, I'd be SUPER excited out this ..
Oh well
I feel the same way. I'm barely affording what I have now, and adding another pay service is something I just can't put in my budget. Looks like I'll be missing this one.
So you prefer abramsverse to trek?It will be back. In fact it hasn't gone anywhere(pun not intended).The only thing that pleases me about CBS right now is their decision to toss away the poorly made Abramsverse. May it rest in peace.
To be fair with the exception of Wrath, all of the Star Trek movies have been the same level of mediocre to crapola.
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To be fair with the exception of Wrath, all of the Star Trek movies have been the same level of mediocre to crapola.So you prefer abramsverse to trek?It will be back. In fact it hasn't gone anywhere(pun not intended).The only thing that pleases me about CBS right now is their decision to toss away the poorly made Abramsverse. May it rest in peace.
Undiscovered Country and First Contact were both pretty good.
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Undiscovered Country and First Contact were both pretty good.To be fair with the exception of Wrath, all of the Star Trek movies have been the same level of mediocre to crapola.So you prefer abramsverse to trek?It will be back. In fact it hasn't gone anywhere(pun not intended).The only thing that pleases me about CBS right now is their decision to toss away the poorly made Abramsverse. May it rest in peace.
+1.
I will stop what I am doing to watch undiscovered country.
Freehold, you know about Star Trek: Phase II and Star Continues, right? I am very curious about your opinion, and will provide links if necessary. :)
Link me. Against my better judgment.
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Well, Star Trek Continues is the better fan series imo, but I watched every single episode of Star Trek The New Voyages/Phase II first. Also, sometimes the cast members appear to flit from series to series.
I'd have preferred something with Riker as an admiral or references to Titan to be honest, but if they make it interesting enough, a series between TOS and TNG could be good. Perhaps during the time of rising hostilities between the Federation and the Klingons?
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Freehold, you know about Star Trek: Phase II and Star Continues, right? I am very curious about your opinion, and will provide links if necessary. :)
I'm a huge fan of Star Trek Continues, but Phase II hasn't really lived up to its reputation. They'll throw continuity out an airlock in favor of what they hope will be a good story (I won't spoil anything in case someone is interested in watching it). But ST:C is far and away my favorite, despite the guy play Spock. He does a good job, but his voice grates on my every nerve.
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So you prefer abramsverse to trek?
No. I like the OS (stupid and ridiculous as that could be at times*), TNG, DS9 (my favorite), and some of Enterprise (though I wasn't able to follow this one too well - I may have just gotten lucky in what I saw); otherwise, Wrath of Khan, First Contact, and Star Trek were pretty great movies.
... I thought that Voyager had it's moments as well, and most of the other films had at least something to commend them (though I get a little hazy around 5-6).
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So you prefer abramsverse to trek?No. I like the OS (stupid and ridiculous as that could be at times*), TNG, DS9 (my favorite), and some of Enterprise (though I wasn't able to follow this one too well - I may have just gotten lucky in what I saw); otherwise, Wrath of Khan, First Contact, and Star Trek were pretty great movies.
... I thought that Voyager had it's moments as well, and most of the other films had at least something to commend them (though I get a little hazy around 5-6).
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If you are hazy on 5 and 6 then you should forget that 5 was a movie that ever got made and accept that trek went directly from 4 to 6. Then you should go out IMMEDIATELY and find a discount-bin DVD of trek 6 and watch it TONIGHT. :)
Hah! It's not because I don't remember the films - it's because I never remember which one was which (technically this applied to 4, as well, for the longest time, until finally I remembered it was "that one with whales" some time in the last decade).
If six is not the one directed by Kirk Shatner, than it's the one I like. :)
EDIT: If this seems bizarre (and it is), I just want to mention: I'm dyslexic. I flip, blend, reverse, and otherwise just mix up things all the daggum time, even when I know what I'm talking about.
