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Face it. Lucas screwed up big time. He surrounded himself with people who were to afraid to say "George, NO". and made the mutated monster that is the prequels.
Just like Jakcson screwed up Hobbit for the same reason.
Now the franchise has changed hands. New owners have a right to do whatever they want with it.
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All I know is Jar-Jar Binks made Phantom Menace unwatchable for my then 6 year old daughter, unwatchable!
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My girlfriends nephew who is 4 was shown the original trilogy and loved it. He started to watch Phantom Menace and after about 5 minutes after Jar Jar was on the screen he got up turned off the TV and stammered out of the room saying "I don't know what that was but its not Star Wars"
True story, after 5 minutes of Jar-Jar she asked "is he in the entire movie?" "Yes" "turn it off, I've seen enough"
Unwatchable!
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Ewoks rule.
Gungans drool.
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Personally I found Hayden Christensomething much more upsetting than Jar-Jar Binks.
You know, everyone holds up Yoda to be so super powerful.
Yet the Emperor kicked his ass so badly that Yoda fled to the far side of the galaxy and hid in a swamp for the next couple of decades before dying of old age.
Powerful? Yeah. But completely overrated. The only Star Wars character more overrated than Yoda is Boba Fett, who gets ridiculous amounts of fanwanking despite the fact that his most glorious achievement is falling into a giant sand vagina.
Wait, when did Yoda fight the Emperor? I don't recall it in Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, but admittedly it's been a bit since I saw A New Hope.
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Wait, when did Yoda fight the Emperor? I don't recall it in Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, but admittedly it's been a bit since I saw A New Hope.You know, everyone holds up Yoda to be so super powerful.
Yet the Emperor kicked his ass so badly that Yoda fled to the far side of the galaxy and hid in a swamp for the next couple of decades before dying of old age.
Powerful? Yeah. But completely overrated. The only Star Wars character more overrated than Yoda is Boba Fett, who gets ridiculous amounts of fanwanking despite the fact that his most glorious achievement is falling into a giant sand vagina.
Not sure if you are kidding or not ...
If you are being serious, it happened in one of the prequels (can't recall which ... Revenge of the Sith I think)
Wait, when did Yoda fight the Emperor? I don't recall it in Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, but admittedly it's been a bit since I saw A New Hope.You know, everyone holds up Yoda to be so super powerful.
Yet the Emperor kicked his ass so badly that Yoda fled to the far side of the galaxy and hid in a swamp for the next couple of decades before dying of old age.
Powerful? Yeah. But completely overrated. The only Star Wars character more overrated than Yoda is Boba Fett, who gets ridiculous amounts of fanwanking despite the fact that his most glorious achievement is falling into a giant sand vagina.
Not sure if you are kidding or not ...
If you are being serious, it happened in one of the prequels (can't recall which ... Revenge of the Sith I think)
Yes, Revenge of the Sith.
In which he isn't seriously injured and though he falls pretty far, seems like he should have a lot of fight left in him.
I'm not sure why he decided after that he couldn't beat the emperor, why he had to go into exile, and why he wasn't up for either continuing the fight or going for round two later. Even more, if he had someone like Kenobi to distract the Emperor...why he couldn't go for round two with Kenobi as back up and then kill the Emperor.
Finally, if he couldn't defeat the Emperor, why in the world did he feel that Luke would eventually be able to defeat the Emperor AND Vader?
The result of Revenge of the Sith's battle really don't jar nicely with what happens in the OT.
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But it sure was fun watching Obi-Wan chop Anakin into pieces, literally:-D
Wait, when did Yoda fight the Emperor? I don't recall it in Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, but admittedly it's been a bit since I saw A New Hope.You know, everyone holds up Yoda to be so super powerful.
Yet the Emperor kicked his ass so badly that Yoda fled to the far side of the galaxy and hid in a swamp for the next couple of decades before dying of old age.
Powerful? Yeah. But completely overrated. The only Star Wars character more overrated than Yoda is Boba Fett, who gets ridiculous amounts of fanwanking despite the fact that his most glorious achievement is falling into a giant sand vagina.
Not sure if you are kidding or not ...
If you are being serious, it happened in one of the prequels (can't recall which ... Revenge of the Sith I think)
Prequel? Like a book or something?
A book with pictures you mean?
