GM just gave me a Scroll of Transfer Pregnancy!

[Jack of Dust]

So in my current campaign, our party was investigating an airship with a cleric on board that had apparently cast Remove Curse on the vampire we were hunting (I'm the party witch and in the last fight I cursed him with a 50% chance to do nothing each round). I won't bore you with any other specifics but I ended up searching this cleric's room. I rolled a pretty high perception result and the GM decided to reward me with a few scrolls. A scroll of Remove Curse, a scroll of Breath of Life and well.... for some reason, a scroll of Transfer Pregnancy.

Anyway, I decided to pick your brains about what I could do with it. I would imagine that this doesn't have any practical use of course but even as a prank it could be pretty funny. My character's alignment is Neutral Evil by the way so be as creative as you like!

As a final note, the scroll is a 3rd level Wizard and Cleric spell with a caster level of five. I also doubt my GM would be opposed to researching it to make it a witch spell for multiple uses in the future....

[kyrt-ryder]

Sounds like it could serve as a great debuff on an enemy [does the scroll stipulate the recipient must have a womb or does it create the necessary biology in a target that lacks it?]

when you're gearing up for a battle against some major enemy, search town for a woman nearing the end of her pregnancy, peacefully capture her in a way that shouldn't induce labor [the Sleep Spell would work wonders for the initial capture, some sort of Alchemic Drugs should be able to keep her under during your raid] tie her up to something a strong character can carry and bring her along.

When engaging a serious enemy, all of a sudden your enemy is 8.5 months or more pregnant with all the issues that come with it.

Kind of unfortunate for the baby but who gives a s~*$, you're evil. Live it up.

[Thymus Vulgaris]

Try to see if you can transfer a pregnancy to a guy. If it works, try to stick around when the child is due, see what happens. Call it a science experiment.

[Rylar]

does it transfer the baby or create a new one while popping the old one out of existence? If it transfers the baby transferring the pregnancy from a pregnant elephant to a medium creature would be pretty painful...

[Soilent]

Thymus Vulgaris wrote:

Try to see if you can transfer a pregnancy to a guy. If it works, try to stick around when the child is due, see what happens. Call it a science experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFomUJpgGP0

[Rhelous]

Yikes, I'm having trouble thinking of a none evil use for that scroll. For the record, does the spell require you to actually have both the pregnant woman and the victim present or can you 'store the charge' after casting on the pregnant woman?

[Siranthony87]

I see it as a possible benefit beyond a mere prank. For a character of your alignment especially. Transferring the unborn heir of the kingdom into someone else's womb? when that child is born, under your control, what will the king give to be reunited with his heir? or perhaps you want more than mere ransom money...

also consider other options, the unborn child of a powerful wizard, perhaps having that offspring within you for a time would imbue you with some of its powers? Or if not, once again you always have the option of bartering for them to regain the child...

ooor we could change direction,

what if the king of a nation has not been able to produce an heir, perhaps his queen is unable to have children? how much would they pay for you to "ensure" that the queen is given a child?

I see a lot of opportunity here, just telling you what i'd be looking at.

goodluck and happy gaming!

[Renata Maclean]

Rhelous wrote:

Yikes, I'm having trouble thinking of a none evil use for that scroll. For the record, does the spell require you to actually have both the pregnant woman and the victim present or can you 'store the charge' after casting on the pregnant woman?

Well, it wouldn't be evil if both the donor and recipient consented to the operation...

But combat use? Essentially using an unborn child as a weapon? Nah, that's evil

[Soilent]

Siranthony87 wrote:

I see it as a possible benefit beyond a mere prank. For a character of your alignment especially. Transferring the unborn heir of the kingdom into someone else's womb? when that child is born, under your control, what will the king give to be reunited with his heir? or perhaps you want more than mere ransom money...

also consider other options, the unborn child of a powerful wizard, perhaps having that offspring within you for a time would imbue you with some of its powers? Or if not, once again you always have the option of bartering for them to regain the child...

ooor we could change direction,

what if the king of a nation has not been able to produce an heir, perhaps his queen is unable to have children? how much would they pay for you to "ensure" that the queen is given a child?

I see a lot of opportunity here, just telling you what i'd be looking at.

goodluck and happy gaming!

http://www.pathfindercommunity.net/feats/lamashtu-s-mark

Seems like you could do some interesting things in combination with this.

[kyrt-ryder]

Renata Maclean wrote:

Rhelous wrote:

Yikes, I'm having trouble thinking of a none evil use for that scroll. For the record, does the spell require you to actually have both the pregnant woman and the victim present or can you 'store the charge' after casting on the pregnant woman?

