Back in 3.5, the process to be a lich requires specific spells.
Well now, that is not a problem so we can create some interwting lichs.
So the question for you guys. What are some fun ideas you can think of to throw off the "oh its a lich! So it a powerful arcane caster (sorc, wiz, arcanist)" and mayne catch the party off guard while still being somewhat accurate (i.e. fighter lichs).
For instance:
Werewolf lichs
Seeing a lich in robes... only for it to charge at you with a sword (Kensai Magus lich)
Psychic lichs!!!! Hm... psychic demilichs hehe... psychic skull lol
Alchemist lichdom?... how would.ot ingest its elixors?... hm....
Oh and HUNTER LICHS!!! That would be weird...
Unless something has changed very recently, Pathfinder liches are the same as 3.5 liches.
Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
Witch Lich?
Unless something has changed very recently, Pathfinder liches are the same as 3.5 liches.
Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
So the only thing that eliminates is the Alchemist lich...
In 3.5 the phylactory had VERY SPECIFIC spells needed to craft it.
Witch Lich?
or would that be too niche?
Witch Lich?
That lich, witch.
In 3.5 the phylactory had VERY SPECIFIC spells needed to craft it.
Maybe in some third party book. The Monster Manual lich had the same requirements as the Pathfinder lich does (with the exception of an added experience point cost).
Each lich must make its own phylactery, which requires the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp and 4,800 XP to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
Witch Lich?or would that be too niche?
Lol the Niche Witch Lich that can switch to her pet stitch, with a skunks stench.
Lol poor alliteration is poor haha
Oh dear, your Lich witch has a twitchy stitch.
Unless something has changed very recently, Pathfinder liches are the same as 3.5 liches.
Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
That still seems like it could create blood rager liches (no morale bonuses, but still all the weird bloodline stuff can be turned on)
Arcane bloodline bloodrager... rages into an undead dragon lol.
Thats what you get.for ASSUMING a lich is JUST a arcane full caster lol
Is it named Tammy :-)
Lol yes, the dragon shaped arcanr bloodrager lich is named.tammy...
On an on topix.note... i wonder how a medium lich would be...
Seriously though, if you want an unconventional Lich check out Alling Third in The Divinity Drive, still evil but definitely unconventional :-)
Although he'd be cooler if his name was Tammy :-)
That still seems like it could create blood rager liches (no morale bonuses, but still all the weird bloodline stuff can be turned on)Unless something has changed very recently, Pathfinder liches are the same as 3.5 liches.
Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
actually there are undead barbarians that can rage and get the bonuses, take a look at the monster codex it has a vampire barbarian. So a bloodrager lich -I prefer the Graveknight template myself- is feasible
Personally I prefer the kensai magus lich lol.
Start combat casting buffs so the party assumes ypur a typical caster lich. When the fighter moves up to you, quick draw weapon, 5 ft step to the side, then greater bladed dasg spell combat into the enemy squishies lol. No one will see that coming lol.
Tammy is pretty cunning :-)
A lich gnome bard?
And i love the kensai.since they wear no armor... so you can really throw people off xD
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A lich gnome bard?
Lol that is priceless...
DM: so you all bust into the xhamber.
From the darkness you see... what looks like the skeleton of gnome... this is the vile lich you have been sent to.destroy
*party rolls initiative*
*lich is first*
DM: you see the lich.... tapdance.. Fighter make a will save.
Fighter: *laughs hysterically*
DM: well it looks lime you and your fighter failed ypur save vs Hideous Laughter xD
It may cause you to twitch, but it's a cinch to create a witch lich, and tho it may be rather niche, it would be quite a switch, with very little kitsch.
I wonder... how the hell would a beastbound Witch Lich work??? When you die you just transfer.to your familair...
Libris Mortis, pag. 153: Dalila Thistledown, CE lich halfling bard12.
