Levitate is a good example. If it was a mental action it would say so in the rules.
Hopefully the FAQ will simply add "Fly is not a purely mental action"
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Why would a mental action have to take your encumbrance into account? If the magic is strong enough to let you fly at full strength, why would it suddenly fail if your body becomes less strong? I can see only one explanation: you need to use that body to reap the benefits of the spell.
I myself find it wholly absurd and quite astonishing how people can take the notion that flying by means of the Fly spell is a mental activity from the text of that spell. There's not the slightest hint of that in there. Nothing at all.
There isn't any information about it being a physical or mental action in the text of the spell, so I equally astonishing that you are stating that it is surely a physical action.
From what I recall it was a mental action in all the previous version of the game. Now it is an undefined action.
It had the same weight limitation even in the previous version of the game, when it was surely a mental action, so the basis of your argument is very weak.
Undefined in Pathfinder either means the default (both) like with walking or neither.
Both and Neither mean you can't fly while Paralyzed.
There isn't any information about it being a physical or mental action in the text of the spell, so I equally astonishing that you are stating that it is surely a physical action.
From what I recall it was a mental action in all the previous version of the game. Now it is an undefined action.
It had the same weight limitation even in the previous version of the game, when it was surely a mental action, so the basis of your argument is very weak.
The text of the Pathfinder Fly spell is the same as the 3.5 Fly spell, except for the fly skill check bonus based on caster level. I'm pretty sure that was added to account for the lack of a bonus based on maneuverability.
It's a physical action by merit of moving in general being a physical action, and the movement allowed by the Fly spell being restricted by physical limitations almost exactly as walking just confirms that.
Not that any of this matters, because whether it is a mental or a physical action, you won't be flying with an effective strength of 0. Because the spell says so.
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The default for an undefined thing is both.
For example, walking, running, swimming, and burrowing. In fact just about everything in the game doesn't have a label stating
"This is both a mental and a Physical action"
It's not listed at all.
The game's internal logic seems to point to the default for every action to be both mental and physical, with exceptions that are specifically stated.
So the method of flying via the fly spell is both mental and physical since it isn't stated that it's purely mental. Since it's a physical action it's impossible to do because you're paralyzed.
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There isn't any information about it being a physical or mental action in the text of the spell, so I equally astonishing that you are stating that it is surely a physical action.
From what I recall it was a mental action in all the previous version of the game. Now it is an undefined action.
It had the same weight limitation even in the previous version of the game, when it was surely a mental action, so the basis of your argument is very weak.The text of the Pathfinder Fly spell is the same as the 3.5 Fly spell, except for the fly skill check bonus based on caster level. I'm pretty sure that was added to account for the lack of a bonus based on maneuverability.
It's a physical action by merit of moving in general being a physical action, and the movement allowed by the Fly spell being restricted by physical limitations almost exactly as walking just confirms that.
Not that any of this matters, because whether it is a mental or a physical action, you won't be flying with an effective strength of 0. Because the spells says so.
Levitating - moving but not a physical action
Falling - moving but not a physical actionBeing transported by someone - moving but not a physical action
Walking is a physical action, flapping your wings is a physical action, so no, "moving in general" isn't a physical action.
And the 0 strength argument work only if you are carrying something beside your armor. The classic medieval witches flew in the nude and your clothes count as +0 armor if you aren't wearing any.
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The default for an undefined thing is both.
For example, walking, running, swimming, and burrowing. In fact just about everything in the game doesn't have a label stating
"This is both a mental and a Physical action"
It's not listed at all.
The game's internal logic seems to point to the default for every action to be both mental and physical, with exceptions that are specifically stated.
So the method of flying via the fly spell is both mental and physical since it isn't stated that it's purely mental. Since it's a physical action it's impossible to do because you're paralyzed.
You need a big leap of logic to get to that assumption.
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I know another one. Moving someone to tears isn't a necessarily a physical action.
Obviously I meant moving in its non-transative form.
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I know another one. Moving someone to tears isn't a necessarily a physical action.
Obviously I meant moving in its non-transative form.
But we don't know if the fly spell move you in a transative or a non-transative form.
It is circular logic, you think it move you in a non-transative form so you limit it, I think it move you in a transative form so I don't limit it.
Both position are "because it is so" based on the informations that the spell give us. Opinions.
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There's nothing there at all to distinguish moving by means of Fly from moving by means of walking. You still follow the general rules when you use Fly. You move from one square to another. You don't use a move action to mentally move your body with Fly. If that's what you're supposed to be doing, the spell would've said so.