Well, it wouldn't be evil if both the donor and recipient consented to the operation...

Indeed, this spell could drastically reduce the number of abortions and make the adoption process a whole lot smoother.

[Soilent]

kyrt-ryder wrote:

Renata Maclean wrote:

Rhelous wrote:

Yikes, I'm having trouble thinking of a none evil use for that scroll. For the record, does the spell require you to actually have both the pregnant woman and the victim present or can you 'store the charge' after casting on the pregnant woman?

Well, it wouldn't be evil if both the donor and recipient consented to the operation...

Indeed, this spell could drastically reduce the number of abortions and make the adoption process a whole lot smoother.

It's a scroll.

I think you're reading a bit too much into this.

I'm not telling you it's badwrongfun, but I have my doubts that a group of players would enjoy having a game based around transferring pregnancies all day.

[kyrt-ryder]

I was talking about the spell in the hands of Clerics in a temple, not an individual scroll.

As for an individual scroll in the hands of adventurers the GM would have to contrive a plot scenario wherein the adventurers were able to make such a transfer for some wealthy noble or quest giver or something.

Failing that, use it as a debuff and to hell with who it hurts.

[Rhelous]

Soilent wrote:

It's a scroll.

I think you're reading a bit too much into this.

I'm not telling you it's badwrongfun, but I have my doubts that a group of players would enjoy having a game based around transferring pregnancies all day.

Perhaps, but I could definitely see some players using it to run a 'transferring' business under the downtime rules. Never underestimate what players might do in the name of payment or amusement.

[Siranthony87]

Rhelous wrote:

Soilent wrote:

It's a scroll.

I think you're reading a bit too much into this.

I'm not telling you it's badwrongfun, but I have my doubts that a group of players would enjoy having a game based around transferring pregnancies all day.

Perhaps, but I could definitely see some players using it to run a 'transferring' business under the downtime rules. Never underestimate what players might do in the name of payment or amusement.

I think if you did something along the lines of my suggestion it would provide the players and DM a good amount of fun as it could give them one hell of an adventure. The player doesn't need to transfer it to a PC either, could be transferred to an NPC that needs to be kept safe until players are done with whatever they decide to do with it.

Think outside the realm of good here, player is NE and should be looking at things in the view of someone who is NE. Although I do see its use in a temple, frankly it doesn't seem plausible that this PC would give a **** about helping other people along. (unless temple would pay greatly to transcribe this scroll into their spellbook?)

[Jack of Dust]

Thanks for the responses guys. There's some great stuff here!

My character doesn't worship Lamashtu (he prefers Asmodeus) but I could definitely imagine plenty of Lamashtu priests having a field day with this spell.

The thought of using it as a combat debuff did occur to me and although that does involve a lot of prep time, it could be a really effective debuff, especially if the creature in question can give birth to litters....

In regards to intent, to give more clarification, my character generally approaches moral subjects with apathy but he is aware of the taboos of evil acts and will atleast be discreet about them when around good people. While he won't care about strangers for the most part, he will act if his friends want to help them.

I've emailed my GM a few questions about the spell and will update you guys when he responds.

Edit: Also I'm not even sure if this is spell is meant to be rare since I found the scroll in the room of a cleric for a god of battle.

[Korak The Boisterous]

Step 1 learn spell

Step w get someone else/pregnant depending on character gender,

Step 3 transfervyour children to noble

Step 4 repeat step 3 often and in many countries.

Step 5. Watch your children inherit the earth

[Jack of Dust]

Well seems my GM is watching the thread! This should be interesting. He emailed me back, here's his response:

The range of the spell is touch. Assuming by two targets you mean the pregnant and the pregnantee distance is irrelevant (barring other planes obviously) as long as both can be considered 'touched'. Womb is created if not already present. Race is irrelevant but both subjects must be within a size category (small to medium fine, small to large not). Spell can effect humanoids, monstrous humanoids and fey. Spell can be used on unwilling targets but each resisting gets a fort save to resist.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I can learn the spell if I research it during downtime and I assume also pass some checks. Downtime shouldn't be a problem since we get a lot and I do have a high spellcraft modifier so hopefully that will help.

[kyrt-ryder]

Hahahaha, within one size category.

Hmmm, what would be more fun, an Ogre, a Hill Giant, A Fire Giant or a Frost Giant's baby stuck in a medium humanoid's body.

It's also kind of hilarious to target a male as the recipient.