For Villains: Rebirth (Bastion Press): Syzzinar, LE lich venerable kobold sorcerer19, Yep, a kobold. And he creates a lot of golems :3
That still seems like it could create blood rager liches (no morale bonuses, but still all the weird bloodline stuff can be turned on)Unless something has changed very recently, Pathfinder liches are the same as 3.5 liches.
Each lich must create its own phylactery by using the Craft Wondrous Item feat. The character must be able to cast spells and have a caster level of 11th or higher. The phylactery costs 120,000 gp to create and has a caster level equal to that of its creator at the time of creation.
I'm on the phone thus it's hard to quote te exact text, but the Monster Codex introduced the rule that Undeads that can Rage keep the morale bonuses and the Con bonus instead goes to Cha
I wonder... how the hell would a beastbound Witch Lich work??? When you die you just transfer.to your familair...
Or, maybe, in your familiar's ribbon :D
I always find that half casters make for the most amusing liches.
Bard Lich? He sings you to death.
Inquisitor Lich? She is eternally hunting an even greater foe.
Summoner Lich? He enslaved a psychopomp who tried to stop his ritual.
Mesmer Lich? Look into her eye... sockets.
Reanimated Medium Lich? He's reanimating his own dead body, but not doing a very good job of it.
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I once wrote a witch lich worm-that-walks. Sadly, it got cut in development. (Tears.)
I always find that half casters make for the most amusing liches.
Bard Lich? He sings you to death.
Inquisitor Lich? She is eternally hunting an even greater foe.
Summoner Lich? He enslaved a psychopomp who tried to stop his ritual.
Mesmer Lich? Look into her eye... sockets.
Reanimated Medium Lich? He's reanimating his own dead body, but not doing a very good job of it.
what about the hunter and the quarter casters?
what about the hunter and the quarter casters?I always find that half casters make for the most amusing liches.
Bard Lich? He sings you to death.
Inquisitor Lich? She is eternally hunting an even greater foe.
Summoner Lich? He enslaved a psychopomp who tried to stop his ritual.
Mesmer Lich? Look into her eye... sockets.
Reanimated Medium Lich? He's reanimating his own dead body, but not doing a very good job of it.
What about them? :3c
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Our first pathfinder campaign featured an arcane archer lich. She used slaying arrows and some seriously deadly poison.
We also had a serious bard lich - a vain diva who as a lich preserved not just her life but the appearance of youth.
Oh and HUNTER LICHS!!! That would be weird...
Our arcane archer lich was thematically a hunter, just without the pet. While I expect most liches wouldn't want a living thing around, a verminous hunter lich with a giant mantis seems terribly cool to me. Or maybe a packmaster using a bunch of well-trained but expendable creatures as messengers and spies? After all, you can see through the eyes of any member of your pack.
Ranger Lich, because Skeletal Champion isn't enough.
Antipaladin Lich for decent synergy
Paladin Lich for questioning your existance
Ranger Lich, because Skeletal Champion isn't enough.
Antipaladin Lich for decent synergy
Paladin Lich for questioning your existance
So the only thing that eliminates is the Alchemist lich...
I know it's old, but I found this link.
Alchemist caster levels equal their alchemist level. Note we don't generally call it a "SPELLcaster level." Neither do we call it an "ELIXIRcaster level." The rules apply for all spell or spell-similar effects.
And now there's this
Spell Knowledge
Benefit(s) Select a single spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list that is at least 2 levels lower than your highest-level extract known. You can prepare and cast this spell as an arcane spell. Preparing the spell uses up an extract slot 1 level higher than the spell's level. Your caster level is equal to your alchemist level, and your save DCs and concentration checks are Intelligence-based. You're considered to have this spell on your spell list for purposes of prerequisites, spell completion items, and spell trigger items.You may select this discovery more than once. Each time, it grants you access to another spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list.
Which, according to this, allows:
It gives you a caster level and counts as a spell on your spell list for purposes of prerequisites. I'm not sure it's a *good* path to any PrCs (you're going to get a spell of any given level much later than true casting class), but I'd certainly assume you are considered a spellcaster.
