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JoelF847 wrote:
things

bowcasters:
Its probably only good if you need something big enough to get through stormtrooper armor (which would make sense if you know about kasheek). Otherwise its just big slow clumsy overkill on the unarmored humans han is used to dealing with.

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JoelF847 wrote:
On a different note, what was up with Chewie's bowcaster being so badass?

In Edge of the Empire's (FFG's Star Wars RPG) language, it got fully modded.

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Cole Deschain wrote:
Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

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Or whatever. This is a series that recycles elements to a degree a Fremen stillsuit would envy.

Spoiler:
This is true, but my point is that the names the characters prefer to use are alliterative. That could be a clue.

Plus, how do we know Rey's real name is Rey? The helmet she's wearing on Jakku has the name "Reah" written on it, Rey could be a nickname.

Besides, like Irontruth said, brother/sister is a lot more poetic than cousin/cousin.

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Hmm, idle speculation...

Spoiler:
Suppose Han and Leis had twins, and Luke hid Jania Rey and faked her death so that Ren couldn't find out she was alive. That might explain why Leia didn't want to go find him, she's still resentful that he led to her son's darkside and her daughter's death.

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Laurefindel wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
On a different note, what was up with Chewie's bowcaster being so badass?
In Edge of the Empire's (FFG's Star Wars RPG) language, it got fully modded.

Is that canon or was it thrown out with the EU?


JoelF847 wrote:
Laurefindel wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
On a different note, what was up with Chewie's bowcaster being so badass?
In Edge of the Empire's (FFG's Star Wars RPG) language, it got fully modded.
Is that canon or was it thrown out with the EU?

IIRC Edge of the Empire should based on a new license, post EU purge.

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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
Cole Deschain wrote:
Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

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Or whatever. This is a series that recycles elements to a degree a Fremen stillsuit would envy.

** spoiler omitted **

JJ himself has said in many different interviews that neither Kylo Ren or Rey are their real names (that's not a spoiler - it's been said a number of times actually in interviews etc)

What their real names are, however, is a different matter!


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CBDunkerson wrote:
Irontruth wrote:

EP 8 death prediction

Unspoilered text; "Leia would be revealed as Rey's daughter..."

I'm gonna assume that you got that guess backwards.

Otherwise, the Skywalker family tree is gonna get complicated. :]

Accident with a time machine?

Yeah, late night ramblings.


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Marc Radle wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Pretty nifty Directors Guild of America Q and A with JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan

That was really interesting! I would recommend that everyone give it a look - JJ pretty clearly addresses his less in more approach to plot exposition (interestingly, that advice came from Kasdan) and his and Kasdan's intentional mirroring of the main themes of A New Hope in order to introduce new characters and a new story.

You also really get a sense of how big a Star Wars fan he is, how talented and creative he is, and how much of a decent, nice guy he is.

Like I said, really interesting video

JJ has always had some really creative and interesting ideas. Some of them just didn't pan out as well, or lost steam and became too convoluted.

I fully agree with the "less is more" approach. The few times that characters explain the plot to each other, they're usually doing it while being chased and shot at. It's a great way to do exposition, because you get it, but you have something else to pay attention to as well.

I'm also impressed by how different this feels from Star Trek. The visual style, method of dialogue, and lots of little details. It doesn't feel like the same director (though I haven't watched any of the new Star Trek's recently).

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Marc Radle wrote:
Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
Cole Deschain wrote:
Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

** spoiler omitted **

Or whatever. This is a series that recycles elements to a degree a Fremen stillsuit would envy.

** spoiler omitted **

JJ himself has said in many different interviews that neither Kylo Ren or Rey are their real names (that's not a spoiler - it's been said a number of times actually in interviews etc)

What their real names are, however, is a different matter!

Spoiler:
Ben and Beru, obviously :D

Matthew Morris wrote:

Hmm, idle speculation...

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Spoiler:
Except she told us that she did want to find him and up until the last 5 minutes of the movie, all of her actions back up her wanting to find him as being high on her priority list. Heck, the how Resistance command was standing there waiting with bated breath as R2 projected the missing portion of the map.
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JoelF847 wrote:
On a different note, what was up with Chewie's bowcaster being so badass? In prior movies it pretty much was just another blaster. Also, how did Han not know it was so badass, he and Chewie worked together for decades - but it was as if he had never seen the thing fire before.

Upgrades my dear. Always upgrades.

Without the Falcon to maintain, fuss over and keep in flying fighting form, Chewie had to focus on something.