[Jack of Dust]

kyrt-ryder wrote:

Hahahaha, within one size category.

Hmmm, what would be more fun, an Ogre, a Hill Giant, A Fire Giant or a Frost Giant's baby stuck in a medium humanoid's body.

It's also kind of hilarious to target a male as the recipient.

Yeah, a certain pirate in our party has a tendency to cause trouble. If he steps out of line too much, I'm planning to give him a "healing potion" to change his gender followed by making him give birth to piglets.

[kyrt-ryder]

Who said anything about changing his gender? Your GM said the spell provides a womb if one is lacking.

EDIT: also don't forget that unconscious people are always willing, so you can bypass the fortitude save by casting while he's sleeping.

[Jack of Dust]

kyrt-ryder wrote:

Who said anything about changing his gender? Your GM said the spell provides a womb if one is lacking.

EDIT: also don't forget that unconscious people are always willing, so you can bypass the fortitude save by casting while he's sleeping.

The thing about sleeping is a good point actually. I'll have to remember that...

While changing his gender isn't a requirement, it's an added issue for him. I have high hopes that he'll keep his beard during the transformation.

Edit: Wait I'm pretty sure unconsciousness and sleeping are too different things aren't they?

Second Edit: For the sake of not derailing the thread with a rules discussion on this we'll assume sleep does not prevent you from making saves since your mind is dormant rather than being unable to use cognitive faculties.

[Rhelous]

Jack of Dust wrote:

kyrt-ryder wrote:

Who said anything about changing his gender? Your GM said the spell provides a womb if one is lacking.

EDIT: also don't forget that unconscious people are always willing, so you can bypass the fortitude save by casting while he's sleeping.

The thing about sleeping is a good point actually. I'll have to remember that...

While changing his gender isn't a requirement, it's an added issue for him. I have high hopes that he'll keep his beard during the transformation.

Edit: Wait I'm pretty sure unconsciousness and sleeping are too different things aren't they?

Well, as far I can tell, sleeping is considered helpless rather than unconscious, though I haven't dug up an official ruling yet.

Also, since I was found out on email, I can assure you Jack, the good captain will most certainly keep his beard if you go through with that plan!

[Jack of Dust]

Rhelous wrote:

Jack of Dust wrote:

kyrt-ryder wrote:

Who said anything about changing his gender? Your GM said the spell provides a womb if one is lacking.

EDIT: also don't forget that unconscious people are always willing, so you can bypass the fortitude save by casting while he's sleeping.

The thing about sleeping is a good point actually. I'll have to remember that...

While changing his gender isn't a requirement, it's an added issue for him. I have high hopes that he'll keep his beard during the transformation.

Edit: Wait I'm pretty sure unconsciousness and sleeping are too different things aren't they?

Well, as far I can tell, sleeping is considered helpless rather than unconscious, though I haven't dug up an official ruling yet.

Also, since I was found out on email, I can assure you Jack, the good captain will most certainly keep his beard if you go through with that plan!

Rhelous is my GM in case anyone hasn't figured it out from that.

[Rosc]

Learn the spell.
Make more scrolls.
Make a wand while you're at it.
Gather your forces.

You are now prepared to face the Drakiania.

[Soilent]

Rosc wrote:

Learn the spell.

Make more scrolls.
Make a wand while you're at it.
Gather your forces.

You are now prepared to face the Drakiania.

That's gonna be a weird fight.

[Rosc]

Soilent wrote:

Rosc wrote:

Learn the spell.

Make more scrolls.
Make a wand while you're at it.
Gather your forces.

You are now prepared to face the Drakiania.

That's gonna be a weird fight.

Nothing about that monster isn't weird.

For added Tactical Maternity, have a summoner cranking out transfer hosts each round, dismissing them before they get Baron Geddon'd.

[Soilent]

Rosc wrote:

Soilent wrote:

Rosc wrote:

Learn the spell.

Make more scrolls.
Make a wand while you're at it.
Gather your forces.

You are now prepared to face the Drakiania.

That's gonna be a weird fight.

Nothing about that monster isn't weird. The reaction I got when I threw a weaker version at my Vampire group was priceless.

For added Tactical Maternity, have a summoner cranking out transfer hosts each round, dismissing them before they get Baron Geddon'd.

That'd be a neat thing to do.

See also: Impregnating an Eidolon, then threatening to dismiss it, while waiting for ransom.

[Rhelous]

Soilent wrote:

Rosc wrote:

Soilent wrote:

Rosc wrote:

Learn the spell.

