
The Herald Frog |
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Gerald, here is what Bill said earlier on the KS page:
"@ Steven - The Northlands map does not cover the same area as our Region maps, so it is not the same size and is not the same scale. When we release Region maps we will work to make sure they meet up. Maps for individual books will not necessarily do so, though. We will probably eventually do a Region map that includes the Northlands, but right now we have not yet fully detailed all of the areas around the Northlands to be able to do so. That said, the southern edge of the Northlands map will come within about 400 miles of the northern edge of the Gulf of Akados map due north of the Barrier Hills, so you can see where it lies in relation to those other places. The Sea of Grass lies between."

Greg A. Vaughan Pathfinder Creative Director, Frog God Games |
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Is the map a different one than either of the last couple of Kickstarters have included? I've gotten all of the different ones, so I'm wondering if I need to pick this one up, too.
Gerald, the free pdf stretch goal map is Gulf of Akados, which is the same one that was released previously with Sword of Air. We like to throw that sort of thing in as a very low-end stretch goal for the benefit of anyone who is not already familiar with the Lost Lands setting. For those who already have them, it's not really a benefit. That's why it's such a low-level stretch goal.
However, The Northlands Saga Complete also comes with its own poster map of the Northlands which is not something that has previously been released. We are also selling it separate as an add-on for anyone who would like an extra copy (it already comes with the hardcopy of the book) or who would like the map without having to buy the hardcopy of the book.
So depending on which map you are referring to the answer to your question is either yes or no. ;-)

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Yay!!! Good chance I will have moved to Alaska by the time this is printed. Hopefully I can find a new group of players there that I can run all my FGG games with.

Dark Sasha |

Dragnmoon wrote:Yay!!! Good chance I will have moved to Alaska by the time this is printed. Hopefully I can find a new group of players there that I can run all my FGG games with.When are you moving there, Dragonmoon?
Assuming you are moving to the Anchorage area, I know lots of people who play anything from PFRPG to Shadowrun to 5E and my own group, which bounces back and forth between S&W and Cthulhu.

Zedth |

Every time I see one of these neato Kickstarters I get excited, but quickly deflated by the prices. I just can't afford $125+ for a campaign setting book.
I'm not whining - just saddened!
I am admittedly a bit noobish when it comes to anything kickstarter. How do these projects end up? After they're funded, is that the end of the production? In other words, is the only way to obtain one of these books to be part of the original KS campaign? (or be lucky enough to find a 2nd-hand copy on Ebay down the road)

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Every time I see one of these neato Kickstarters I get excited, but quickly deflated by the prices. I just can't afford $125+ for a campaign setting book.
I'm not whining - just saddened!
I am admittedly a bit noobish when it comes to anything kickstarter. How do these projects end up? After they're funded, is that the end of the production? In other words, is the only way to obtain one of these books to be part of the original KS campaign? (or be lucky enough to find a 2nd-hand copy on Ebay down the road)
These Kickstarters are generally done to help fund the production for books for sale (i.e. these Northands books (with PDF included) should be available eventually through the FGG site or here on Paizo). You'll generally get a better price by backing the KS, which can be furthered depending on possible extras if stretch goals are met (based on how much the project exceeds the target funding page). Some projects can have KS-exclusive content, such as books with a special cover to denote the KS edition, or special content like the Level 7B module in the old Rappan Athuk Kickstarter.

GM Rednal |
@Zedth: Well, this isn't JUST a campaign setting book. It's closer to a full campaign setting plus a full, long Adventure Path going from levels 1-20. When you compare the price to what you might pay for Paizo's APs or modules, I think this is actually less expensive. So... you may just want to look at the KS page again, check over the included content, and reconsider!

Greg A. Vaughan Pathfinder Creative Director, Frog God Games |
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Every time I see one of these neato Kickstarters I get excited, but quickly deflated by the prices. I just can't afford $125+ for a campaign setting book.
I'm not whining - just saddened!
I am admittedly a bit noobish when it comes to anything kickstarter. How do these projects end up? After they're funded, is that the end of the production? In other words, is the only way to obtain one of these books to be part of the original KS campaign? (or be lucky enough to find a 2nd-hand copy on Ebay down the road)
Sorry for the steep price, Zedth. These books are fairly costly to make not to mention the time spent in writing and development. I'll second what everyone else said, pretty much. The price doesn't come out so bad when you figure you're getting the adventure equivalent of more than 2 Paizo APs plus campaign setting info equal to probably an AP's worth of non-adventure stuff as well, all of which would retail for more than $200.
However, yes, it will be available for sale through the FGG website and right here at Paizo.com.
You can, of course, always buy-in for a much lower price-point for the pdf option if you're interested in the material and just don't want to shell out for the hardback. If not, hopefully it'll work for you better at a later date.
On a good note, look for a much more affordable KS from FGG for The Lost Lands: Borderland Provinces in January.
Unfortunately, out next KS before then is Richard Pett's The Blight and it's another BIG BOOK...but a big book of awesome I must add (that's because I actually ghost wrote most of it). ;-)

