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Box Office: ‘Star Wars’ Soars to Record-Breaking Monday With $40.1 Million Domestically
Not to mention, pushing it's global total over the $600 million mark.
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Mary Sue / writers pet is a sore spot for me. I think it is a lazy complaint that has lost all of its context and now serves simply as a knock on talented or abnormal characters as a whole rather than a comment in a real farce. But then I like heroes, badasses, and prodigy characters, and don't think that the hero being skilled from the word go is a problem.
There is nothing lazy about it for me. It's not a complaint I make often, but this time I felt it was appropriate.
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Have you seen Star Wars movies before?Oh, I agree Anakin was a Mary Sue... And we all know how likable a character he is in the prequels...
Either way, let's agree to disagree. This discussion will only go round and round.
I think that's a great idea, actually. I have to admit, it's kind of bumming me out to read these negative posts from (the admittedly few) folks who seem to have really not liked the movie and are determined to tell everyone else why they didn't.
I guess it's an odd quirk of human nature that, even though the overwhelming majority of people around the world who have seen the movie (including many who have seen it multiple times) and absolutely LOVED it ... a small minority of people going on and on about how much they disliked the movie can still make me sad for some reason.
I guess what they say about a small vocal minority can still threaten to drown out a much larger number of people who simply are not as loud and vocal is true ...
I think the reason these negative posts are such bummers for me is probably because I really loved the movie (minor flaws and all) and had a wonderful time seeing it with my son, and I'm filled with excitement for the next movie and for the future of Star Wars again (feelings I was sure I'd never feel again, especially after the prequels). Maybe I just need to give this thread a rest for a while ...
So, 2 things.
1, don't take my opinion personally. Just because I didn't like it doesn't mean I'm saying you have bad taste or are a bad person. My opinion shouldn't influence your enjoyment in the slightest.
2, if I had just said, "I didn't like it," but didn't say why, would that have made my opinion more palatable to you? I think not.
I have to agree. I get that people seem to like it, but what I saw was a mediocre rehash of Episode IV attempting to ride on the coattrails of nostalgia to the point where it ruined the movie for me. I don't see how it having massively high ratings invalidates what I felt when I saw it.
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Have you seen Star Wars movies before?Oh, I agree Anakin was a Mary Sue... And we all know how likable a character he is in the prequels...
Either way, let's agree to disagree. This discussion will only go round and round.
I think that's a great idea, actually. I have to admit, it's kind of bumming me out to read these negative posts from (the admittedly few) folks who seem to have really not liked the movie and are determined to tell everyone else why they didn't.
I guess it's an odd quirk of human nature that, even though the overwhelming majority of people around the world who have seen the movie (including many who have seen it multiple times) and absolutely LOVED it ... a small minority of people going on and on about how much they disliked the movie can still make me sad for some reason.
I guess what they say about a small vocal minority can still threaten to drown out a much larger number of people who simply are not as loud and vocal is true ...
I think the reason these negative posts are such bummers for me is probably because I really loved the movie (minor flaws and all) and had a wonderful time seeing it with my son, and I'm filled with excitement for the next movie and for the future of Star Wars again (feelings I was sure I'd never feel again, especially after the prequels). Maybe I just need to give this thread a rest for a while ...
Actually, that doesn't seem to be nearly as true as you seem to think. I'm seeing a lot of things on Youtube and across the internet, as well as hearing it from a lot of folks that went to see it that they didn't like it. I'm actually a little more curious in why so many people are trying so hard to be apologetic for it. The "admittedly few" and "overwhelming majority" is just in your head. If you liked it, you are probably a lot more likely to agree with others that do. If you didn't, probably not. Both sides, and everyone in between is pointing out multiple things that they both liked and didn't like, and why, which is normal.
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I'd say the biggest difference is that Darth Vader was the antagonist, and not the focus characters of the three movies. As the villain, it's best to have some mystery. But, as a main character, or in her specific case, basically THE only main character in many ways, that doesn't really work. It annoys people. Now, if they would have mentioned in the movie that some of these things where off, of hinted that there was a reason, even if we don't know what it is, we can understand that it's not just poor writing and actually an intentional part of the build up.