Make more scrolls.
Make a wand while you're at it.
Gather your forces.

You are now prepared to face the Drakiania.

That's gonna be a weird fight.

Nothing about that monster isn't weird. The reaction I got when I threw a weaker version at my Vampire group was priceless.

For added Tactical Maternity, have a summoner cranking out transfer hosts each round, dismissing them before they get Baron Geddon'd.

That'd be a neat thing to do.

See also: Impregnating an Eidolon, then threatening to dismiss it, while waiting for ransom.

My Lord, what have I done by making this spell?!

[Soilent]

Rhelous wrote:

Soilent wrote:

Rosc wrote:

Soilent wrote:

Rosc wrote:

Learn the spell.

Make more scrolls.
Make a wand while you're at it.
Gather your forces.

You are now prepared to face the Drakiania.

That's gonna be a weird fight.

Nothing about that monster isn't weird. The reaction I got when I threw a weaker version at my Vampire group was priceless.

For added Tactical Maternity, have a summoner cranking out transfer hosts each round, dismissing them before they get Baron Geddon'd.

That'd be a neat thing to do.

See also: Impregnating an Eidolon, then threatening to dismiss it, while waiting for ransom.

My Lord, what have I done by making this spell?!

Well, I'll certainly be adding it to my games now.

[Rhelous]

Soilent wrote:

Well, I'll certainly be adding it to my games now.

Nooo! I intended the transfer pregnancy spell to be used for good, not evil!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhwTXwhA4c

[kyrt-ryder]

That which has been taken out of the bottle, can not be put back in.

[Johnny_Devo]

Important question. While you've stated that a male recipient will grow a womb, will they also grow the... erm... canal necessary to birth the child?

In addition, will said male recipient, after the pregnancy ends, maintain those features, or will he revert to the original form after carrying the child to term?

[Timebomb]

Soilent wrote:

...See also: Impregnating an Eidolon, then threatening to dismiss it, while waiting for ransom.

Eildons are outsiders, and wouldn't work for Jack. Now a Medusa, Skin Stealer or Android... those would be fun.

Sneak over to a pregnant woman in the night, pull out your pregnant other thing, do a little switcheroo, watch as everyone in the hospital/mansion gets turned to stone, suddenly there is a need for brave adventurers to come in and save the day. Now you just need a Medusa breeding farm...

Or offer magical midwife services to rich mothers who don't want that whole "pain" garbage.

[kyrt-ryder]

Johnny_Devo wrote:

Important question. While you've stated that a male recipient will grow a womb, will they also grow the... erm... canal necessary to birth the child?

In addition, will said male recipient, after the pregnancy ends, maintain those features, or will he revert to the original form after carrying the child to term?

And alter the pelvis :P

[Rhelous]

Johnny_Devo wrote:

Important question. While you've stated that a male recipient will grow a womb, will they also grow the... erm... canal necessary to birth the child?

In addition, will said male recipient, after the pregnancy ends, maintain those features, or will he revert to the original form after carrying the child to term?

Let's just say that it's fortunate my setting's advanced to the point where caesarean sections can actually be done successfully. And no, the womb would vanish when the spell was 'completed'.

[kyrt-ryder]

Lets be realistic here.

99 times out of 100 if this spell were successfully cast on a male he'd use the Falcon Punch abortion method.

Though if the infant were sufficiently developed, especially in the case of one of the next size larger than the pregnant person, there would still need to be a sizeable corpse that needed to be removed.

[Errant_Epoch]

I like the idea of finding a powerful pregnant being, transferring the baby to yourself, and raising it yourself. It's kidnappping but with an added maternal attachment, and your character is LE anyway. Mother being god in the eyes of a child and all. A couple of years later, bam new cohort.

[zainale]

the spell is from the D&D sex rule book. and you should learn the spell. since your evil you can figure out some uses for it.
>.>
1)learn the spell copy to your spell tome
2) if female go forth and get with child with something vile or not just make sure that the child wont look anything like the target say a king who is expecting a child.

if male go forth and diddle some females/female monsters >.>. the point is to have access to a child.

3)sneak into the pregnant queens chamber bring a charmed female of come kind or summon one(summon monster or the likes).

if female swap your replacement child into your cohort cast that spell onto the queen and yourself. then move the replacement bastard child/ vile half breed child into the queen.

4)sit back and away the kings reaction when he finds out his wife has been cheating on him with someone or something. depending on how your dm plays it. if the king freaks out and kills his wife and newborn child giggle manically and draft a letter to the king and wait for dead of winter.

