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Today my job requires that I have short hair and be clean shaven (though the mustache is fine).If my prospective employer enforced that I would probably make up nonsense about how in Norse heathenry it's sacrilege to forcibly shear someone, and requiring someone to be sheared against their will counts. Citing Anglo-Saxon laws as a source.
It's great having a non-institutionalized religion that's based on centuries-deceased oral tradition and highly subject to personal interpretation.
~laughs~
Yes if an applicant showed up for an interview with me and started going on about "Norse Heathenry" as their reason for going unshaven then I would probably file that application in the circular file with haste.
that's grounds for a lawsuit aroundabouts where I live.
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Myself? I'm losing my hair so have considered shaving it bald all the way, some lady friends have asked that I don't so I haven't taken the plunge yet and may never.
As to what I prefer on the ladies? I think 99% of the female population looks best with long or at least mid length hair... but its their heads so :)
that's grounds for a lawsuit aroundabouts where I live.Today my job requires that I have short hair and be clean shaven (though the mustache is fine).If my prospective employer enforced that I would probably make up nonsense about how in Norse heathenry it's sacrilege to forcibly shear someone, and requiring someone to be sheared against their will counts. Citing Anglo-Saxon laws as a source.
It's great having a non-institutionalized religion that's based on centuries-deceased oral tradition and highly subject to personal interpretation.
~laughs~
Yes if an applicant showed up for an interview with me and started going on about "Norse Heathenry" as their reason for going unshaven then I would probably file that application in the circular file with haste.
That's correct if you can prove that's why it was thrown away. Lies, half truths, and other excuses happen. "Exhibited signs of problems with authority" is a great catch-all for people with stuff you can't legally fire them for, for example, but there are others.
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All I know is if you walk into the Midwest and say "I won't hire any bearded Norse heathens, you won't last long :-)
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That's correct if you can prove that's why it was thrown away. Lies, half truths, and other excuses happen. "Exhibited signs of problems with authority" is a great catch-all for people with stuff you can't legally fire them for, for example, but there are others.that's grounds for a lawsuit aroundabouts where I live.Today my job requires that I have short hair and be clean shaven (though the mustache is fine).If my prospective employer enforced that I would probably make up nonsense about how in Norse heathenry it's sacrilege to forcibly shear someone, and requiring someone to be sheared against their will counts. Citing Anglo-Saxon laws as a source.
It's great having a non-institutionalized religion that's based on centuries-deceased oral tradition and highly subject to personal interpretation.
~laughs~
Yes if an applicant showed up for an interview with me and started going on about "Norse Heathenry" as their reason for going unshaven then I would probably file that application in the circular file with haste.In general with hiring unless you outright state "I didn't hire you because of X prohibited reason.", there's little recourse. Or show a documentable pattern of refusing to hire qualified Norse Heathens.
Now if you openly refused to hire because of his unshaven state and he claimed that was a religious matter and there were no legitimate work related reasons for requiring employees to shave then there might be a case.
And if you did all of that, you probably were not sharp enough to rise to a management position to where you have that decision to make.
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Nepotism doesn't make distinctions between competence and incompetence :-)
Nor does Cronyism :-)
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Nepotism doesn't make distinctions between competence and incompetence :-)
Nor does Cronyism :-)
True, but I've found that management that exercises nepotism, if the higher ups themselves putting the family members in power have any intelligence (and they usually do because the original to rise to power had to get there somehow), they usually give the family member a cushy position that doesn't impact the company heavily if they screw up...like supervisory positions. If their minions do their jobs, those middle management leaches sit back, act like @$$holes, collect a fat check, and love life. Hiring manager, on the other hand, is one where you want competence, not family.
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...or maybe I'm just a considerably more competent villain than most, and it's God's love of the common worker that keeps me from rising to power, because that's how I would do it.
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The Peter Principle is fact. It may have originally been a joke, but it is in observation certain truth.