With Luke, there was a lot of cases where he failed. He had to earn it. It cost him his hand, and he ran the risk of becoming the very thing he opposed on multiple occasions. He also spent years, making hard choices, and sometimes the wrong ones to get where he was. That's what we don't see with Rey. At all. Instead, and gender is 100% irrelevant here, just to nip that crap in the butt up front. Rey, instead, seems mostly to have all the rewards just handed to her. She doesn't work at or fail. She out performs basically everyone else, often at their own specialty, but without any plausible reason that we can see or is even suggested may exist. There is some fan speculation, but it's not really supported at all in the movie as we are presented it, so to me, at least it comes off more like an attempted excuse, and one that they are almost now required to make a fact for later, weither it was ever their intention or not.
I'm sorry, but I find it more plausible that the writers simply only had a cursory understanding of the setting.
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I'm sorry, but I find it more plausible that the writers simply only had a cursory understanding of the setting.
By writers, you mean JJ Abrams, a massive Star Wars fan who is extremely knowledgeable about the setting, and Lawrence Kasdan, the primary screenwriter of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi?
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I'm sorry, but I find it more plausible that the writers simply only had a cursory understanding of the setting.
Lawrence Kasdan was the primary writer, who was also the primary writer on Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I think he had a thorough understanding of the setting.
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I'm sorry, but I find it more plausible that the writers simply only had a cursory understanding of the setting.By writers, you mean JJ Abrams, a massive Star Wars fan who is extremely knowledgeable about the setting, and Lawrence Kasdan, the primary screenwriter of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi?
Exactly. George Lucas was also a massive Star Wars fan, right, and turned Darth Vader from the ultimate badass we had all known for decades into a whiney tween with emo temper tantrums. And my understanding is that Lawrence Kasdan walked away from Star Wars in between ESB and RotJ when they completely changed it from his manuscript.
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With Luke, there was a lot of cases where he failed. He had to earn it. It cost him his hand, and he ran the risk of becoming the very thing he opposed on multiple occasions. He also spent years, making hard choices, and sometimes the wrong ones to get where he was. That's what we don't see with Rey. At all. Instead, and gender is 100% irrelevant here, just to nip that crap in the butt up front. Rey, instead, seems mostly to have all the rewards just handed to her. She doesn't work at or fail. She out performs basically everyone else, often at their own specialty, but without any plausible reason that we can see or is even suggested may exist. There is some fan speculation, but it's not really supported at all in the movie as we are presented it, so to me, at least it comes off more like an attempted excuse, and one that they are almost now required to make a fact for later, weither it was ever their intention or not.
Yeah, Luke had struggles... over three movies, particularly the 2nd and 3rd in which the story continued to develop after his big Death Star-destroying hero turn of the 1st movie. We've only seen Rey for one movie. Kind of unfair to hold her to the same standard without giving her 2 more movies to tell the story, isn't it?
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Mary Sue / writers pet is a sore spot for me. I think it is a lazy complaint that has lost all of its context and now serves simply as a knock on talented or abnormal characters as a whole rather than a comment in a real farce. But then I like heroes, badasses, and prodigy characters, and don't think that the hero being skilled from the word go is a problem.
My biggest problem isn't her abilities, it's how people treat her. She gets trusted immediately by all the old characters and given massive responsibilities and we're not told WHY!
Notice my emphasis on the "WHY". It's not that she's trusted that bothers me, it's that we aren't given reasons for why they trust her.
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With Luke, there was a lot of cases where he failed. He had to earn it. It cost him his hand, and he ran the risk of becoming the very thing he opposed on multiple occasions. He also spent years, making hard choices, and sometimes the wrong ones to get where he was. That's what we don't see with Rey. At all. Instead, and gender is 100% irrelevant here, just to nip that crap in the butt up front. Rey, instead, seems mostly to have all the rewards just handed to her. She doesn't work at or fail. She out performs basically everyone else, often at their own specialty, but without any plausible reason that we can see or is even suggested may exist. There is some fan speculation, but it's not really supported at all in the movie as we are presented it, so to me, at least it comes off more like an attempted excuse, and one that they are almost now required to make a fact for later, weither it was ever their intention or not.Yeah, Luke had struggles... over three movies, particularly the 2nd and 3rd in which the story continued to develop after his big Death Star-destroying hero turn of the 1st movie. We've only seen Rey for one movie. Kind of unfair to hold her to the same standard without giving her 2 more movies to tell the story, isn't it?
Pretty much my entire point. Thank you.
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WHY
WHY was Rey trusted to find Luke? On Han Solo's word or Chewbacca's? Because she helped save the droid that had the map? She did actually fly the Millenium Falcon, though...