5)leave the king's true son on his doorstep in the middle of a snow storm with the letter explaining how you where hired by his rivals to make the king murder his beloved wife. then wait for the political strife when the king is found hanging from the rafters in his bedroom. or he could go mad and start a war with aforementioned lied about rival kingdom.
ether way your evil!

[Third Mind]

This scroll may be meant to be held onto for a future plot element that your DM has in mind.

It could be used to save a baby when the mother's about to die... hey female rogue! This vampire's baby is about to die... how do you feel about children with teeth and skin disorders?

[Jack of Dust]

Third Mind wrote:

This scroll may be meant to be held onto for a future plot element that your DM has in mind.

It could be used to save a baby when the mother's about to die... hey female rogue! This vampire's baby is about to die... how do you feel about children with teeth and skin disorders?

Nah it was definitely an "on the fly" kind of deal. Still this thread will be very helpful. To think this one spell may hold the key to taking over the universe!

Edit: Come to think of it, I'll probably end up attracting the attention of Lamashtu herself. I already have the attention of Asmodeus and a Daelkyr Lord (we're playing a heavily customised Eberron campaign), by the end of it I'll probably have every god fighting over my soul!

[Zwordsman]

Transfer a dragon's egg's contents into some princess somewhere.

Watch the results of a strange evil thing you didl

[Shiroi]

I can see also the possibility of social engineering with this. Imagine the once thought pure priestess with her enlarging belly, and what she might do to preserve face. Imagine the scandal when the counts wife becomes pregnant, though he is away on business... Imagine the tragedy when this spell is used twice on a sleeping target, causing her healthy human son to be born a wretched goblin.

What horrors could be done when an outsider is promised a child literally born into his slavery? Let's not forget this spell is the dream of every proper child stealing hag.

Also consider what the implications of enlarging a target, implanting a baby one size larger than their new size, then dismissing enlarge person and casting reduce person instead might yield.

Or reducing a person so as to allow a smaller embryo, one perhaps of a toxic creature that would be able to attack from within.

[Jack of Dust]

Zwordsman wrote:

Transfer a dragon's egg's contents into some princess somewhere.

Watch the results of a strange evil thing you didl

That does beg the question of whether an eggs contents can be transferred too. An egg presumably would not get a fortitude save after all.

Edit: Another good question is whether the embryos of two pregnant creatures can be swapped.

[Tacticslion]

Rhelous wrote:

Soilent wrote:

Well, I'll certainly be adding it to my games now.

Nooo! I intended the transfer pregnancy spell to be used for good, not evil!

LINK'N'BLINK'N

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to watch it. :/

EDIT: to clarify:

Quote:

This video contains content from Fremantle International, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

[Rhelous]

Tacticslion wrote:

Rhelous wrote:

Soilent wrote:

Well, I'll certainly be adding it to my games now.

Nooo! I intended the transfer pregnancy spell to be used for good, not evil!

LINK'N'BLINK'N

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to watch it. :/

EDIT: to clarify:

Quote:

This video contains content from Fremantle International, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

Oh, sorry, that's unfortunate. Does this one work any better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skl71urqKu0

[Tacticslion]

Rhelous wrote:

Tacticslion wrote:

Rhelous wrote:

Soilent wrote:

Well, I'll certainly be adding it to my games now.

Nooo! I intended the transfer pregnancy spell to be used for good, not evil!

LINK'N'BLINK'N

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to watch it. :/

EDIT: to clarify:

Quote:

This video contains content from Fremantle International, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

Oh, sorry, that's unfortunate. Does this one work any better?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skl71urqKu0

Now in link form!

Alas, it does not. Sorry!

[Rhelous]

Tacticslion wrote:

Now in link form!

Alas, it does not. Sorry!

Crud. Well unless this vimeo link works I'm flat out of ideas. A pox on regional restricted content!

[Korak The Boisterous]

I'm a little sad nobody commented on my idea for allowing your children to inherit the world.

[Tacticslion]

Rhelous wrote:

Tacticslion wrote:

Now in link form!

Alas, it does not. Sorry!

Crud. Well unless this vimeo link works I'm flat out of ideas. A pox on regional restricted content!

It works!

Korak The Boisterous wrote:

I'm a little sad nobody commented on my idea for allowing your children to inherit the world.

I thought it was... terrible. In a good way. Well, I mean, in an evil way. But... okay, I mean, it was fascinating, and brilliant, but... you know, language doesn't work right. I'd already favorite'd it. :)

[LazarX]

It's the spell that would have saved Darla in "Angel".