shadram |
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On a good note, look for a much more affordable KS from FGG for The Lost Lands: Borderland Provinces in January.
Unfortunately, out next KS before then is Richard Pett's The Blight and it's another BIG BOOK...but a big book of awesome I must add (that's because I actually ghost wrote most of it). ;-)
So what you're saying is that I should just get my salary diverted to the FGG bank account? Well, I guess I can survive on a diet of old d20s and broken minis for a few months...

Richard Pett Contributor |

Unfortunately, out next KS before then is Richard Pett's The Blight and it's another BIG BOOK...but a big book of awesome I must add (that's because I actually ghost wrote most of it). ;-)
It's time to stop the pretending now it's about to come out Greg, it was funny for a year or so, but now just let it go...

mach1.9pants |
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Greg A. Vaughan wrote:It's time to stop the pretending now it's about to come out Greg, it was funny for a year or so, but now just let it go...
Unfortunately, out next KS before then is Richard Pett's The Blight and it's another BIG BOOK...but a big book of awesome I must add (that's because I actually ghost wrote most of it). ;-)
So the big secret is that you're both one and the same person?

Itchy |
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Is the Blight a desert book? Please make a desert book. I just bought Dunes of Desolation and want more!
The Blight is a city book. A really messed up city book. Lots of undead alongside the living (if it's as much like Crooked as they are saying it is), some crazy nasty monsters. Just a nasty place to live. I wouldn't want to live there. Some tentacle monster thing that crawled out of my copy of Crooked is still living in my attic...

Richard Pett Contributor |
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The Blight is indeed a city book, broken down into several rather obscurely unique districts and quarters that can readily slip in and out of your own campaigns if you wish.
The accompanying Levee adventure path is set there, and takes a roller-coaster ride across the city in a 9 part urban horror AP taking characters from 1st to 10th level. It's very much influenced by Alice and Frankenstein, with unhealthy doses of Jeff Vandermeer, China Mieville and Conan Doyle amongst other influences. The Blight is a vile place to live, but lots do, some even stay voluntarily.
The closest thing it's like that I've worked on is the Styes for those with longer memories. Its sweaty, gritty and horrific, due to its close proximity to Between, a terrible echo place that those who rule the Blight exploit and taint. In response, the Between sometimes takes on flesh and comes out looking for revenge.
It is quite a lot like Crooked (which is - ahem - available from Amazon and other sellers), but less Victorian in delivery, it's not steampunk, its sweatpunk, fleshpunk, where muscle, bone and toil are the machines of the day. The place is full of fleshgines, mortomata and other sick creations made by the obscene ruling class of the city.
You'll be seeing more about it soon, and I hope you'll be able to support it as I'm really, really proud of it.
Richard

Richard Pett Contributor |

minoritarian wrote:Is the Blight a desert book? Please make a desert book. I just bought Dunes of Desolation and want more!The Blight is a city book. A really messed up city book. Lots of undead alongside the living (if it's as much like Crooked as they are saying it is), some crazy nasty monsters. Just a nasty place to live. I wouldn't want to live there. Some tentacle monster thing that crawled out of my copy of Crooked is still living in my attic...
Ah...THAT'S where she went. Come back Petal, and bring your new friend with you to play.

Richard Pett Contributor |

Richard Pett wrote:So the big secret is that you're both one and the same person?Greg A. Vaughan wrote:It's time to stop the pretending now it's about to come out Greg, it was funny for a year or so, but now just let it go...
Unfortunately, out next KS before then is Richard Pett's The Blight and it's another BIG BOOK...but a big book of awesome I must add (that's because I actually ghost wrote most of it). ;-)
Nope, that's me, Logue and Hodge and mama. Vuaghn's just a cousin. Yarp

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It's very much influenced by Alice and Frankenstein, with unhealthy doses of Jeff Vandermeer, China Mieville and Conan Doyle amongst other influences. The Blight is a vile place to live, but lots do, some even stay voluntarily.
I hope you'll be able to support it as I'm really, really proud of it.
Damn you. Vandermeer, Mievillle, Doyle and You means I pretty much have to don't I.

