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Yet the Emperor kicked his ass so badly that Yoda fled to the far side of the galaxy and hid in a swamp for the next couple of decades before dying of old age.
Not sure why you're downplaying that—dying of old age is a pretty remarkable accomplishment for a Jedi. Much better than being chucked off a ledge.
I think this movie could be funny.
The reactions when Lucas didn't really deviate from set canon, but stretched the limits of applicability was moaned and hated by fanboys all over.
Abrahms totally destroys canon (I believe Zahn had to get Lucas's official seal and approval, and in that Lucas's canon had the Rebels actually WIN at the end of the Return of the Jedi, and even changed the ending to reinforce how massive the win for the rebels was when the emperor was killed along with Vader) and all the Fanboys cheer.
I really don't get it.
The original creator is hated, but the one who destroys the original so they can do a Star Wars (without it even being an alternate timeline) is the one cheered for doing so (at least from all the reports coming in...which could be false, but so far all the posters seem to support).
Fans can be very odd at times.
I guess the hatred for Gungans and Ewoks run strong in the fans dark side...
I call it sort of perplexing.
(Yes, it's official now, the celebrations you saw at the end of Return of the Jedi...yeah...that was the precursor to the rebels getting the snot beat out of them...seriously...it's canon now as found in the new star wars books).
I love ewoks. They are furry and cute and throw rocks.
I have issues with people who hate ewoks die to the number of a%%*%$~s in the theater at the 90s rerelease. A few grognards had to be kicked out for screaming at children for liking ewoks.
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I think this movie could be funny.
The reactions when Lucas didn't really deviate from set canon, but stretched the limits of applicability was moaned and hated by fanboys all over.
Abrahms totally destroys canon (I believe Zahn had to get Lucas's official seal and approval, and in that Lucas's canon had the Rebels actually WIN at the end of the Return of the Jedi, and even changed the ending to reinforce how massive the win for the rebels was when the emperor was killed along with Vader) and all the Fanboys cheer.
I really don't get it.
The original creator is hated, but the one who destroys the original so they can do a Star Wars (without it even being an alternate timeline) is the one cheered for doing so (at least from all the reports coming in...which could be false, but so far all the posters seem to support).
Fans can be very odd at times.
I guess the hatred for Gungans and Ewoks run strong in the fans dark side...
I call it sort of perplexing.
(Yes, it's official now, the celebrations you saw at the end of Return of the Jedi...yeah...that was the precursor to the rebels getting the snot beat out of them...seriously...it's canon now as found in the new star wars books).
The movie isn't out yet - how did Abrahms 'totally destroy canon'?
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Fantasy Flights New The Force Awakens Starter Set for X Wing.
(Not sure how long Disney lawyers will allow that link to remain.)
I'm surprised there is no line of X Wing fanboys standing in line at the Paizo Gencon booth waiting to prostrate themselves before Michael Stackpole.
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What's a tie wing?
A wing in that context is a formation of spacecraft.
If memory serves, in Legends, Imperial doctrine organizes the entire fighter and bomber compliment of a Star Destroyer into a single wing, which would be around seventy-two craft.
Based on this Organizational Order of Battle.
A standard Imperial Star Destroyer would carry a Wing comprising 1 TIE Interceptor Squadron (12 TIEs), 3 TIE/LN Squadrons (36 Standard Line TIEs), 1 TIE Bomber Squadron, and 1 TIE Recon Squadron.
All the Starfighters on board were under the command of the Wing Commander would be directly answerable to the ship's Captain.
What's a tie wing?A wing in that context is a formation of spacecraft.
If memory serves, in Legends, Imperial doctrine organizes the entire fighter and bomber compliment of a Star Destroyer into a single wing, which would be around seventy-two craft.
Based on this Organizational Order of Battle.
A standard Imperial Star Destroyer would carry a Wing comprising 1 TIE Interceptor Squadron (12 TIEs), 3 TIE/LN Squadrons (36 Standard Line TIEs), 1 TIE Bomber Squadron, and 1 TIE Recon Squadron.
All the Starfighters on board were under the command of the Wing Commander would be directly answerable to the ship's Captain.