For example, we were at my Eldest's trike-a-thon today, and all day, I was calling one of his classmates by his name... even though they share exactly zero physical features in common (other than being tiny males). But that's okay, I called another boy (... who shares my name) by the name of a kid I coach in soccer, and I called my son by his teacher's name... who is a woman of a different ethnicity. I'm... not the best with names, sometimes. >.>
It will be back. In fact it hasn't gone anywhere(pun not intended).
This depends on what's going on with the new movie. Paramount have done next to zero promotion for it (a movie out in three months) and there were very strong rumours of it being pushed back until the end of the year, although now it's apparently locked for the summer. The trailer got a negative reception, extra scenes featuring a whole new major protagonist were filmed long after principal photography was completed (which is extremely unusual) and the film had a significant budget cut from the previous one, due to perceived underperformance by Paramount.
If BEYOND does as well as INTO DARKNESS, then there'll be a fourth film (which they already have pencilled in for 2019). If it does much less, the current film incarnation will certainly be terminated and the future of TREK on film becomes questionable.
The only thing that pleases me about CBS right now is their decision to toss away the poorly made Abramsverse. May it rest in peace.
Well, they didn't have the rights to use it in the first place, so I don't think it was ever really an issue :) The Abramsverse will continue to exist in the new movie and possibly further ones, unless they underperform.
CBS has told another fan film franchise to cease and desist.
CBS has told another fan film franchise to cease and desist.
Which one? I know that Axanar isn't the only fan franchise to have gone for a big Kickstarter push. When you start crowdfunding your supposed fan fiction, you're simply asking to wind up on legal crosshairs.
They'll throw continuity out an airlock in favor of what they hope will be a good story
Like what First Contact did with Zephram Cochrane? Or how Star Trek 5 relocated the Great Barrier from the rim of the Galaxy to it's core? About the only shows worse with continuity were Lost in Space, and Doctor Who.
What's wrong with Cochrane?
Watch the original series, read some of the very good expanded universe novels with him as a central character, and you'd understand.
Plus the entire setup of Cochrane's camp simply doesn't make sense. If you're in post apocalypse scenario where camps are just struggling to get by, you're not going to be devoting resources to experimental space stunts.
Cochrane's just the start of the list of things I hate about the movie, and if I went into them, I'd be in full bore rant mode. In short the conduct of the entire Enterprise bridge crew made that movie literally painful to watch.
What's wrong with Cochrane?Watch the original series, read some of the very good expanded universe novels with him as a central character, and you'd understand.
Plus the entire setup of Cochrane's camp simply doesn't make sense. If you're in post apocalypse scenario where camps are just struggling to get by, you're not going to be devoting resources to experimental space stunts.
Cochrane's just the start of the list of things I hate about the movie, and if I went into them, I'd be in full bore rant mode. In short the conduct of the entire Enterprise bridge crew made that movie literally painful to watch.
wow.
What's wrong with Cochrane?Watch the original series, read some of the very good expanded universe novels with him as a central character, and you'd understand.
Plus the entire setup of Cochrane's camp simply doesn't make sense. If you're in post apocalypse scenario where camps are just struggling to get by, you're not going to be devoting resources to experimental space stunts.
Cochrane's just the start of the list of things I hate about the movie, and if I went into them, I'd be in full bore rant mode. In short the conduct of the entire Enterprise bridge crew made that movie literally painful to watch.
TOS pretty well borked Cochrane all by themselves. He was the human who invented warp drive and he was from Alpha Centauri. So yeah... anything TNG did with that was an improvement.
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What's wrong with Cochrane?Watch the original series, read some of the very good expanded universe novels with him as a central character, and you'd understand.
Plus the entire setup of Cochrane's camp simply doesn't make sense. If you're in post apocalypse scenario where camps are just struggling to get by, you're not going to be devoting resources to experimental space stunts.