Steve Geddes |
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The Blight is indeed a city book, broken down into several rather obscurely unique districts and quarters that can readily slip in and out of your own campaigns if you wish.
The accompanying Levee adventure path is set there, and takes a roller-coaster ride across the city in a 9 part urban horror AP taking characters from 1st to 10th level. It's very much influenced by Alice and Frankenstein, with unhealthy doses of Jeff Vandermeer, China Mieville and Conan Doyle amongst other influences. The Blight is a vile place to live, but lots do, some even stay voluntarily.
The closest thing it's like that I've worked on is the Styes for those with longer memories. Its sweaty, gritty and horrific, due to its close proximity to Between, a terrible echo place that those who rule the Blight exploit and taint. In response, the Between sometimes takes on flesh and comes out looking for revenge.
It is quite a lot like Crooked (which is - ahem - available from Amazon and other sellers), but less Victorian in delivery, it's not steampunk, its sweatpunk, fleshpunk, where muscle, bone and toil are the machines of the day. The place is full of fleshgines, mortomata and other sick creations made by the obscene ruling class of the city.
You'll be seeing more about it soon, and I hope you'll be able to support it as I'm really, really proud of it.
Richard
Can't wait. Will there be a Swords and Wizardry version of the Adventure Path?

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Dragnmoon wrote:Yay!!! Good chance I will have moved to Alaska by the time this is printed. Hopefully I can find a new group of players there that I can run all my FGG games with.When are you moving there, Dragonmoon?
I am moving to Anchorage in December-January.

Richard Pett Contributor |

Richard Pett wrote:Damn you. Vandermeer, Mievillle, Doyle and You means I pretty much have to don't I.It's very much influenced by Alice and Frankenstein, with unhealthy doses of Jeff Vandermeer, China Mieville and Conan Doyle amongst other influences. The Blight is a vile place to live, but lots do, some even stay voluntarily.
I hope you'll be able to support it as I'm really, really proud of it.
Heh heh, oh yes I do hope so Minoritarian, in truth there's also more than a splash of French Revolution to add a little tension in the air too, oh and some crooked dark fey lurking in the streets, and briny boys and, ooh, lots of badness...

Richard Pett Contributor |

I am so excited for The Blight. I've been waiting since its been announced! I've got to find someone to run it here on the boards for me...
Huzzah! I hope so too Gerald, and thank you. For any would-be GMs there is plenty of fun; Levee has lots moving on in the background as well as foreground, and the freedom of having much more space allows me to put in some twists and turns that ordinarily space would prevent. There's also plenty of chances to turn your GM talents to bringing a strange and disturbing (and enjoyable of course) experience to your players, and some set-pieces that I hope will allow the more immersive groups to really go for an event. Or if you prefer, run straight out of the box. It has a number of juicy NPCs popping in and out in response to the PC's actions , and, of course, monsters and horror a plenty.

Matthew Finch Swords and Wizardry Lead Developer, Frog God Games |
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Keep in mind, there's one Kickstarter between now and the Blight. Borderland Provinces is a guidebook for the Western Sinnar Coast region, the kingdoms and lands where both Rappan Athuk and Endhome (Lost City of Barakus) are located. It's going to be a much smaller book than the Blight, although there will also be several small resources for it, kind of like a kit.

Matthew Finch Swords and Wizardry Lead Developer, Frog God Games |

Much smaller than the Blight, meaning more like the Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms, or like Stoneheart Valley? Just curious...
Closer to Stoneheart Valley. We don't have an accurate prediction of page count yet because there are a lot of tables and maps, which mean we won't really know until Chuck has almost completed the layout. But definitely closer to Stoneheart Valley than to CotSK.

brvheart |

Shem wrote:Closer to Stoneheart Valley. We don't have an accurate prediction of page count yet because there are a lot of tables and maps, which mean we won't really know until Chuck has almost completed the layout. But definitely closer to Stoneheart Valley than to CotSK.Much smaller than the Blight, meaning more like the Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms, or like Stoneheart Valley? Just curious...
Is this going to be a companion book to CotSK then? The area seems missing so is needed badly. I wants it! Give me my precious!