Enter bowcaster Mark IV, the Chewienator (Kashyyyk patent pending).

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So...

5D+2? 6D?


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The D6 Star Wars game was the best version.

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There are other versions?


The D20 Wizards of the Coast one.

But not other good ones... :)

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I like this thread. At least no one down here is brushing me off saying I'm getting too intense over a movie. And I can talk about all my theories without people going,"Dude, what you doing, just wait till the next movie."

BNW:

Spoiler:

The Jedi apprentice series and some other during the Empire series states the living force is all around us. And there be lots of Force sensitive people, just most don't ever learn to use it. I can't believe Han and Leia having another child and putting her in foster care with a base run by Hutts.

Also, I'm easily impressed by any feats of operating machinery, since I'm a Real Life Luddite. Anything I don't understand, I chalk it up to the force. My friend said that you need force sensitivity to activate a lightsaber. Is that true? I thought it was just turn on, turn off?

I didn't like the yuuzhan vong series, but at least Jacen had good reason to fall, unlike a certain somebody.


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Spoiler:
Not Leia. Luke. He's a male, didn't grow up to be a jedi, and doesn't have a council breathing down his neck enforcing the no nookie policy.


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MeanDM wrote:

The D20 Wizards of the Coast one.

But not other good ones... :)

I hate the d6 version myself - in the hands of a 'new toy' obsessed GM, you get screwed one roll out of 6.

All my good memories of playing Star Wars are from SAGA.

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Seen it. Loved it. Didn't blow me away, but the whole of the movie was solid. Every scene.

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Spoiler:
Why did Han and Leia know nothing about Luke's wife then? Also the part where Rey and Han piloted the millennium falcon - they resembled a father and daughter tag team.


Just a Mort wrote:
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Spoiler:
Or a luke replacement. Getting dropped off on a desert planet and raised in obscurity seems to be SOP for skywalkers

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Grey Lensman wrote:
MeanDM wrote:

The D20 Wizards of the Coast one.

But not other good ones... :)

I hate the d6 version myself - in the hands of a 'new toy' obsessed GM, you get screwed one roll out of 6.

All my good memories of playing Star Wars are from SAGA.

Fair enough. I was mostly being tongue in cheek. The SAGA edition is a solid game. I just like the mechanics of the D6 game. But I completely understand what you're saying.

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Luke does not finish Han's sentences. Nor read Han's mind, though I suppose he could, using the Force.


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For the D6 game either everyone has to be a jedi or no one gets to be a jedi. They're ridiculously overpowered

Muggle: Yay! i spent 87 points getting a 4d6 repair!

Jedi: oh look i dipped into force repair for 6 points and now i use my force stat to repair stuff... hand me that bucket of dice.

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I played one of the Star Wars beginner boxes. Can't remember which one, but I made a really furry Wookie with a really Big Vibro Ax. All those blaster stuff..pistols, eh too new fangled for ol' school me.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

For the D6 game either everyone has to be a jedi or no one gets to be a jedi. They're ridiculously overpowered

Muggle: Yay! i spent 87 points getting a 4d6 repair!

Jedi: oh look i dipped into force repair for 6 points and now i use my force stat to repair stuff... hand me that bucket of dice.

That wasn't how it worked. At all.


I'm really digging the new FFG's Star Wars RPG series (Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion and Force and Destiny)


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Spoiler:
I have six republic credits on 5 to one odds that Her real name is padmae


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Just a Mort wrote:

I like this thread. At least no one down here is brushing me off saying I'm getting too intense over a movie. And I can talk about all my theories without people going,"Dude, what you doing, just wait till the next movie."

BNW:

** spoiler omitted **

Also, I'm easily impressed by any feats of operating machinery, since I'm a Real Life Luddite. Anything I don't understand, I chalk it up to the force. My friend said that you need force sensitivity to activate a lightsaber. Is that true? I thought it was just turn on, turn off?

Han used Luke's lightsaber on Hoth to cut the Tauntaun without any problem. There is no Force as such in the lightsaber, it's just that Jedi and Sith used combat reaction enhancing techniques to wield them more efficiently than non-sensitive users, which allowed for such feats as consistent deflection of blaster bolts, even when blinded (e.g. Luke training during the flight from Tatooin to Alderan).

Extended Universe part: During the construction of the lightsaber Jedi often meditated over the process to attune to the particular lightsaber which might helped with using Force on it and with it. Sith also used Force-based alchemy to create synthetic crystals for their lightsabers.