So, I guess that's one up for Rey?
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My biggest problem isn't her abilities, it's how people treat her. She gets trusted immediately by all the old characters and given massive responsibilities and we're not told WHY!
Chewbaca - Ditto, with less intelligible dialog
C-3PO - No noticeable immediate trust... or reaction at all.
R2-D2 - Ditto
Leia - Hugs Rey and sends her to find Luke... but this is after her husband and Finn vouched for Rey... and they all saved the resistance from complete destruction. So, not exactly spontaneous either.
Luke - Looked absolutely THRILLED to see her. :]
Any 'old characters' I'm missing? If not... I'm not seeing this universal immediate trust.
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So, I guess that's one up for Rey?
Luke had just been part of a team that helped to rescue Princess Leia where his mentor gets killed to allow them to escape, and brought the droid that held the technical readouts of the Death Star which was already on the move to destroy the Republic. Luke volunteers (we assume) to help out flying one of the absolute cheapest star fighters available on a suicide mission, and gets off a lucky, once in a lifetime shot, but only because Han, Chewy, and Ol' Ben show up to help him out when he needs it.
That's a pretty big difference. As in the exact opposite thing.
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If you can't see the parallels there, then I really can't help you.
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Luke had just been part of a team that helped to rescue Princess Leia where his mentor gets killed to allow them to escape, and brought the droid that held the technical readouts of the Death Star which was already on the move to destroy the Republic. Luke volunteers (we assume) to help out flying one of the absolute cheapest star fighters available on a suicide mission, and gets off a lucky, once in a lifetime shot, but only because Han, Chewy, and Ol' Ben show up to help him out when he needs it.That's a pretty big difference. As in the exact opposite thing.
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** spoiler omitted **WHY ** spoiler omitted **
So, I guess that's one up for Rey?
Probably also a good reason. I'm not the one having the WHY problem, though.
WHY ** spoiler omitted **
So, I guess that's one up for Rey?
Here's the thing, you're not going to convince someone isn't a Mary Sue by pointing out how someone else is also one.
Hey, this is a fish guys.
No it's not, but if it is, this one is also a fish.
Yes, that is also a fish.
There was a bit of dialogue that was cut from EP 4:
Red Leader pats Luke on the back as they stop in front of
his fighter.RED LEADER
I met your father once when I was
just a boy, he was a great pilot.
You'll do all right. If you've got
half of your father's skill, you'll
do better than all right.LUKE
Thank you, sir. I'll try.Red Leader hurries to his own ship.
Now, since it was cut, we aren't really given that info during the movie. But it should be remembered that Luke referenced being a pilot himself at least three times, plus it was referenced that his father was a pilot. Leia, someone with high standing in the Rebellion, can confirm both his bravery, adaptability and his gunnery skills. She trusts him after he rescues her from the Deathstar.
I would agree that all of this is still a little weak though. Regardless, Luke being a Gary Stu or not is irrelevant as to whether a different character in a different movie is one or not. I also don't see it as something that's directed at the character, but rather the person who wrote the character/directed the movie. There is some lazy/sloppy writing surrounding this plot thread.
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So, I guess that's one up for Rey?
No, there is another.
Here's the thing, you can respond with potential reasons why Leia didn't go. I could come up with those reasons myself. The thing is though, the MOVIE didn't tell us one of those reasons. So it doesn't matter how many reasons you can invent or guess at for why Leia didn't go, because it isn't my complaint that it's impossible for her not to have gone. Rather, it's my complaint that the movie didn't use 15-30 seconds to tell us why.
A simple line like:
"The Republic government is destroyed, I have to stay behind to help rebuild. I need you to do something for me."
That's all it would have taken. We could have had like 10 seconds less of walking up steps.
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Rey still has plenty of moments of failure in this outing.
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I would agree that all of this is still a little weak though. Regardless, Luke being a Gary Stu or not is irrelevant as to whether a different character in a different movie is one or not. I also don't see it as something that's directed at the character, but rather the person who wrote the character/directed the movie. There is some lazy/sloppy writing surrounding this plot thread.
But who really thinks of Luke as a Gary Stu? That's not a common conception out there. How about John McClane? Neo? Batman? Indiana Jones?
No, they aren't Gary Stus. They're action heroes. They have broad competencies, super-competencies in some areas.
Female action hero comes along... she's a Mary Sue.
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Spoiler:She doesn't even boast about being a hot-shot pilot like Luke does.