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There's nothing there at all to distinguish moving by means of Fly from moving by means of walking. You still follow the general rules when you use Fly. You move from one square to another. You don't use a move action to mentally move your body with Fly. If that's what you're supposed to be doing, the spell would've said so.
"Nothing" like it being a spell and not a natural fly speed?
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There's nothing there at all to distinguish moving by means of Fly from moving by means of walking. You still follow the general rules when you use Fly. You move from one square to another. You don't use a move action to mentally move your body with Fly. If that's what you're supposed to be doing, the spell would've said so."Nothing" like it being a spell and not a natural fly speed?
"Nothing" like your maneuverability class not applying as it is magical flight?
Yeah, it's a spell. And spells do what they say they do. If you feel you have to make up all kinds of extra stuff, you're probably doing something wrong.
Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
I myself find it wholly absurd and quite astonishing how people can take the notion that flying by means of the Fly spell is a mental activity from the text of that spell. There's not the slightest hint of that in there. Nothing at all.
There's no hint at all that your movement is physical. How do you think the spell knows where you want to move?
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Spell direction is usually mental. Do you have to wave your arms about to make your illusion move? Do you need to do a little dance if you want your Flaming Sphere to roll in a different direction? Do you need to twitch your nose and wink to make those Dancing Lights drift this way and that?Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
A burning globe of fire rolls in whichever direction you point and burns those it strikes....The sphere moves as long as you actively direct it (a move action for you
Maybe not dance, but pointing.....
The dancing lights must stay within a 10-foot-radius area in relation to each other but otherwise move as you desire (no concentration required)
So it specifically says that it takes no concentration or actions.....
How are these examples similar to flight in any way?
I think you forgot just how weaboo and theatrical magic is in Pathfinder. I wouldn't be surprised if while flying you had to constantly moonwalk or something...
There's no hint at all that your movement is physical. How do you think the spell knows where you want to move?
I myself find it wholly absurd and quite astonishing how people can take the notion that flying by means of the Fly spell is a mental activity from the text of that spell. There's not the slightest hint of that in there. Nothing at all.
In fatc there is no hint that it's either!
So flight is either a physical action, a mental action, a mental and physical action, or not an action type discernable.
If Physical action, you can not fly.
Mental you can.
Both, you can't.
Neither? You can't because Paralyze specifies mental actions as being useable.
So since it doesn't say specifically what kind of action it is, it most likely defaults to both since every other form of movement and most actions in the game are a combination of mental and physical.
So I still have yet to see anyone answer my question from the previous page. Would you rule that you can still burrow (if under the effect of the burrow spell) while paralyzed?
So I still have yet to see anyone answer my question from the previous page. Would you rule that you can still burrow (if under the effect of the burrow spell) while paralyzed?
No using the same argument I used above for fly.
It doesn't say whether it's mental or physical, so you can't assume it's purely mental.
Heh sorry that was misleading. I should have said: "proponents of being able to fly while paralyzed: would you also rule that you can burrow while paralyzed?"
In fatc there is no hint that it's either!
1)none of your physical actions will ever make you fly
2) The flight works by concentration: as much concentration as walking.
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In fatc there is no hint that it's either!1)none of your physical actions will ever make you fly
2) The flight works by concentration: as much concentration as walking.
You know what else takes as much concentration as walking? Walking.
Unless you're going to tell me that walking is a purely mental action, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.
1)none of your physical actions will ever make you fly
So where does it say that flight requires no physical actions and is a purely mental ability?
If you are paralyzed, you can move with lecitate?
If someone has cast levitate on you, he can move you?and
If you are paralyzed someone can pick you up and...
1) Gray area, much like dimension door - the spell calls out a specific action for _controlling_ the spell mentally, it doesn't give you a speed, that you use with "move" move actions. I would say that going by the strictest reading of RAW, you probably couldn't - but this is more similar to you targeting yourself with a Haudralic Push than it is to casting a spell that gives you a movement speed.
2) Yes.3) Yes.
What is your stance on something like Elemental Body that gives you a fly or swim speed? It seems that is the closest comparison we can find - another transmutation spell that gives a movement speed and doesn't have more interaction afterwards.
Also, what is your stance on effects that magically alter your land speed? The monks speed bonus is supernatural after a certain level, would you argue that it can move while paralyzed at that point? If not, how would you argue that the magical land speed has more evidence of being physical than the magical fly speed? EDIT: Just saw that the monk speed bonus isn't magical anymore, was in 3.5. But there's many other examples, like Boots of Speed.