I think failure to accept company grooming policy is sufficient to not be considered. But Norse Heathens haven't existed for over a century as well.
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One of the great things about switching from the kitchen to construction was i could grow a thick mangy beard if i wanted to* without the stupid beard net (*after i got the job that is :-D)
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I think failure to accept company grooming policy is sufficient to not be considered. But Norse Heathens haven't existed for over a century as well.Yes and no. Even leaving Norse Heathens aside, there are modern religious groups with restrictions on cutting hair and the like, not to mention dress code.
It's actually pretty clear law that you can't set company policy to discriminate based on religion, even if it's superficially a neutral thing - like hair length or shaving. If there are actual work reasons, then it's a different story. Safety issues or something like that.
I don't know... If I were a Muslim woman and applied for a job at hooters it's a fair bet to say I wouldn't get the job owing to the fact that I would be required to dress modestly by my religion and that violates dress code. And I seem to recall different cases where the courts have upheld hooters uniform code.
I think failure to accept company grooming policy is sufficient to not be considered. But Norse Heathens haven't existed for over a century as well.
Some Icelandic and Norwegian families might beg to differ.
They also wouldn't seriously agree with the "shearing someone is sacrilege" tenet because that was a joke on my part. Unless they had the same sense of humor I did.
Although, I'm still strongly against the shaving of my chin fluff, even if I don't have high enough testosterone levels for it to form an actual goatee (though I do plan on going on T later so that will change and if my uncle's goatee and dad's perpetual 5'o clock shadow is any indication the HRT will go handsomely). Each hair is its own god, and breaking it bestows on you the curses of a thousand hells.
Also, how I feel about the grooming policy depends on the nature of the job. If it's the kind of job where hair might get caught in machinery, that's fair. If I sit at a desk and the only machinery I'm expected to operate is a computer, that's rubbish. I should be able to allowed to show up well-groomed regardless of what length of hair I have.
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I still occasionally have a reoccurring nightmare where I grow giant bushy Andy Rooney/Dune Mentat eyebrows.
The facial hair I'm starting to really despise is the hipster thing where every guy has exactly 3 days' growth worth of beard at all times. In Pittsburgh proper it was starting to look like a uniform or something.
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The facial hair I'm starting to really despise is the hipster thing where every guy has exactly 3 days' growth worth of beard at all times. In Pittsburgh proper it was starting to look like a uniform or something.
I despise hipsters for giving beards a bad reputation.
#NotAllBeards
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I've seen too many dudes trying to rock the RDJr Stark-goatee, and it just doesn't work. Either they have the wrong face-type or they are horrible at mowing their face with any precision.
Also, please stop trying to make the pencil-thin sideburn+chinstrap "beard" thing happen. Does anyone really like that look?
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I just have the goat on the chin, generally keep the upper lip shaved unless it's winter and then I rock the grizzly Adams beard, usually stop shaving around mid September, I can grow facial hair almost at will tho :-)
Funny thing is when I have the full goatee with stache it makes me look sinister almost, my wife and kids joke that I look like Evil Captain Yesterday when I do that :-)
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Funny thing is when I have the full goatee with stache it makes me look sinister almost, my wife and kids joke that I look like Evil Captain Yesterday when I do that :-)
Observation: Cap'n Yesterday, Evil Overlord alias is completely clean-shaven.
Conclusion: Does not compute. Doesnotcompute. Doesnotcomputedoesnotcomputedoesn- {auto reboots to avoid S.I.S.D. (Shatnerian Induced Self-Destruction) or S.C.U.U.D. (Supporting Cast Unexpected/Unnecessary Death)}
Well now I gotta shave it into evil captain yesterday form, take a picture of it, then load it into my imagebucket or whatever it is, then post it here!
You're lucky I haven't shaved in a week :-)
Of course that's a lot of work, we'll see :-)
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Funny thing is when I have the full goatee with stache it makes me look sinister almost, my wife and kids joke that I look like Evil Captain Yesterday when I do that :-)Observation: Cap'n Yesterday, Evil Overlord alias is completely clean-shaven.