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But who really thinks of Luke as a Gary Stu? That's not a common conception out there. How about John McClane? Neo? Batman? Indiana Jones?
No, they aren't Gary Stus. They're action heroes. They have broad competencies, super-competencies in some areas.
Female action hero comes along... she's a Mary Sue.
Of course... The only reason anyone has for ever criticizing a female protagonist is because of sexism. This statement seems very reasonable and not at all condescending...
All those character you mentioned had previous training in the areas where they are competent. And they aren't omni-competent (except Batman, depending on the writer, and that makes him a pretty boring Mary Sue as well. Frank Miller's Batman became a boring character precisely because of how invincible he is.
Rey never had any Jedi training and learned a bunch of techniques out of nowhere... Learning just by seeing it once and/or remembering The Force exists is not any better. And she's good at everything. Every character is impressed by her and seems to care deeply for her... Why does Leia hug her instead of Chewbacca when they come back from the mission in which Han dies? Leia and Rey never even interact onscreen, while Chewbacca was basically a brother to Han.
That said... Again, I must say: I don't dislike Rey... I just think she's kinda dull. And I love the movie as a whole.
I would agree that all of this is still a little weak though. Regardless, Luke being a Gary Stu or not is irrelevant as to whether a different character in a different movie is one or not. I also don't see it as something that's directed at the character, but rather the person who wrote the character/directed the movie. There is some lazy/sloppy writing surrounding this plot thread.But who really thinks of Luke as a Gary Stu? That's not a common conception out there. How about John McClane? Neo? Batman? Indiana Jones?
No, they aren't Gary Stus. They're action heroes. They have broad competencies, super-competencies in some areas.
Female action hero comes along... she's a Mary Sue.
Make a thread about one of those movies/characters. We can talk about flaws involving them there. This thread is about Star Wars: The Force Awakens, so I'm talking about characters in that movie.
Also, for reference, I don't think Furiosa is a Mary Sue. I think she's a wonderfully complete character and the plot elements surrounding her are pretty much perfect.
If you want to defend Rey, defend Rey. Whether characters in other franchises are Mary Sues/Gary Stus is irrelevant (other than to determine what one is). Rey's status as one does not make all other characters mutually exclusive not ones. Each character should be judged on their own.
So feel free to tell me which scenes in Star Wars: The Force Awakens address the plot holes I've pointed out. If you want to talk about a different movie, we can go to a different thread.
You'll also note that I've mentioned several times that I actually really like Rey. She's a great character. She's funny, Ridley is very emotive while playing her, and I'm super excited to see her story unfold in the next movie. I love John Boyega (he's really good, I loved him in Attack the Block and was super excited to see him in this), but I think the movie could have even more amazing if he wasn't in the movie and we got more focus on Rey.
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Box Office: ‘Star Wars’ Soars to Record-Breaking Monday With $40.1 Million Domestically
Not to mention, pushing it's global total over the $600 million mark.
To clarify, those were ticket sales for Monday alone, which is a record in itself.
“The Force Awakens” has made $288.1 million in North American ticket sales as of midnight last night.
I don't want to jinx it but I want Avatar's box office record to bend the knee to The Force Awakens.
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Furiosa was AWESOME! XD
She was really freaking good at driving and fighting... Because she spent all her life doing that. She didn't learn it out of nowhere or by just seeing it only once. She was a decent but not amazing mechanic. Nux had to do the more complex repairs.
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Point of order...
The cheapest space fighter in use at Yavin was the TIE. The X-Wing was the most expensive and advanced production star fighter at in that engagement.
Rebel traitorous propaganda filth to be sure.
While lacking shields and a hyperdirve, the standard TIE of that era still out classed the X Wing in speed and maneuverability.
And Darth Vader's TIE Advanced prototype was arguably the most expensive starfighter at the Battle of Yavin.
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The most expensive and advanced fighter at Yavin was Lord Vader's personal TIE Advanced. It had shields and a hyperdrive, and was able to survive impact with another fighter and the trench wall, before allowing Lord Vader to escape the system after the rebels destroyed the Death Star.
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Point of order...
The cheapest space fighter in use at Yavin was the TIE. The X-Wing was the most expensive and advanced production star fighter at in that engagement.
I recalled that being the case as well.
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The most expensive and advanced fighter at Yavin was Lord Vader's personal TIE Advanced. It had shields and a hyperdrive, and was able to survive impact with another fighter and the trench wall, before allowing Lord Vader to escape the system after the rebels destroyed the Death Star.