Cochrane's just the start of the list of things I hate about the movie, and if I went into them, I'd be in full bore rant mode. In short the conduct of the entire Enterprise bridge crew made that movie literally painful to watch.
Honestly, never liked TOS in the least. Movies, yeah. The series I just couldn't stomach. Possibly because I grew up on TNG.
Conduct? Dude? Their future was gone. They had to bring it back. They were surprisingly moral and ethical about it. I'd have incinerated worlds to bring my timeline back.
TOS pretty well borked Cochrane all by themselves. He was the human who invented warp drive and he was from Alpha Centauri. So yeah... anything TNG did with that was an improvement.
Yeah, it's totally impossible for humans to travel a handful of lightyears to colonize nearby solar systems the hard way, prior to the discovery of Warp Drive. No science fiction has ever attempted that before.
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Honestly, never liked TOS in the least. Movies, yeah. The series I just couldn't stomach. Possibly because I grew up on TNG.
Eh, depending on how old you are will really affect your point of view when it comes to TOS. Many of the social issues are non-existent now, and so many other science fiction shows have 'borrowed' from the ideas in TOS and expanded on them in countless ways that the TOS shows likely seem quaint nowadays. Obviously the effects are highly outdated.
Didn't stop it from being the progenitor, or handling issues much better than, oh, Voyager or Enterprise.
Conduct? Dude? Their future was gone. They had to bring it back. They were surprisingly moral and ethical about it. I'd have incinerated worlds to bring my timeline back.
If I knew that 'my' timeline would replace the alternate 'wrong' one, morality would cease to be an issue as "that" timeline would be erased. Unfortunately, ST:NG has shown that this doesn't work, and such 'alternate' timelines still exist, so we'd likely both be horrible monsters accused of countless war crimes against humanity/sapience. Woops.
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I don't expect much of this new series, both with how irritating it is with each new 'interesting' show being on another special network, and with how they are attempting to 'mess' with pre-established universes.
The one good think that the New Trek movies did was outright state in the movie how they were in a separate timeline, and go from there. Don't like what happens? You can safely ignore 'that' universe. So all the crazy wackiness and plot holes that ensue don't affect the 'main' timeline, and I can stomach their ridiculousness.
If they did a new show, I'd like for them to do the same thing. Sequester the "Rodenberry" era Treks into their own timeline (the 'first'), squeeze Voyager and Enterprise into the 'second' verse (DS9, being awesome, can stay in the original timeline with TOS and NG), make the movies into the 'third', and then decide what to do with these others... either their own 'fourth', or place them into Two or Three, depending.
Of course, that'll never happen.
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[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]
Didn't stop it from being the progenitor, or handling issues much better than, oh, Voyager or Enterprise.
Oh hell yes. The later series became much more about maintaining a level of ratings then using science fiction to comment on society.
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TOS pretty well borked Cochrane all by themselves. He was the human who invented warp drive and he was from Alpha Centauri. So yeah... anything TNG did with that was an improvement.Yeah, it's totally impossible for humans to travel a handful of lightyears to colonize nearby solar systems the hard way, prior to the discovery of Warp Drive. No science fiction has ever attempted that before.
Not in the amount of time they gave themselves to do it. The original complaint was one of continuity, not plausibility.
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[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]
[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]
I think you missed my point.
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[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]
Not much more ridiculous than Troi wearing her variant when everyone else on the show, male or female, was wearing the standard Starfleet uniform.
There were actually two instances where that caused my reaction to be exactly the opposite of what seemed to be intended.
1) Some admiral took command of the Enterprise while Picard was on some other mission, and as one of the ways they showed that he was an unreasonable jerk is that he had the nerve to order Troi to actually put on a uniform that conformed to the uniform standards.
2) In the first Ensign Ro episode, Riker jumps down her throat about the Bajoran earrings. Meanwhile, his ex-girlfriend is still wearing what I can only assume to be the official Starfleet slut uniform.