The movie isn't out yet - how did Abrahms 'totally destroy canon'?I think this movie could be funny.
The reactions when Lucas didn't really deviate from set canon, but stretched the limits of applicability was moaned and hated by fanboys all over.
Abrahms totally destroys canon (I believe Zahn had to get Lucas's official seal and approval, and in that Lucas's canon had the Rebels actually WIN at the end of the Return of the Jedi, and even changed the ending to reinforce how massive the win for the rebels was when the emperor was killed along with Vader) and all the Fanboys cheer.
I really don't get it.
The original creator is hated, but the one who destroys the original so they can do a Star Wars (without it even being an alternate timeline) is the one cheered for doing so (at least from all the reports coming in...which could be false, but so far all the posters seem to support).
Fans can be very odd at times.
I guess the hatred for Gungans and Ewoks run strong in the fans dark side...
I call it sort of perplexing.
(Yes, it's official now, the celebrations you saw at the end of Return of the Jedi...yeah...that was the precursor to the rebels getting the snot beat out of them...seriously...it's canon now as found in the new star wars books).
It's already official, the Rebels did NOT wina the end of the Return of the Jedi.
All those celebrations Lucas put in...that's just the people about to get massacred by the empire.
It's also rumored that Han and Leia didn't get together, that Abrahms prefers that RotJ is basically ignored but loves Empire, and is trying to ignore that the prequel trilogy actually ever happened.
Those events in the prequel trilogy...did not happen...
Darth Plagueis...didn't happen.
Darth Sidious's (or the Palps) discussion with Anakin at the Opera...didn't happen.
Phantom Menace and AotC...didn't happen.
Ironically...there supposedly could be a New Republic...but it's in a part of the galaxy far far away...maybe..
Of course, those are the rumors...the only confirmation thus far is that the Rebels got their arse's kicked instead of winning in Return of the Jedi...at least at the end of it...thus far at least.
The reason is that the Emperor was NOT that vital to the Empire and it was rather just a dumb stupid attack on a Death Star 2 that the Rebels did...which killed the Emperor and destroyed that Death Star, but the rest of the Empire basically stayed cohesive and kicked Rebel Butt.
That celebration at the end that Lucas added...just fakery...instead they all got massacred and the Rebels lost all their recruiting power...in a nutshell.
That's what I mean by destroying the Lucas Canon.
The book isn't written in a flavor I really like either. Of course 95% of the old books in the EU canon were written in a flavor I detested as well...sooooo....
But those are just the rumors thus far
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GreyWolfLord, can you provide a link showing where *any* of what you just outlined is claimed to be official? I honestly think you are misunderstanding something, or read some bit of misinformation or something ...
Also, what do you mean by 'The book isn't written in a flavor I really like either'? What book are you talking about?
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IIRC Disney has said that all the movies are canon. so JJ can't destroy it or say it did'nt happen. he can not deal with stuff that happened in them, but he can't say it did'nt happen.
As much as I love that episodes IV through VI are canon...I'd very much like them to change a lot about episodes I throguh III. Mostly Jar Jar Binks and some other stuff. And they could focus on the clone wars more.
But I find it perfectly playsible that Empire regrouped and destroyed the rebels.
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Darth Plagueis...didn't happen.
Darth Plagueis NEVER happened. I've heard about him recently and he ISN'T in the movies, so unless they canonized him later....he NEVER happened.
There's no evidence of his existence in ANY of the three prequel movies. If he's cut from the new movies, people who've never heard his name or even heard Sidious had a master will never know he existed. This is like saying Old Yeller actually had a happy ending because in reality someone switched out the dog with a DIFFERENT dog that had rabies. If the audience have no clue (LITERALLY no clue, as in they're not given any) then it never happened.
Darth Plagueis was absolutely mentioned ... in Revenge of The Sith
The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise
Of course, Palpatine could have made the story up in order to manipulate Anakin, but Darth Plagueis is definitely is mentioned
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You mean the war didn't end when the Mission Accomplished banner went up, I am shocked, shocked I say!
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Everything I have heard rumor wise doesn't say that the rebel alliance lost the war. Rather that in various parts of the Galaxy, Imperial remnant(s) still existed. Because as it turns out Galaxy wide empires don't fall over night, even if the heads of state are slain.