Greg A. Vaughan Pathfinder Creative Director, Frog God Games |
Richard Pett wrote:Can't wait. Will there be a Swords and Wizardry version of the Adventure Path?The Blight is indeed a city book, broken down into several rather obscurely unique districts and quarters that can readily slip in and out of your own campaigns if you wish.
The accompanying Levee adventure path is set there, and takes a roller-coaster ride across the city in a 9 part urban horror AP taking characters from 1st to 10th level. It's very much influenced by Alice and Frankenstein, with unhealthy doses of Jeff Vandermeer, China Mieville and Conan Doyle amongst other influences. The Blight is a vile place to live, but lots do, some even stay voluntarily.
The closest thing it's like that I've worked on is the Styes for those with longer memories. Its sweaty, gritty and horrific, due to its close proximity to Between, a terrible echo place that those who rule the Blight exploit and taint. In response, the Between sometimes takes on flesh and comes out looking for revenge.
It is quite a lot like Crooked (which is - ahem - available from Amazon and other sellers), but less Victorian in delivery, it's not steampunk, its sweatpunk, fleshpunk, where muscle, bone and toil are the machines of the day. The place is full of fleshgines, mortomata and other sick creations made by the obscene ruling class of the city.
You'll be seeing more about it soon, and I hope you'll be able to support it as I'm really, really proud of it.
Richard
Yes. :-)

Greg A. Vaughan Pathfinder Creative Director, Frog God Games |
Funding is completed and successful! ...And it's a short expected time to delivery, too. XD
(This being Kickstarter, I ALWAYS assume delays will happen, but... things seem mostly in order already.)
Our goal is to get this thing in the mail before Christmas [knocks on wood]. Most of it is in layout and/or S&W conversion, I'm wrapping the final bits of the last chapter, the new short modules and stories need to go through development (but they're short, so that helps a lot!), and we're waiting on some of the final art, so we're squeaky right up against when we have to get it to the printer to do so, so Christmas may be ambitious. But if we miss that I don't think it should be by very much. With the whole thing written and most everything done it should not take too long.

Greg A. Vaughan Pathfinder Creative Director, Frog God Games |
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Matthew Finch wrote:Is this going to be a companion book to CotSK then? The area seems missing so is needed badly. I wants it! Give me my precious!Shem wrote:Closer to Stoneheart Valley. We don't have an accurate prediction of page count yet because there are a lot of tables and maps, which mean we won't really know until Chuck has almost completed the layout. But definitely closer to Stoneheart Valley than to CotSK.Much smaller than the Blight, meaning more like the Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms, or like Stoneheart Valley? Just curious...
Basically, yes. Since Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms only covered sort of the central and eastern third of the Sinnar Coast Region Map, Borderland Provinces picks up the slack and details everything else except, the Kingdom of Oceanus, the Domain of Hawkmoon, and Cerediun Province, all of which will be part of future Lost Lands books. And unlike CotSK, Borderland Provinces does not include an adventure path. It is almost strictly a gazetteer, though with copious encounter tables, minor adventure areas, etc. (I say almost strictly because Matt did write on cool full length adventure which is in it). As a result, Borderland Provinces is a much skinnier book than CotSK and much closer in size and price to Stoneheart Valley than Cults.
As a quick plug, basically the entire book was written by Matt Finch (and it's brilliant by the way) using the Sinnar Coast Map for his parameters and my extensive Lost Lands design notes for those undetailed parts of the Sinnar Coast as his guide. So while it's all in Matt's voice (which if you've read Cyclopean Deeps 1&2, you know is awesome), it meshes seamlessly with CotSK and the overall development of the Lost Lands and gives a nice big new chunk to chew on with it to complete the Sinnar Coast Region. When Bard's Gate Complete is released next year and details a large chunk of the southern portion of the Gulf of Akados Region Map where is connects up with the Sinnar Coast, you're going to have a good-sized core area of Lost Lands as a playground to mess around in with your campaigns that includes a number of the Necromancer Games classics (Rappan Athuk, Barakus, Bard's Gate, Tomb of Abysthor, Aberrations, Trouble in Durbenford, Morrick Mansion, The Crystal Skull, and more I'm probably forgetting) plus a bunch of new FGG classics (Slumbering Tsar, Sword of Air, the CotSK new adventures, a bunch of the Quests of Doom stuff, etc.). I think it's going to be pretty cool. :-)
And if you want more Borderland Provinces action, never fear because there is a companion volume that will be available with it called Adventures in the Borderland Provinces for those so inclined to seek adventure there. :-) My understanding is that it's written by some werebat or vampire mouse or something or other...can't remember his name at the moment, but I think he's written a couple other things. ;-)

Greg A. Vaughan Pathfinder Creative Director, Frog God Games |
Alright everyone, I'm off to the wards. I'll try to check in later this afternoon to see if there are more questions, but let me say thank you all so much for making Northlands a success. It was kind of a gamble for us at FGG as we had never really done a straight genre piece like this and of this size before and between that and the book's cost we were a bit nervous. We shouldn't have been. You guys rock! Thanks!!!!!
:-)