2) In the first Ensign Ro episode, Riker jumps down her throat about the Bajoran earrings. Meanwhile, his ex-girlfriend is still wearing what I can only assume to be the official Starfleet slut uniform.
Your description seems a little harsh.
That doesn't mean that your point is invalid. 7-of-9 could get away with it because (originally) it was medically necessary - and later she was still technically a civilian, so would not be required to wear a uniform.
What's wrong with Cochrane?Watch the original series, read some of the very good expanded universe novels with him as a central character, and you'd understand.
Plus the entire setup of Cochrane's camp simply doesn't make sense. If you're in post apocalypse scenario where camps are just struggling to get by, you're not going to be devoting resources to experimental space stunts.
Cochrane's just the start of the list of things I hate about the movie, and if I went into them, I'd be in full bore rant mode. In short the conduct of the entire Enterprise bridge crew made that movie literally painful to watch.
Honestly, never liked TOS in the least. Movies, yeah. The series I just couldn't stomach. Possibly because I grew up on TNG.
Conduct? Dude? Their future was gone. They had to bring it back. They were surprisingly moral and ethical about it. I'd have incinerated worlds to bring my timeline back.
If you're on a mission to restore your timeline, I'd expect conduct to be a hell of a lot more professional than being a bunch of droopy fanboys, and Picard spent a good deal of time proving that Starfleet was correct in it'd judgement of keeping him from the front line. And where the heck was Beverly when Picard was clearly in total Heroic BSOD mode?
It's not like these folks have never time traveled before.
CBS has told another fan film franchise to cease and desist.Which one? I know that Axanar isn't the only fan franchise to have gone for a big Kickstarter push. When you start crowdfunding your supposed fan fiction, you're simply asking to wind up on legal crosshairs.
Star Trek Horizon sequel.
Ahh, it wasn't an actual cease and desist...CBS executives contacted the producer/filmmaker and said that their legal team "strongly suggested" that they not move forward with the sequel.
[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]Not much more ridiculous than Troi wearing her variant when everyone else on the show, male or female, was wearing the standard Starfleet uniform.
There were actually two instances where that caused my reaction to be exactly the opposite of what seemed to be intended.
1) Some admiral took command of the Enterprise while Picard was on some other mission, and as one of the ways they showed that he was an unreasonable jerk is that he had the nerve to order Troi to actually put on a uniform that conformed to the uniform standards.
2) In the first Ensign Ro episode, Riker jumps down her throat about the Bajoran earrings. Meanwhile, his ex-girlfriend is still wearing what I can only assume to be the official Starfleet slut uniform.
Apparently Roddenberry envisioned a future where clothing wasn't gender specific, but men in Nurse Chapel/Yeomen Rand/Uhura style space miniskirts were never seen again after the TNG pilot.
Much as I liked ST back in the day, what I really want to see before I die is a series of honorverse movies.
"So? Three thousand of them, and twenty of us. Sounds to me like they're in trouble." -- Lady Dame Honor Stephanie Harrington, Steadholder Harrington, Duchess Harrington, Admiral of the Fleet, GSN, Admiral, RMN, etc. etc.
[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]Not much more ridiculous than Troi wearing her variant when everyone else on the show, male or female, was wearing the standard Starfleet uniform.
There were actually two instances where that caused my reaction to be exactly the opposite of what seemed to be intended.
1) Some admiral took command of the Enterprise while Picard was on some other mission, and as one of the ways they showed that he was an unreasonable jerk is that he had the nerve to order Troi to actually put on a uniform that conformed to the uniform standards.
2) In the first Ensign Ro episode, Riker jumps down her throat about the Bajoran earrings. Meanwhile, his ex-girlfriend is still wearing what I can only assume to be the official Starfleet slut uniform.
Apparently Roddenberry envisioned a future where clothing wasn't gender specific, but men in Nurse Chapel/Yeomen Rand/Uhura style space miniskirts were never seen again after the TNG pilot.