I don't get how that is weird or even goes against the conclusion of the original trilogy. That is pretty much the tactic that the Expanded Universe followed, and no one much complained about that.
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Imperial remnant was a major part of eu even into cade Skywalkers time. Not sure why it's awful all of a sudden.
Haters gonna hate, I guess.
GreyWolfLord, can you provide a link showing where *any* of what you just outlined is claimed to be official? I honestly think you are misunderstanding something, or read some bit of misinformation or something ...
Also, what do you mean by 'The book isn't written in a flavor I really like either'? What book are you talking about?
It's in the book. In it, it turns the celebrations you see into a massacre. Everyone flees and has to run...
That's actually what happens in the book...
The OLD canon had it that the Imperials were held together by the Emperor and quickly fell apart. Lucas expanded this to try to show that indeed much of the Empire fell quickly by showing all the celebrations at the end. There were remaining forces, but they weren't unified by any means, and the New Republic was pretty massive and put in place rather quickly. They still had challenges (for example, Thrawn) in the EU, but in the movies, you basically just see celebrations all over the galaxy with everyone cheering the emperor's death (and even a someone calling out that they are free now, if that wasn't clear enough).
Now, instead...and of course that massive imperial fleet decides to attack the rebels after the death star is destroyed...
The probability is that the Rebel fleet was destroyed and Endor also destroyed...but...hey...what's a little canon.
In addition, when directly asked about Plageius, they pretended they had no idea (or really had no idea) who he was or if he existed.
That was in a panel with Abrahms and some others a while back, I think someone may have posted a link to it.
As I said, it's AMAZING...how much slack people will give Abrahms as he apparently destroys the canon...and even make excuses for him doing it...
Whilst Lambasting the original creator. There are parts of the Prequels that I don't like, but I'd say I respect Lucas's vision a tad more than what I've heard about what Abrahms has been doing thus far (doing the same thing he did to Star Trek to Star Wars because he can't be bothered in actually sticking to someone else's canon).
I could be pleasantly surprised, but thus far...really hating the changes to canon that have already been made (and fulfilled those rumors already) and not really caring to see that the other rumors are actually true as well.
I don't give him a pass...ESPECIALLY when it comes to the original trilogy.
As some have stated in other places...we traded the EU...for THIS???
Hence the rumors that Plagueis is completely ignored.
GreyWolfLord, can you provide a link showing where *any* of what you just outlined is claimed to be official? I honestly think you are misunderstanding something, or read some bit of misinformation or something ...
Also, what do you mean by 'The book isn't written in a flavor I really like either'? What book are you talking about?
It's in the book. In it, it turns the celebrations you see into a massacre. Everyone flees and has to run...
That's actually what happens in the book...
The OLD canon had it that the Imperials were held together by the Emperor and quickly fell apart. Lucas expanded this to try to show that indeed much of the Empire fell quickly by showing all the celebrations at the end. There were remaining forces, but they weren't unified by any means, and the New Republic was pretty massive and put in place rather quickly. They still had challenges (for example, Thrawn) in the EU, but in the movies, you basically just see celebrations all over the galaxy with everyone cheering the emperor's death (and even a someone calling out that they are free now, if that wasn't clear enough).
Now, instead...and of course that massive imperial fleet decides to attack the rebels after the death star is destroyed...
The probability is that the Rebel fleet was destroyed and Endor also destroyed...but...hey...what's a little canon.
In addition, when directly asked about Plageius, they pretended they had no idea (or really had no idea) who he was or if he existed.
That was in a panel with Abrahms and some others a while back, I think someone may have posted a link to it.
As I said, it's AMAZING...how much slack people will give Abrahms as he apparently destroys the canon...and even make excuses for him doing it...
Whilst Lambasting the original creator. There are parts of the Prequels that I don't like, but I'd say I respect Lucas's vision a tad more than what I've heard about what Abrahms has been doing thus far (doing the same thing he did to Star...
iirc, there was some confusion at the end of rotj because the imperial fleet was far, far larger than the rebel one, and a war of attrition would have easily gone to the imperials.