Spell direction is usually mental. Do you have to wave your arms about to make your illusion move? Do you need to do a little dance if you want your Flaming Sphere to roll in a different direction? Do you need to twitch your nose and wink to make those Dancing Lights drift this way and that?Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
Do you need to move your legs to walk when you're polymorphed into a gray render? Do you need to move your mouth to handle animal a summoned dog? Does an eidolon need to move to make attacks with the limbs and claws that evolution surge gave them?
2) The flight works by concentration: as much concentration as walking.
Again, it does not say this. It says it requires no more concentration than walking, so you can act normally while under the effect of it. And you know, concentration for spells is a game term that limits your actions while using such a spell.
1)none of your physical actions will ever make you fly
Flying is the physical action.
The default for an undefined thing is both.
For example, walking, running, swimming, and burrowing. In fact just about everything in the game doesn't have a label stating
"This is both a mental and a Physical action"
It's not listed at all.
Please cite the source stating that the default for an undefined thing is both.
I know another one. Moving someone to tears isn't a necessarily a physical action.
Obviously I meant moving in its non-transative form.
But we don't know if the fly spell move you in a transative or a non-transative form.
It is circular logic, you think it move you in a non-transative form so you limit it, I think it move you in a transative form so I don't limit it.
Both position are "because it is so" based on the informations that the spell give us. Opinions.
Exactly.
For the purpose of this thread, the assumption is that you control the spell with thought, and that the caster (despite STR 0) is not encumbered, perhaps they are naked.
Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
Please go here to debate whether or not it would function as asserted in the original post.
This thread is to discuss the penalties one would have if Fly allowed for two things:
Mental Control
Continued flight (naked caster?)
The debate over whether or not this situation could exist is moot, it was established by the OP that the conditions have been met, he is looking for a comprehensive list of penalties.
If you don't want to help, feel free to join me over in that other thread, we can yell at each other over there.
Heh sorry that was misleading. I should have said: "proponents of being able to fly while paralyzed: would you also rule that you can burrow while paralyzed?"
Please go here to debate the point.
This thread is to calculate what penalties would occur assuming that you remain aloft and in control of Fly if paralyzed.
This assumes mental control, and that you are not encumbered (naked?).
If you are unable to stick to these guidelines, you are simply derailing the thread.
The link above is debating the exact same thing, and was designed to do so, it will be far more productive an arena to voice your opinions.
If you are paralyzed, you can move with lecitate?
If someone has cast levitate on you, he can move you?and
If you are paralyzed someone can pick you up and...
1) Gray area, much like dimension door - the spell calls out a specific action for _controlling_ the spell mentally, it doesn't give you a speed, that you use with "move" move actions. I would say that going by the strictest reading of RAW, you probably couldn't - but this is more similar to you targeting yourself with a Haudralic Push than it is to casting a spell that gives you a movement speed.
2) Yes.
3) Yes.What is your stance on something like Elemental Body that gives you a fly or swim speed? It seems that is the closest comparison we can find - another transmutation spell that gives a movement speed and doesn't have more interaction afterwards.
Also, what is your stance on effects that magically alter your land speed? The monks speed bonus is supernatural after a certain level, would you argue that it can move while paralyzed at that point? If not, how would you argue that the magical land speed has more evidence of being physical than the magical fly speed? EDIT: Just saw that the monk speed bonus isn't magical anymore, was in 3.5. But there's many other examples, like Boots of Speed.
Do you need to move your legs to walk when you're polymorphed into a gray render? Do you need to move your mouth to handle animal a summoned...Spell direction is usually mental. Do you have to wave your arms about to make your illusion move? Do you need to do a little dance if you want your Flaming Sphere to roll in a different direction? Do you need to twitch your nose and wink to make those Dancing Lights drift this way and that?Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
Lots of great points here, I suggest bringing it over here to debate them.
The thread you are currently posting in has been created with the assumption that Fly is controlled mentally, and that paralysis doesn't make you pass out (it doesn't, it just renders you helpless, NOT the same thing).
If you want to contribute to the discussion about which penalties would be applied under these assumptions, please do so.
If you want to debate the point of whether or not Fly would even function, please visit the link above. It is active, and there are lots of interesting facts and opinions flying around.
Yep, I'm back.