Conclusion: Does not compute. Doesnotcompute. Doesnotcomputedoesnotcomputedoesn- {auto reboots to avoid S.I.S.D. (Shatnerian Induced Self-Destruction) or S.C.U.U.D. (Supporting Cast Unexpected/Unnecessary Death)}
Do what I do and draw a little goatee on your computer screen with Biro, along with a speech bubble saying 'mwar har har', whenever it hoves into view.
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After the cow pie incident I'm no longer allowed to write on the computer screen:-(
The thing about grooming, from a professional standpoint, is who decides and defines what well groomed is? It's kind of arbitrary. For example, you can't legally make a guy who looks like Jake Gyllenhaal take care of those caterpillars crawling over his eyes, but I find that far more disturbing than a beard of perfect symmetry and equivalent length, yet THAT you are allowed to force someone to shave to keep their job. You can't legally make a woman shave her legs, but the Umaro look on women is far more disturbing to me than the Axl Rose hair...but suprise, suprise, guess which one you can force? I'm not saying men have it harder, I'm just saying that the standards are arbitrary.
The standard of "well groomed" is so arbitrary, a boss can pull a Mr. Burns and yell at you about sideburns when you have shaved both sides of your head clean (the wonderful baseball episode).
The thing about grooming, from a professional standpoint, is who decides and defines what well groomed is? It's kind of arbitrary. For example, you can't legally make a guy who looks like Jake Gyllenhaal take care of those caterpillars crawling over his eyes, but I find that far more disturbing than a beard of perfect symmetry and equivalent length, yet THAT you are allowed to force someone to shave to keep their job. You can't legally make a woman shave her legs, but the Umaro look on women is far more disturbing to me than the Axl Rose hair...but suprise, suprise, guess which one you can force? I'm not saying men have it harder, I'm just saying that the standards are arbitrary.
The standard of "well groomed" is so arbitrary, a boss can pull a Mr. Burns and yell at you about sideburns when you have shaved both sides of your head clean (the wonderful baseball episode).
Bushy eyebrows and hairy legs are fantastic, beautiful things.
they are so soft,
But yes I agree with your final point that 'well groomed' is arbitrary as hell.
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30 is actually cool. You don't physically fall apart, you are pretty steady fiscally (for most people)...
Real hilarious...
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I think I found a grey/white hair once.
I'm 22.
I didn't find another one though so maybe it was a fluke.
Shee-it, mine started turning grey when I was in high school.
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On the subject of facial hair, I have the ability to grow a disgusting patchy hobo beard almost on cue. For example.
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On the subject of facial hair, I have the ability to grow a disgusting patchy hobo beard almost on cue. For example.
looks good to me. you could rock it.
30 is actually cool. You don't physically fall apart, you are pretty steady fiscally (for most people)...Real hilarious...
FWIW, I have found my thirties to be much better than my twenties were and it isn't because the events were any better. I had some real traumatic stuff happen in the last eight years. It's just that this is the age when many people look around and have the astounding and very freeing revelation that nobody else has their s*&* together either so you can just stop worrying about it. :)
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Shee-it, mine started turning grey when I was in high school.I think I found a grey/white hair once.
I'm 22.
I didn't find another one though so maybe it was a fluke.
Yeah, that happened to my cousins too. I was able to hide white hairs until my early twenties thanks to having light hair to begin with. And this is what dye is for. Now I can have cartoon character hair! Yay! :D
Shee-it, mine started turning grey when I was in high school.I think I found a grey/white hair once.
I'm 22.
I didn't find another one though so maybe it was a fluke.
Do you have British ancestry? Every boy I met with solid British ancestry had this problem.
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My wife is older than me, and looks younger. She hasn't had a single grey hair pop up.