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GreyWolfLord, can you provide a link showing where *any* of what you just outlined is claimed to be official? I honestly think you are misunderstanding something, or read some bit of misinformation or something ...
Also, what do you mean by 'The book isn't written in a flavor I really like either'? What book are you talking about?
It's in the book. In it, it turns the celebrations you see into a massacre. Everyone flees and has to run...
That's actually what happens in the book...
The OLD canon had it that the Imperials were held together by the Emperor and quickly fell apart. Lucas expanded this to try to show that indeed much of the Empire fell quickly by showing all the celebrations at the end. There were remaining forces, but they weren't unified by any means, and the New Republic was pretty massive and put in place rather quickly. They still had challenges (for example, Thrawn) in the EU, but in the movies, you basically just see celebrations all over the galaxy with everyone cheering the emperor's death (and even a someone calling out that they are free now, if that wasn't clear enough).
Now, instead...and of course that massive imperial fleet decides to attack the rebels after the death star is destroyed...
The probability is that the Rebel fleet was destroyed and Endor also destroyed...but...hey...what's a little canon.
In addition, when directly asked about Plageius, they pretended they had no idea (or really had no idea) who he was or if he existed.
That was in a panel with Abrahms and some others a while back, I think someone may have posted a link to it.
As I said, it's AMAZING...how much slack people will give Abrahms as he apparently destroys the canon...and even make excuses for him doing it...
Whilst Lambasting the original creator. There are parts of the Prequels that I don't like, but I'd say I respect Lucas's vision a tad more than what I've heard about what Abrahms has been doing thus far (doing the same thing he did to Star...
So whats the book called? spent some time looking for these details but nothing comes up
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What's amazing is the conclusions you leap to GreyWolf.
You have nothing to back ANY of what you said up.
Oh, and Lucas is fine with it since he still has creative control of Star Wars.
It's okay.
I can feel the hate radiating from him- it is STRONG with this one.
One day, I may have to have him strike me down with all of his hatred, so that his journey to the hate side can be complete.
I'm just amazed at how much people criticize Lucas...but when someone else who isn't even the original creator does worse...they cheer him.
They forget that without Lucas, there wouldn't even be a Star Wars...
It irks me.
As for the changes, I'm coming in as a Star Wars movie fan, but not really a fan of much else (I suppose more like the general public than the hardcore fanatics).
I don't really care if they discontinue most of the EU and other things, but I think if the general public starts saying...WTH is going on with this...I think the Star Wars films may have one first really good profits, and then it will die a VERY HARD, QUICK death (ala...the Amazing Spiderman 2, where 1 profited off the old trilogy, 2 was a disappointment to the execs in many ways).
I'll probably go see SW:TFA, but right now my outlook is excessively low on whether it will be any good or not. That could be a good thing (being pleasantly surprised is good), but I'm expecting it could really stink right now.
The most surprising ARE the hardcore fanboys that seem to be cheering the same things that they would have torn into Lucas HARD for. Ironically I'm hearing a lot of "meh" from most of the non-hardcores out there...whilst it's almost impossible to read the news without some sort of article coming out about SW:TFA from the hardcore fans.
However, it sounds like the people making SW today don't like Lucas's stuff (ironic as some claim Abrahms was a huge SW fan) from the news reports. As a non-hardcore fan (aka, one that really hasn't read most of the EU and what I've heard about it actually sounded wonky...who doesn't watch all the Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons, and mostly just is familiar with the movies), most of the stuff coming out isn't actually getting me excited about it...more like scratching my head and thinking...why in the world am I supposed to get excited by this.
Everything sounds as if they are doing worse things to it than Lucas ever did!
What's amazing is the conclusions you leap to GreyWolf.
You have nothing to back ANY of what you said up.
Oh, and Lucas is fine with it since he still has creative control of Star Wars.
It's okay.
I can feel the hate radiating from him- it is STRONG with this one.
One day, I may have to have him strike me down with all of his hatred, so that his journey to the hate side can be complete.
I actually really enjoy the films.
I don't know if I'll enjoy the new one or not.
I'm just irked at how quickly everyone tears down the original creator and is very skeptical of everything he's done, but gives the NON-Creators a pass on the very same stuff.