Since when do we include s%##ty fan films in the universe?
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A book with pictures you mean?Since when do we include s!*&ty fan films in the universe?
Since Return of the Jedi, at minimum.
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I always thought the point of Yoda was that Luke comes to Dagobah looking for "a great warrior" and instead finds this shriveled up little booger monster--but Yoda turns out to be this incredibly wise character that teaches Luke that "Wars not make one great," that violence isn't always the answer, and that there's more to being a Jedi than swinging around a laser sword.
And, ultimately, light sabers don't win the day, Luke wins by redeeming his father.
I didn't like that Yoda fought in the prequels. I thought it ruined his schtick.
Anakin didn't follow the first rule in a crisis situation, always keep the high ground.
nonono... It's "don't jump with a high-energy weapon in your hand, or you might lose both legs and an arm".
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Oh, and Lucas is fine with it since he still has creative control of Star Wars.
Lucas gave up creative control of Star Wars when he sold Lucasfilm. He gave them outlines for Eps 7-9 but they've pretty much ignored them. He's available as a consultant, but it sounds like they didn't use him much, or at all, based on his comments that he's looking forwards to seeing 7 in the cinema and has no idea what to expect.
iirc, there was some confusion at the end of rotj because the imperial fleet was far, far larger than the rebel one, and a war of attrition would have easily gone to the imperials.
The size of the Imperial Fleet was a problem, as they couldn't fire on the rebels without hitting one another, so the rebels were able to take out Star Destroyers by focusing the full strength of their fleet on small parts of the enemy line at one point (the Roman Battle of Pharsalus, where Caesar defeated a larger enemy force by focusing his strength on the enemy's weakest point, was similar), i.e. knocking out the Executor. Combined with the destruction of the DS2 and the loss of the Executor, Vader, Emperor and most of the command staff for the fleet, it's quite plausible that the Imperials would retreat, especially the senior admirals in the fleet who realised they could build up their own power base.
The novels had it that the Emperor was reinforcing the fleet through the Force (+2 Leadership Bonus, I guess), and his death removed that and left the fleet disoriented. I'm not a massive fan of that idea, but it does sound like the sort of thing the Emperor would do.
I don't really care if they discontinue most of the EU and other things, but I think if the general public starts saying...WTH is going on with this...I think the Star Wars films may have one first really good profits, and then it will die a VERY HARD, QUICK death
Well, we'll get three regardless: 7 is in post, ROGUE ONE is filming now and 8 is in pre-production to start shooting in a couple of months. If 7 and ROGUE ONE absolutely bomb, maybe they'll cancel 9 and the other stand-alones but...they're not going to bomb, clearly.
I'm just amazed at how much people criticize Lucas...but when someone else who isn't even the original creator does worse...they cheer him.
They forget that without Lucas, there wouldn't even be a Star Wars...
Yes and no. Without Lucas we wouldn't have STAR WARS, clearly, but a lot of other people worked on hard on the original movies. Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett wrote THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, Irvin Kershner directed it and Gary Kurtz produced it both EMPIRE and the original film. Lucas had the least to do with it and it's, by a country mile, the most popular and critically-acclaimed STAR WARS movie. Lucas was irked by this and seized back control for JEDI, cancelling his original (and much more interesting) story outline, which so annoyed Kurtz that he walked out on the franchise despite the millions he could have made by staying with it. Kasdan was retained to write JEDI, but Lucas fiddled around with the script a lot more (which is why JEDI seems to alternate being awesome and then irritating with almost every other scene).
The prequels were garbage because Lucas did pretty much everything himself. The plurality of voices and perspectives on the original trilogy were not present and were replaced by a ton of yes-men who never put the brakes on Lucas's crazier ideas.
So yes, without Lucas there wouldn't be STAR WARS. But without a ton of other people, there wouldn't have been any really good STAR WARS.
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I think more of the Lucas-hate comes from the fact that he:
1) refuses to stop tinkering with the original trilogy, and
2) has tried to block the unaltered versions from ever seeing a decent home release.
The unaltered original theatrical versions of the first movies only exist on VHS (and hardly anyone uses VHS anymore, and it has very poor quality compared to digital alternatives), laserdisc (same criticisms), and a really crappy 2004 DVD release (mono audio, poor transfer from laserdisc).