I really would like to see this thread result in a comprehensive list of penalties under the circumstances laid out by the OP.
Interesting to note that he doesn't think DEX and STR should necessarily be reduced to 0.
Fly produces the ability to lift oneself aloft, while carrying your normal carrying capacity, the implication put forth by the OP is that Fly has it's own base ability to lift weight in the air...
Also, if DEX isn't in fact treated as 0, then what?
Interesting.
So far, the penalties I can list with relative certainty are:
STR 0
DEX 0
Helpless
+4 to be hit (per helpless, though this assumes you being prone, so debatable?)
Subject to Sneak Attack and Coup de Grace
Able to take only mental actions
So, addressing the STR 0 issue, if in fact it is 0 (I don't see anything indicating it would be otherwise, sorry OP). If the caster was carrying ANYTHING, clothing included, they would be encumbered and crash to the ground (Fly, when dispelled or ending normally, produces a feather fall effect. Being encumbered isn't either one of these so SPLAT!).
You would, assuming Fly works as asserted originally, have to be naked, as far as I can tell.
You would also be very easy to hit.
This would NOT be a good situation to be in.
If anyone else can think of penalties that would apply to this situation, within the framework as described by the OP, please feel free to add in.
If you want to debate the whole thing, that link again is here.
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Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
Please go here to debate whether or not it would function as asserted in the original post.
This thread is to discuss the penalties one would have if Fly allowed for two things:
Mental Control
Continued flight (naked caster?)The debate over whether or not this situation could exist is moot, it was established by the OP that the conditions have been met, he is looking for a comprehensive list of penalties.
If you don't want to help, feel free to join me over in that other thread, we can yell at each other over there.
Challenging a faulty premise in a rules discussion is a perfectly valid contribution, while in fact deriving conclusions from a faulty premise isn't worth anything at all.
In logic, if P = false, P -> Q is true for any Q. In game turns: Q = whatever the GM decides.
Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
Please go here to debate whether or not it would function as asserted in the original post.
This thread is to discuss the penalties one would have if Fly allowed for two things:
Mental Control
Continued flight (naked caster?)The debate over whether or not this situation could exist is moot, it was established by the OP that the conditions have been met, he is looking for a comprehensive list of penalties.
If you don't want to help, feel free to join me over in that other thread, we can yell at each other over there.
Challenging a faulty premise in a rules discussion is a perfectly valid contribution, while in fact deriving conclusions from a faulty premise isn't worth anything at all.
In logic, if P = false, P -> Q is true for any Q. In game turns: Q = whatever the GM decides.
Deliberately attempting to hijack a thread when I posted a link to a thread discussing exactly what you want to argue is... what?
If you want to ignore the OPs request, that's fine, you have free will, but you are being deliberately inflammatory by doing so.
Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
Please go here to debate whether or not it would function as asserted in the original post.
This thread is to discuss the penalties one would have if Fly allowed for two things:
Mental Control
Continued flight (naked caster?)The debate over whether or not this situation could exist is moot, it was established by the OP that the conditions have been met, he is looking for a comprehensive list of penalties.
If you don't want to help, feel free to join me over in that other thread, we can yell at each other over there.
Challenging a faulty premise in a rules discussion is a perfectly valid contribution, while in fact deriving conclusions from a faulty premise isn't worth anything at all.
In logic, if P = false, P -> Q is true for any Q. In game turns: Q = whatever the GM decides.
Deliberately attempting to hijack a thread when I posted a link to a thread discussing exactly what you want to argue is... what?
If you want to ignore the OPs request, that's fine, you have free will, but you are being deliberately inflammatory by doing so.
No, you're placing unreasonable demands on a topic in the rules section of the forum. Have it moved somewhere else and I'll be gone from here.
No, you're placing unreasonable demands on a topic in the rules section of the forum. Have it moved somewhere else and I'll be gone from here.Agreed, when I'm paralyzed I will my legs to move and they.... don't.
Where does it say the fly spells movement is a mental action? If it doesn't say anywhere then it defaults to being a mental and physical action.
Please go here to debate whether or not it would function as asserted in the original post.
This thread is to discuss the penalties one would have if Fly allowed for two things:
Mental Control
Continued flight (naked caster?)The debate over whether or not this situation could exist is moot, it was established by the OP that the conditions have been met, he is looking for a comprehensive list of penalties.
If you don't want to help, feel free to join me over in that other thread, we can yell at each other over there.