He did say "production" fighter. I think Vader's was a prototype.
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Point of order...
The cheapest space fighter in use at Yavin was the TIE. The X-Wing was the most expensive and advanced production star fighter at in that engagement.
Actually there are two types of TIE fighters seen in The Force Awakens.
One the "standard" TIE and the second the two seater TIE/SF "Special Forces" variant that Finn and Poe took.
The TIE/SF combines standard dual laser cannons with a heavy anti ground turret and warhead launcher. Special Forces TIEs do have hyperdrives, deflector shields and high yield cells that provide additional power to onboard systems.
These versatile attack ships are used for everything from lead reconnaissance to surface combat operations.
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Saw the movie last night, and while there was a lot I liked, there was also a lot I didn't like. I'd give the movie a 6.5/10 or a weak 3 star review. Overall it was my 5th favorite of the SW movies, with the original trilogy and Ep 2 beating it out.
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The Good:
1) I thought the new cast and characters were very likable and enjoyable on screen. I'd be happy to see more of them in the sequels.
2) The action scenes and humor were both very entertaining and hit the right tone for Star Wars.
3) The returning characters were all great to see on screen. Han and Chewie in particular were integral parts of the story and stole most scenes they were in.
The Bad:
1) The entire plot of the movie was a re-hash of the first Star Wars (i.e. Ep IV). The first third of the movie was fine like this and the similarities were more touches, and I liked this part of the movie WAY more than the rest. The uber-plot really should have been something new and different.
2) The entire Starkiller base was just dumb piled on dumb.
2a) The fact that the beam/ray/projectiles it fired were visible on other planets during daylight didn't make sense if the target was a completely different star system.
2b) That it was powered by draining the sun. How did it even re-charge if the first time it fired had already drained the sun? There was no indication that the Starkiller could move, and instead it seemed to be a planet converted into a giant weapon.
2c) The idea that it could even fire to presumably any star system like that is also just over the top ridiculous. Simply don't buy it. Especially for a super weapon without having any other weapons with this capability. Could starships fire to other system to shoot at bases, etc?
3) When Finn gets the lightsaber and is fighting stormtroopers, it's dumb and over convenient that the one stormtrooper in the entire movie who has a blaster that can convert to a melee weapon which can stop a lightsaber shows up. Not sure there was a need to give Finn an early lightsaber scene. If JJ felt there was, then they should have shown a few stormtroopers use these weapons earlier in the movie.
4) The main bad guy was not memorable in a good way. He was simply too whiny and conflicted, and his out of control tantrums weren't scary, they just made him seem pathetic. The conflict with "completing his training to the dark side" by dealing with Han was enough inner turmoil to make him more rounded. Making him a complete loose cannon brat the whole movie was just bad.
5) Didn't buy at all that Rey just suddenly learns force powers without even knowing those powers exist. Sure you could explain it multiple ways, like she had training at a young age she doesn't remember, or they telepathically learned about them from whiny boy, but if those were the case, a line or two of dialogue could have explained it. Ex: "I just seemed to remember how to do that, but I don't remember learning it" or "I learned from him while he was trying to learn from me". What I think is more likely is that there was a scene cut in the middle of the movie where Han tells her and Finn that "all of it is real" and mentions a few jedi powers such as the mind trick. That would have planted the seeds of trying to use it later when Ray is imprisoned.
6) Under utilizing Phasma - cool villain who does nothing is not a cool villain. If her role is bigger in Episodes VIII and IX then don't bother putting her in VII if she has nothing to do other than get clobbered by Chewie.
7) after the final lightsaber duel, the planet conveniently has a fissure separate Rey from Darth Whiny. It would have been much more satisfying if she left him by choice because killing would feel like murder/he was Han's son who Han wanted to forgive, etc. Anything that would make it her choice would have been preferable.
8) R2 wakes up just after everyone returns from blowing up the Death Star 3 (ooops Starkiller) with the rest of the map. Over-convenient timing without any explanation.
9) The end of the movie should have been when Rey got in the Falcon and took off. The whole scene with Luke at the end really felt out of place and should have been in Episode VIII. Also, it seemed underwhelming that finding the map was all that was needed to get to Luke. I expected some sort of trial/challenge to be able to get there.