While that calls out Prestige classes, it appears (at least to me) to mean all prereqs... so Alchemists could become liches.
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More to the point... the idea of an alchemist lich is cool, so they can indeed be.
But yeah... it's "caster" level, not "Spellcaster" or "Elixercaster" level.
Alchemist liches are legit. The line of text in the lich template that says that a character must be able to "cast spells" was written before the alchemist existed, but the idea of the alchemist's elixirs is not to deny it access to spellcasting options like lich templates. After all, the alchemist's Alchemy ability does come right out and say that the alchemist "casts" his spells by drinking the extract.
I could see that being an interesting way of making an Accidental Lich.
Alchemist makes this strange concoction and downs it.. and suddenly is undead.
I could see that being an interesting way of making an Accidental Lich.
Alchemist makes this strange concoction and downs it.. and suddenly is undead.
Or he does it with the Infusion discovery...
The Extract of Undead Anatomy III was much stronger than usual
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Is that where I put it, I really must get a labelling gun for these!
What was that old rule set Potion Miscibility or something?
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One time, I wanted to make a boss that looked a lot more impressive than it was, so I made a lich with nothing but adept levels. His name was Franco. He wore way too many rings.
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I could see that being an interesting way of making an Accidental Lich.
Alchemist makes this strange concoction and downs it.. and suddenly is undead.
I think other accidents with the regular formula might be more interesting.
Think of a sorcerer that dumped int and forgot to carry the 2 while doing the rituals? What about an unintended phylactery?
What if the adventurers smash the jewel encrusted amulet sitting on the alter... and then a while later a flaming lich comes crawling out of the oven in the long abandoned kitchen in the back of the lair?
I could see that being an interesting way of making an Accidental Lich.
Alchemist makes this strange concoction and downs it.. and suddenly is undead.I think other accidents with the regular formula might be more interesting.
Think of a sorcerer that dumped int and forgot to carry the 2 while doing the rituals? What about an unintended phylactery?
What if the adventurers smash the jewel encrusted amulet sitting on the alter... and then a while later a flaming lich comes crawling out of the over in the long abandoned kitchen in the back of the lair?
I think it would be funny if a Alchemist accidentally became a lich and either their Homunculus became the Phlactery or the potion bottle they just chugged did. Would be kind of interesting for that party of adventurers who have to loot everything not bolted down to wake up in the morning and their Alchemist's bag is suddenly a heck of a lot heavier with that torso in it.
Fun fact: before the spell-like ability errata ruling out SLAs counting for preqs, the lowest CR lich that I could find was a barbazu/Bearded Devil. (greater teleport at 12th level, CR 5 base +2 template= CR 7). The lowest CR lich I can think of now is a kobold adept 11 (CR 9 base - 1 kobold +2 template = 10).
My group once had an encounter generator roll up a Lich Camel. We ran with it.
Which encounter generator was this? Please tell us!
More to the point... the idea of an alchemist lich is cool, so they can indeed be.
But yeah... it's "caster" level, not "Spellcaster" or "Elixercaster" level.
Alchemist liches are legit. The line of text in the lich template that says that a character must be able to "cast spells" was written before the alchemist existed, but the idea of the alchemist's elixirs is not to deny it access to spellcasting options like lich templates. After all, the alchemist's Alchemy ability does come right out and say that the alchemist "casts" his spells by drinking the extract.
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I think it would be funny if a Alchemist accidentally became a lich and either their Homunculus became the Phlactery or the potion bottle they just chugged did. Would be kind of interesting for that party of adventurers who have to loot everything not bolted down to wake up in the morning and their Alchemist's bag is suddenly a heck of a lot heavier with that torso in it.
Combining ideas...how about the cauldren he brewed the potion in?
...great, now I am remembering a Something Positive comic arc where they had a fantasy/western campaign where they had to stop a former Cofederate General from using a magical cauldren that would allow him to have the South Rise again...from their graves.
Was it Tammy?