Challenging a faulty premise in a rules discussion is a perfectly valid contribution, while in fact deriving conclusions from a faulty premise isn't worth anything at all.
In logic, if P = false, P -> Q is true for any Q. In game turns: Q = whatever the GM decides.
Deliberately attempting to hijack a thread when I posted a link to a thread discussing exactly what you want to argue is... what?
If you want to ignore the OPs request, that's fine, you have free will, but you are being deliberately inflammatory by doing so.
Digging in your heels huh?
Fine.
Apply the principal of Occam's Razor to the situation of whether or not Fly is controlled mentally.
ZERO evidence exists supporting the idea that it is physical.
There IS, however, mention of concentration.
So, concentration is the simplest answer, with the most evidence to support it.
Next topic?
Let's use some nifty examples:
Thor can move Mjolnir just with his mind. He doesn't fly per se, he just grabs Mjolnir and mentally commands it to fly.
So, assuming that the paralysis doesn't loosen the grip he has on the hammer, he can still "fly" if paralyzed as the act is enabled by his mental action and he doesn't actually need to move his limbs outside of balancing and aerodynamics and thus he would be more clumsy (no Fly skill checks or heavy penalty), but he can still fly.
The same way, paralyzing Tony Stark doesn't deactivate his rocket boots, but being unable to move his arms means he can't use the repulsors to balance and thus he would fly like a ragdoll. But still flies. (and in the comics as of now he empowered his arc reactor in order to control technological objects with his mind, so no excuses like "he need to flip his toes to use the rocket boots")
and there are more examples of flight that per se do not require physical movement outside of a supplementary action in order to have better control
The Fly spell is the same: self telekinesis that allow you to move in space only with mental command, physical movement required only for balancing and aerodynamics (Fly Skill check)
Saying it REQUIRES a physical action leads to ridiculous imageries like a wizard flapping his arms (and now how can he cast spells with somatic components?)
Apply the principal of Occam's Razor to the situation of whether or not Fly is controlled mentally.
ZERO evidence exists supporting the idea that it is physical.
There IS, however, mention of concentration.So, concentration is the simplest answer, with the most evidence to support it.
It's not a matter of it being "controlled" physically. The spell isn't controlled at all. Subjects don't control spells, casters do.
The spell allows you to fly. ("The subject can fly..."). Flying is achieved by the "Move" action. The "Move" action is a physical action. It also allows you to use the "Charge" action, another physical one. If the flight needed to be "controlled" by the subject in some way, the spell would tell you so, like all other spells that use non-standard methods of "control".
Saying it REQUIRES a physical action leads to ridiculous imageries like a wizard flapping his arms (and now how can he cast spells with somatic components?)
It doesn't REQUIRE a physical action. It is a physical action.
It's not a matter of it being "controlled" physically. The spell isn't controlled at all. Subjects don't control spells, casters do.
The spell allows you to fly. ("The subject can fly..."). Flying is achieved by the "Move" action. The "Move" action is a physical action. It also allows you to use the "Charge" action, another physical one. If the flight needed to be "controlled" by the subject in some way, the spell would tell you so, like all other spells that use non-standard methods of "control".
The spell is controlled by concentration.
This is the only text in the spell discussing how it is controlled. All other assertions are assumptions, and have no text to support them.
The spell is controlled by concentration.
This is the only text in the spell discussing how it is controlled./QUOTE]
The spell text claims no such thing.And again, the term "control" has no place in this discussion. It's not a controlled spell. It's a spell that grants an ability.
Apply the principal of Occam's Razor to the situation of whether or not Fly is controlled mentally.
ZERO evidence exists supporting the idea that it is physical.
There IS, however, mention of concentration.So, concentration is the simplest answer, with the most evidence to support it.
It's not a matter of it being "controlled" physically. The spell isn't controlled at all. Subjects don't control spells, casters do.
The spell allows you to fly. ("The subject can fly..."). Flying is achieved by the "Move" action. The "Move" action is a physical action. It also allows you to use the "Charge" action, another physical one. If the flight needed to be "controlled" by the subject in some way, the spell would tell you so, like all other spells that use non-standard methods of "control".
Saying it REQUIRES a physical action leads to ridiculous imageries like a wizard flapping his arms (and now how can he cast spells with somatic components?)It doesn't REQUIRE a physical action. It is a physical action.
Citation please.
It is a physical action.
You should avoid to mistake a spacial movement for a physical action, it's like rectangles and squares
The spell is controlled by concentration.