10) Supreme leader Snoke had a horrible name. Every single time I heard it I thought that he must be an urban legend (www.snopes.com).
The Questionable (while at least slightly bad, these things really just seem under-explained or under-utilized):
1) What is the political situation that has the Republic around as a government, but only funding the Resistance to fight the First Order rather than directly taking action with the military?
2) Is the First Order holding significant territory and effectively an enemy state, or are they a covert terrorist group? I had no real sense for how big they or the resistance were. Which made it hard to gauge how big a threat they were.
3) Why doesn't anyone know about the Jedi? Even if there aren't any around, this is a technical society with lots of record keeping - I'd think they'd be pretty well known from Pre-Empire history at the very least.
4) Why bother with C3PO having a red arm and making a comment about it without explaining what happened? It seems to me to have been included only as a hook to get fans to buy the prequel comic book that tells what happened (which is a bad call IMO).
5) Why bother blowing up "The Republic" when there's no indication about what's going on there. Hard to care about that when no one in the movie does. There's not even the hook that someone was from there and it was a peaceful planet not threatening anyone like A New Hope had. Also, could have used a scene with Leia wincing in pain as if a billion lives were snuffed out all at once. That would have been a nice nod to the original movies which actually would have had a direct relation to the plot.
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Point of order...
The cheapest space fighter in use at Yavin was the TIE. The X-Wing was the most expensive and advanced production star fighter at in that engagement.
You are of course correct, with the exception of the omission of the TIE Advanced.
Further the TIE was less expensive because they were mass produced and The Empire had gave massive financial and manpower (slave labor) subsidies and backing to their manufacturer Sienar Fleet Systems.
My more evil twin Imperial get carried away sometimes.
Fanatics are funny that way.
Saw the movie last night, and while there was a lot I liked, there was also a lot I didn't like. I'd give the movie a 6.5/10 or a weak 3 star review. Overall it was my 5th favorite of the SW movies, with the original trilogy and Ep 2 beating it out.
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While I disagree with the score, I think it's a pretty good analysis.
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Have you seen Star Wars movies before?Oh, I agree Anakin was a Mary Sue... And we all know how likable a character he is in the prequels...
Either way, let's agree to disagree. This discussion will only go round and round.
I think that's a great idea, actually. I have to admit, it's kind of bumming me out to read these negative posts from (the admittedly few) folks who seem to have really not liked the movie and are determined to tell everyone else why they didn't.
I guess it's an odd quirk of human nature that, even though the overwhelming majority of people around the world who have seen the movie (including many who have seen it multiple times) and absolutely LOVED it ... a small minority of people going on and on about how much they disliked the movie can still make me sad for some reason.
I guess what they say about a small vocal minority can still threaten to drown out a much larger number of people who simply are not as loud and vocal is true ...
I think the reason these negative posts are such bummers for me is probably because I really loved the movie (minor flaws and all) and had a wonderful time seeing it with my son, and I'm filled with excitement for the next movie and for the future of Star Wars again (feelings I was sure I'd never feel again, especially after the prequels). Maybe I just need to give this thread a rest for a while ...
oh come on.
If I can survive whedon and brown being on TV and Facebook existing, you can survive people disagreeing with you about an awesome movie.
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Just a rant.
1) Why didn't Leia start a new jedi academy with Luke running off? She's as force talented as Luke, and in the story books, there are lots of people who learn to use the force spontaneously. She could have done some self study, then go train up a new generation of Jedi.
2) Her orders to bring Ren back caused Han's death. You told your husband to negotiate with a psychopathic Sith Lord? Really? It'd only end in tears. Should have told Han to kill him on sight.
3) Ren, unmasked, looks like a weasel. I'm not sure why anyone would find him decent material to work with. Are the Sith so hard up they'd take degenerates into their ranks?
4) For all those who did not heed the spoiler warning - EXPLOSIVE RUNES for you.
Point of order...
The cheapest space fighter in use at Yavin was the TIE. The X-Wing was the most expensive and advanced production star fighter at in that engagement.
Actually there are two types of TIE fighters seen in The Force Awakens.
One the "standard" TIE and the second the two seater TIE/SF "Special Forces" variant that Finn and Poe took.
The TIE/SF combines standard dual laser cannons with a heavy anti ground turret and warhead launcher. Special Forces TIEs do have hyperdrives, deflector shields and high yield cells that provide additional power to onboard systems.
These versatile attack ships are used for everything from lead reconnaissance to surface combat operations.