Of course it could be possible for a particular Jedi to build a lightsaber that would have internal switch that has to be activated with a force telekinesis, but none of the lightsabers seen in the movies seems to have such security measure.


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Just a Mort wrote:
My friend said that you need force sensitivity to activate a lightsaber. Is that true? I thought it was just turn on, turn off?

No. Turning it on is a matter of a switch; anyone can do it. Han did it in Empire, in order to save Luke from the cold. The issue comes with wielding a supremely deadly weapon where the weapon part is at odds between your sight (which can see the blade) and your sense of kinesthesis (balance, for want of a better summing-up word), to which the dangerous part doesn't exist. It's difficult to use a lightsaber well if you don't have a sense of the Force to help guide it; you're as liable to slice off your own hand or permanently part your hair (and a section of your skull) as you are to lop off your opponent's limbs. You CAN do it, but it's frickin' dangerous.

The official explanation seems to be that Finn is just trained in a lot of weapons, so he's going off brute general skill, Rey is untrained but powerful in the Force, and Kylo Ren is more experienced, but not really trained, and hasn't a lot of self-control.

I give it a 7 out of 10 Death Stars.


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Freehold DM wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Krensky wrote:

Point of order...

The cheapest space fighter in use at Yavin was the TIE. The X-Wing was the most expensive and advanced production star fighter at in that engagement.

Actually there are two types of TIE fighters seen in The Force Awakens.

One the "standard" TIE and the second the two seater TIE/SF "Special Forces" variant that Finn and Poe took.

The TIE/SF combines standard dual laser cannons with a heavy anti ground turret and warhead launcher. Special Forces TIEs do have hyperdrives, deflector shields and high yield cells that provide additional power to onboard systems.

These versatile attack ships are used for everything from lead reconnaissance to surface combat operations.

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Spoiler:
utter nonsense. I'll take a btl s3 over anything you would pilot any day of the week
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OK, so here's an article on io9 about it needing a second viewing to get maximum enjoyment, particularly if you were on the fence the first time around (like myself):

io9 wrote:
So see Star Wars: The Force Awakens a second time if you haven’t already. Especially if that first screening wasn’t everything you wanted it to be. This was the most hyped movie of all-time, released in a world where microscopic slivers of information become trending topics on Twitter.

Full Story


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The Wyrm Ouroboros wrote:


The official explanation seems to be that Finn is just trained in a lot of weapons, so he's going off brute general skill, Rey is untrained but powerful in the Force, and Kylo Ren is more experienced, but not really trained, and hasn't a lot of self-control.

I give it a 7 out of 10 Death Stars.

Rey isn't trained with lightsabers, but remember we're shown early on that she is skilled in hand-to-hand combat. She fights off two attackers who were taller and probably had a few pounds on her.

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Rey's history may have been spoiled in a videogame

Spoiler:
when Ren calls her "cousin".

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Freehold DM wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Krensky wrote:

Point of order...

The cheapest space fighter in use at Yavin was the TIE. The X-Wing was the most expensive and advanced production star fighter at in that engagement.

Actually there are two types of TIE fighters seen in The Force Awakens.

One the "standard" TIE and the second the two seater TIE/SF "Special Forces" variant that Finn and Poe took.

The TIE/SF combines standard dual laser cannons with a heavy anti ground turret and warhead launcher. Special Forces TIEs do have hyperdrives, deflector shields and high yield cells that provide additional power to onboard systems.

These versatile attack ships are used for everything from lead reconnaissance to surface combat operations.

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Spoiler:
Freehold, seriously, just accept it. The Y Wing was a crappy fighter during the Clone Wars when it was new, it was a crappy design when it was twenty years old during the Galactic Civil War, and it would be an incredibly crappy fifty year old design during the new films.

It was a slow, ungainly, myopic hanger queen when new and it didn't age well at all. Its cheaper and easier to find parts for it than the X, B, or A Wings though. Which I guess counts for a very little bit.


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pictures freehold hugging a y wing with spinners on the engine, a hula girl on the dashboard and fuzzy dice in the mirror while glaring at Kerensky

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Krensky wrote:

So...

5D+2? 6D?

Bless you and your children Krensky and MeanDM!

That put me in the Holiday (Force) Spirit!

Since Chewie punched would brawl damage at a 6D let's call it 6D+2, +1D to Blaster skill and it ignores 1D of armor if fired under 10 meters.

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To be fair the two seater Y Wing "Long Probe" scout variant was an exceptional long range reconnaissance fighter for its time.