The difference is I'm just as skeptical of the new guys as the old...but with the old guy at LEAST I can say, it WAS his creation and he can do what he wants with it.
Abrahms, well, it's not his creation. In addition, he already has a history of completely ignoring canon to do his own thing (I actually REALLY like the new Star Treks, but I think there are some very upset ST fans out there who make it clear Abrahms deviated greatly from what was ST). With the rumors and what we've seen thus far...not good signs.
If the fans who were so hard on Lucas looked with a skeptical eye the same way towards Disney (and can I remind you...it's DISNEY...as in Disney princesses and such)...well...I'm not so sure there would so much positive hype (and sometimes I'm not so sure it's not hype that Disney is buying rather than real hype) about it, and more discussion on whether such and such was a good idea or a bad one.
PS: Just adding, the Aftermath part was what I read on Yahoo News and then read the comments section on it where the rumors abounded on it.
I WILL say, having read some Zahn, I WAS dismayed that they discarded Zahn's writing for that...the writing in Aftermath was so terrible...I couldn't even fathom a professional book publisher releasing it, much less putting it at the forefront of a major franchise as their "canon" at this point.
But overall, not much of an EU reader, but when it's in the News...well...I AM somewhat of a news junkie at times.
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I'm just amazed at how much people criticize Lucas...but when someone else who isn't even the original creator does worse...they cheer him.
Well he did change the force from a mystical thing to essentially some form of parasitic infection also Jar Jar binks. After those two things The film would have to release a flesh eating virus into me before I consider it worse.
(Also I could be miss remembering but isent the courasant scene one of the added in scenes for the dvd high definition remake thing mostly to tie things in to the prequal trilogy?)
Well he did change the force from a mystical thing to essentially some form of parasitic infection also Jar Jar binks. After those two things The film would have to release a flesh eating virus into me before I consider it worse.I'm just amazed at how much people criticize Lucas...but when someone else who isn't even the original creator does worse...they cheer him.
Phantom Menace was just a bad movie overall to begin with. I don't have too much of a problem with the Midi Chlorians that seem to send fanboys into a rage.
They are just indicators of someone's ability to detect the force (a biological factor), not the force itself. Maybe it doesn't bother me because I'm not as invested into the entire mystical thing that more hardcore fans are.
Binks...well...he was just annoying (and part of what made PM a not so great film...I still watch it, but yes, Binks is annoying).
I think it would be FAR worse if the rumor that Han never got with Leia and hence they are meeting up with each other after a long time in TFA as far more bothersome than anything else. Han and Leia were together at the end of RotJ (and she did risk life and everything else to rescue him), after all that to say...nope...didn't happen...
Well...I don't think I'm going to be the only that is a tad miffed that Abrahms decided to do that if that rumor turns out to be true.
Plus, IME, characters that were supposed to get along and then have strife between them...sometimes makes everyone feel uncomfortable in the theater, and doesn't make for that good of a movie in many instances.
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I'm just amazed at how much people criticize Lucas...but when someone else who isn't even the original creator does worse...they cheer him.I'm amazed at how much you're inventing and twisting statements by the people making the movie (which includes Lucas) to justify your belief that Abrams is burning the franchise down and that VII will be horrible.
We know NOTHING of the plot besides some guesses. Nothing in what's been leaked or shown contradicts or invalidates anything in the cannon.
Gotta agree. Not sure if you actually are just misunderstanding and over teacting, or you simply have some sort of pro Lucas/anti Abrahms agenda to push at all costs, but it's clear you are operating under quite a bit of misinformation and/or seemy off the wall viewpoints.
Let's just let this bit of ... what ever it is die gracefully and move on, ok?
I'm just repeating the rumors.
So far, the rumor that the Empire comes back and massacres those at the square has turned out true.
The rumor that the bad guys are searching for the lightsaber of Luke Skywalker seems to have turned out true.
And in fact, none of the rumors have actually turned out false thus far, and everything stated seems to be backed up (the burning of the village at the beginning, the slaughter of the people, the taking of the tie fighter and crashing it into the desert)...
I've just touched on the BAD things of the rumors, but those same rumors seem to be having the storylines actually backed up to what they said was the plot and synopsis of the movie.