Lucas has made it known that he NEVER wants those unaltered original available. And despite selling the franchise to Disney, he still apparently has enough rights to veto this. (The situation is made even more complex because 20th Century Fox has distribution rights for all the films until 2020, and has the full rights for Star Wars in perpetuity.)
So basically, until Lucas's death, there CAN'T be a 1080/24p, 7.1 DTS HD MA Blu-Ray of the ORIGINAL original trilogy (and even then, it will require a deal between 20th Century Fox and Disney).
EDIT: Hot damn, this post finally took. I've tried to post variants of it several times over the past few day, but the post monster was a hungry little bastard.
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Realistically, yes, the Empire could have beaten the Alliance by pure resources and numbers.
But the movies suggested that once Vader and the Emperor were down, the Empire couldn't function properly enough.
Maybe Force Awakens will give us a different picture.
Because it makes no sense. Emperor was just one figurehead in a vast, monolithic bureaucracy. His death would mean an immediate few weeks of disarray and then the Empire would go back to everyday. After all, grand moffs and moffs ruled most of the Empire in his name.
The prequels were garbage because Lucas did pretty much everything himself. The plurality of voices and perspectives on the original trilogy were not present and were replaced by a ton of yes-men who never put the brakes on Lucas's crazier ideas.
Exactly. Surrounding yourself with yes men is the worst thing you can do. You must have several people who will say "George, NO", when you want to try something incredibly idiotic as midichlorians.
Because it makes no sense. Emperor was just one figurehead in a vast, monolithic bureaucracy. His death would mean an immediate few weeks of disarray and then the Empire would go back to everyday. After all, grand moffs and moffs ruled most of the Empire in his nameRealistically, yes, the Empire could have beaten the Alliance by pure resources and numbers.
But the movies suggested that once Vader and the Emperor were down, the Empire couldn't function properly enough.
Maybe Force Awakens will give us a different picture.
indeed, this is what the imperial remnant is. The rebellion took advantage of a lot of post-Endor Chaos to take back some critical worlds,but the remnant was hardly a collection of 4 backwater planets.
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This might subvert the whole SW universe but....haven't the empire and the rebel alliance EVER tried to get along? Like, ESPECIALLY after the emperor's death? The empire didn't spring out of nowhere, they were formed by other groups who MUST'VE envisioned a different future than a fourth reich.
When the Yuuzhan Vong attack, yeah. That's how Solo's daughter gets the hots for a Chiss tie pilot.
Because it makes no sense. Emperor was just one figurehead in a vast, monolithic bureaucracy. His death would mean an immediate few weeks of disarray and then the Empire would go back to everyday. After all, grand moffs and moffs ruled most of the Empire in his name.
I think you accidentally outline the exact reason why the empire should fall about. The imperial Moffs and admirals largely already were operating quasi-independently. With high command largely dead or disorganized, they would no doubt turn against each other, or at best, not operate as an organized front against the Rebellion. It wouldn't be that difficult for the Rebel Alliance to carve out large chunks of territory.
At any rate...I don't think the "Empire" is even still around in the new movies. The stuff leaks only names the First Order, and rumors say that we have something like a cold war going on between something like the Imperial Remanent and something like the New Republic.
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Rebels gives some vision into it, with the Inquisitor (de facto if not de jure) outranking the military, security, and civilian officials we see. The only people he seems to answer to are Vader and maybe Tarkin.
I haven't seen Rebels, whatever it is, but if Vader outranked someone, then Tarkin did as well. If you actually watch the first movie without the nostalgia and Jedi hype blinding you, it's pretty damn apparent that Tarkin outranks Vader.
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So basically, until Lucas's death, there CAN'T be a 1080/24p, 7.1 DTS HD MA Blu-Ray of the ORIGINAL original trilogy (and even then, it will require a deal between 20th Century Fox and Disney).
I can't remark either way regarding the veracity of your general statement... but if you want the ORIGINAL original trilogy, you can't have a 7.1 soundtrack. The closest thing would be the original 70mm 6-track mixes, which had 3 front channels (left, center, right), a single surround channel, and a pair of low-frequency-effects tracks. (In modern terms, they were "4.2" mixes.) You want split surrounds and differentiation between rear and side, that won't happen without somebody making additional creative decisions well outside the scope of the original production.