Mind you, since I shaved and cut my hair, I have been told I look like I dropped about 8 years. So there's that. If I take my glasses off it's ridiculous.
I still get carded on those ultra-mega-crazy rare cases where I buy something age restricted.
Okay, this reminds me of a small tangent (but sorta related): why do so many women not like telling their age? Or worse yet, lie and say they're younger than they are? I'd rather be 40 and look 30 and have people be like "NO WAY!" than be 40, say I'm 30, and have people raise an eyebrow at me like "Uh huh, sure you are..."
That's just one of the mysteries of Womanhood that we wouldn't get even if they told us :-)
It's okay, we men have our mysteries too, like why farts are so damn funny:-)
That's just one of mysteries of Womanhood that we wouldn't get even if they told us :-)
It's okay, we men have our mysteries too, like why farts are so damn funny:-)
Louis CK explained that in an interview on The Daily Show. It's a trumpet like noise that comes out of your butt and smells like poop. What's not funny about that, when you think about how weird that is?
*sigh*
Don't.. have.. time.. to make alias about the Brown note trumpeter... grrr!!
I've seen too many dudes trying to rock the RDJr Stark-goatee, and it just doesn't work. Either they have the wrong face-type or they are horrible at mowing their face with any precision.
Also, please stop trying to make the pencil-thin sideburn+chinstrap "beard" thing happen. Does anyone really like that look?
some men view this as the new face of black manliness, possibly if you are pseudo muslim. Me, I disagree.
Funny thing is when I have the full goatee with stache it makes me look sinister almost, my wife and kids joke that I look like Evil Captain Yesterday when I do that :-)Observation: Cap'n Yesterday, Evil Overlord alias is completely clean-shaven.
Conclusion: Does not compute. Doesnotcompute. Doesnotcomputedoesnotcomputedoesn- {auto reboots to avoid S.I.S.D. (Shatnerian Induced Self-Destruction) or S.C.U.U.D. (Supporting Cast Unexpected/Unnecessary Death)}
I can't tell if I am supposed to mourn or be happy.
*Toot Toot!*
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Yeah, that happened to my cousins too. I was able to hide white hairs until my early twenties thanks to having light hair to begin with. And this is what dye is for. Now I can have cartoon character hair! Yay! :DShee-it, mine started turning grey when I was in high school.I think I found a grey/white hair once.
I'm 22.
I didn't find another one though so maybe it was a fluke.
this only makes you incredibly attractiver.
That's just one of the mysteries of Womanhood that we wouldn't get even if they told us :-)
It's okay, we men have our mysteries too, like why farts are so damn funny:-)
farts are funny to people of all genders. Toilet humor is a universal constant.
and yea I don't get why ppl are cagey about their ages either. If you're famous enough it'll be on wikipedia for all to see anyway.
Do you have British ancestry? Every boy I met with solid British ancestry had this problem.Shee-it, mine started turning grey when I was in high school.I think I found a grey/white hair once.
I'm 22.
I didn't find another one though so maybe it was a fluke.
I'm Polish, both sides of my family are from the Mazury region in fact.
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Head: long for both
Body: natural for guys, non for gals except for a little down there.
Face: Some guys faces are good for beard but many look as if they have something dead in the face.
Head: Everybody looks great with long hair
Body: Everybody looks and feels best unshaven. Yes, that includes women with high testosterone levels. Stubble feels terrible.
Face: Many folks, including women, look great with beards. Mustaches are dull unless they come with a full beard.
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That's just one of the mysteries of Womanhood that we wouldn't get even if they told us :-)
It's okay, we men have our mysteries too, like why farts are so damn funny:-)
farts are funny to people of all genders. Toilet humor is a universal constant.
and yea I don't get why ppl are cagey about their ages either. If you're famous enough it'll be on wikipedia for all to see anyway.
I'm on Wikipedia :-) go ahead search it for Captain Yesterday, bet I'm on there :-)