Perhaps I was too subtle.
The point I was trying make is that CBS will prostitute the series as much as needed to sell the subscription service.
TOS pretty well borked Cochrane all by themselves. He was the human who invented warp drive and he was from Alpha Centauri. So yeah... anything TNG did with that was an improvement.
He was born on Earth. He invented warp drive. On Earth. He moved off Earth. He lived on Alpha Centauri later in his life. Probably after a life time exploring and travelling. Disappeared from Alpha Centauri to be found by Kirk and company later... makes sense to me...
He was born on Earth. He invented warp drive. On Earth. He moved off Earth. He lived on Alpha Centauri later in his life. Probably after a life time exploring and travelling. Disappeared from Alpha Centauri to be found by Kirk and company later... makes sense to me...
TOS pretty well borked Cochrane all by themselves. He was the human who invented warp drive and he was from Alpha Centauri. So yeah... anything TNG did with that was an improvement.
In the novels, Cochrane invents warp drive after first contact is made between Earth and the amazingly simmilar natives of Alpha Centauri using very fast STL ships. It's the joint work between the two planets that makes it possible.
In the novels, Cochrane invents warp drive after first contact is made between Earth and the amazingly simmilar natives of Alpha Centauri using very fast STL ships. It's the joint work between the two planets that makes it possible.He was born on Earth. He invented warp drive. On Earth. He moved off Earth. He lived on Alpha Centauri later in his life. Probably after a life time exploring and travelling. Disappeared from Alpha Centauri to be found by Kirk and company later... makes sense to me...
TOS pretty well borked Cochrane all by themselves. He was the human who invented warp drive and he was from Alpha Centauri. So yeah... anything TNG did with that was an improvement.
But I don't believe that the Expanded Universe was ever considered official canon.
Watch the original series, read some of the very good expanded universe novels with him as a central character, and you'd understand.
None of the STAR TREK novels have ever been canon, so that's not really something you can use. Although it is annoying, given that Peter David's splendid Borg novel VENDETTA was vastly superior to FIRST CONTACT or anything they did with the Borg later on.
1) Some admiral took command of the Enterprise while Picard was on some other mission, and as one of the ways they showed that he was an unreasonable jerk is that he had the nerve to order Troi to actually put on a uniform that conformed to the uniform standards.
Jericho in "Chain of Command"? I actually really liked that writing choice. He was unlikable and abrasive but he also handled the mission well, fulfilled his mission objectives and tightened up the Enterprise crew. It was a good example of the "this person doesn't need to be cuddly to be good" attitude that Ronald D. Moore in particular was keen to bring to the show (he made it a maxim on DS9 and BSG in particular).
Troi in the uniform was also something Moore made a mission from when he got on the show, and it was ridiculous it took three years. Marina Sirtis also really appreciated it, as she hated the stupid costumes they made her wear.
Perhaps I was too subtle.
The point I was trying make is that CBS will prostitute the series as much as needed to sell the subscription service.
I guess I didn't get it because I thought she just looked like a woman in a star trek themed one-piece bathing suit, not a prostitute.
[mocking]As part of the effort to gain more subscribers to their All Access service, CBS has mandated that THIS will be the duty uniform of all female crew members.[/mocking]Not much more ridiculous than Troi wearing her variant when everyone else on the show, male or female, was wearing the standard Starfleet uniform.
There were actually two instances where that caused my reaction to be exactly the opposite of what seemed to be intended.
1) Some admiral took command of the Enterprise while Picard was on some other mission, and as one of the ways they showed that he was an unreasonable jerk is that he had the nerve to order Troi to actually put on a uniform that conformed to the uniform standards.
2) In the first Ensign Ro episode, Riker jumps down her throat about the Bajoran earrings. Meanwhile, his ex-girlfriend is still wearing what I can only assume to be the official Starfleet slut uniform.
I remember those episodes well.
But come on man, no need to get ugly.