This is the only text in the spell discussing how it is controlled./QUOTE]
The spell text claims no such thing.And again, the term "control" has no place in this discussion. It's not a controlled spell. It's a spell that grants an ability.
So what point are you trying to make exactly?
The caster doesn't control the spell? They fly about randomly?
Who chooses where they go?
How is that decision made?
How does that decision become action?Do they wiggle their fingers? (didn't see mention of that in the spell)
do they speak out loud? (no mention of that either)
Is it an act of will, by concentrating? (they DO mention that.)There is evidence to support my point, there is none to support yours.
Saying a thing doesn't work a certain way because of lack of evidence that it doesn't work that way will always lose to asserting that a thing works a certain way because there is evidence that it does.
The ability to fly is fine and dandy... but if you want to convince people it's a physical action to use it, you have to present evidence, not cite a lack of evidence.
Citation please.
Common sense. You move yourself from one place to another. Changing your position as a function of time and velocity. This is a physical phenomenon, obviously. What else would it be?
Citation please.Common sense. You move yourself from one place to another. Changing your position as a function of time and velocity. This is a physical phenomenon, obviously. What else would it be?
A spacial movement perhaps? It could be magnets for all it matters. A change in position doesn't mean that the body itself exerts physical effort. Especially because this is a form of telekinesis/gravity manipulation. It's literally magic slapping a force vector on my body that I can change in direction and intensity with my mind.
it is funny how no one has addressed my interpretation of how fly works. In my theory, the propulsion of your movement must be a mental act, otherwise what movements must your body make that will still allow you to cast spells and fly without the need for concentration checks or fly checks? We all know just normal flying does not require any skill checks, but it does require checks for certain maneuvers. This means that skill checks affected by dexterity, among other things requires a certain amount of physical ability to maneuver. Having an encumbrance prevents one from flying, then we must assume that weight does have an effect on one's ability to fly, therefore you can't fly due to overencumbrance. Because encumbrance is specifically called out in the spell preventing flight and having a dexterity of 0 is not called out in the spell, then I must conclude that although dexterity does affect flight, it is not absolute requirement for flight.
The caster doesn't control the spell? They fly about randomly?
"The subject can fly..."
Who chooses where they go?
The subject.
How is that decision made?
You decide where you want to go, just as you do when you're walking.
How does that decision become action?
That seems obvious, you have the ability to fly, don't you?
Do they wiggle their fingers? (didn't see mention of that in the spell)
They might, if it makes them feel happy. They could also just use their magically bestowed ability to fly.
do they speak out loud? (no mention of that either)
I'm guessing they just use their magically bestowed ability to fly.
Is it an act of will, by concentrating? (they DO mention that.)
It's an act of will as much as walking is an act of will. It takes concentration in as much as other modes of movement require concentration. You better pay attention, you don't want to bump into things. It takes an act of will, but it leads to a physical action, like all physical actions find their origins in acts of will.
There is evidence to support my point, there is none to support yours.
There's no evidence at all to support your point.
Saying a thing doesn't work a certain way because of lack of evidence that it doesn't work that way will always lose to asserting that a thing works a certain way because there is evidence that it does.
Completely true. If only you had evidence.
The ability to fly is fine and dandy... but if you want to convince people it's a physical action to use it, you have to present evidence, not cite a lack of evidence.
Again, it's not a physical action to use it. It's just a physical action in and of itself.
Common sense. You move yourself from one place to another. Changing your position as a function of time and velocity. This is a physical phenomenon, obviously. What else would it be?
...common sense?
...applied to magic?
The Fly spell is what is moving you.
That's why you cast it in the first place. That's what it's for.
It only does one thing.
If you are trying to say that any effect that produces a physical result of any sort must by default be a 'physical action'... then I must ask you a spell with a duration of concentration fits into your world view...
You must now expend an action to do what has been previously no action at all?
Again, I will point out that nowhere does it say any action of any sort is required to control or use Fly.
It grants you the ability to Fly, and requires concentration to use.
Any declaration of action types required is a fabrication based on assumptions unless there is text showing otherwise.
Concentration, for example, is mentioned in the spell.
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I understand that when you are magically flying and is paralyzed you froze in the air and stay there. I'm into anything that undermine casters, but this is not the case.
I'm just amused at thinking in a "Walk" spell, that make you walk as effortlessly as concentrating in walking, without the need to move the legs. Then, this bloke is paralyzed but keep walking with it's legs frozen, like a videogame glitch. Lol!