The BTL A4 had the capability of several hyperspace jumps, sophisticated (for its time) scanning equipment, heavily armed and shielded compared to other scout ships, and the two seater pilot/copilot and astromech combo meant the scouts would not get too lonely out there in space.

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Krensky wrote:

And, just for the bad Baron...

Star Wars the Yule Log!

LOL. I saw that some time ago, the best part when I clicked the link then was that it had a 5 hr run time and 850K others had seen it as well.

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Jimmy Fallon, the Roots, the cast of The Force Awakens sing "Star Wars" Medley

I love Chewbacca staring into the camera.

I still can't believe how much Harrison is involved in the promos for this.

I think when he asked to be [redacted] he had to pony up some promotional air time.

Man, Ford looked jubilant to be in some of those comedy skits, must be the legalization of herbal green in Cali.

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Happy Holidays! Try to squeeze in the Star Wars Christmas Special this weekend!

I hope you remembered to be loyal Imperial boys and girls this year, Sith Nick is on his way.

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JJ Abrams discusses missing scenes from The Force Awakens

The Darkness and The Light


Krensky wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Mark Moreland wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Krensky wrote:

Point of order...

The cheapest space fighter in use at Yavin was the TIE. The X-Wing was the most expensive and advanced production star fighter at in that engagement.

Actually there are two types of TIE fighters seen in The Force Awakens.

One the "standard" TIE and the second the two seater TIE/SF "Special Forces" variant that Finn and Poe took.

The TIE/SF combines standard dual laser cannons with a heavy anti ground turret and warhead launcher. Special Forces TIEs do have hyperdrives, deflector shields and high yield cells that provide additional power to onboard systems.

These versatile attack ships are used for everything from lead reconnaissance to surface combat operations.

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Spoiler:
the problem is that the ship's mythos never made it onto screen. The hull was supposed to be more powerful, as was the targeting computer. The x wing was supposed to be fragile in comparison with more powerful shields. And it's a BOMBER, not a fighter

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

pictures freehold hugging a y wing with spinners on the engine, a hula girl on the dashboard and fuzzy dice in the mirror while glaring at Kerensky

..it would be a Maya Natsume chibi model with huge boobs, not a hula girl...


Laurefindel wrote:

I'm really digging the new FFG's Star Wars RPG series (Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion and Force and Destiny)

Does that use a unique system, or D20 rules?


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Jimmy Fallon, the Roots, the cast of The Force Awakens sing "Star Wars" Medley

I love Chewbacca staring into the camera.

I still can't believe how much Harrison is involved in the promos for this.

I think when he asked to be [redacted] he had to pony up some promotional air time.

Man, Ford looked jubilant to be in some of those comedy skits, must be the legalization of herbal green in Cali.

Friend of mine said she partook with him at a party once when she was in college, and he's not a good passer.

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MeanDM wrote:
Does that use a unique system, or D20 rules?

Original system. Here's an ad page.

I would like someone more familiar with the three games ("edge of Empire" "Age of Rebellion" "Force and Destiny") to explain the differences between the games. I own one of them. Do I have to buy the other two? Are they compatible?


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Chris Mortika wrote:
MeanDM wrote:
Does that use a unique system, or D20 rules?

Original system. Here's an ad page.

I would like someone more familiar with the three games ("edge of Empire" "Age of Rebellion" "Force and Destiny") to explain the differences between the games. I own one of them. Do I have to buy the other two? Are they compatible?

It's the same game packaged in different themes

All use the exact same rules and character creation toolkit, but with different careers and specializations each introducing slightly different abilities. The main difference is the obligation/duty/morality concepts (which should be seen as "flaws" for the characters, but rather opportunity to tie in with the story)

obligation (used in Edge of the Empire) is your relation with the galaxy's underworld (with great ships comes great debts)

duty (used in Age of Rebellion) is your relation with the rebellion (with great ranking comes great responsibilities)

morality (used in Force and Destiny) is your relation toward good and evil (with great powers comes great moral conflict)

The games are completely compatible, but you don't have to buy the two other books. About 80% is repetition of the same rules and guidelines. The remaining 20% is mainly about careers and specs, a few ships and equipment, a few adversaries and background information.

Force and Destiny introduces Jedi-like careers and specs, combine the force powers introduced in Edge of the Empire and Age of Rebellion plus a few more. I've heard quite a few people (including myself) purchasing F&D in addition to either EotE or AoR.

Our present game has two F&D character and one EotE in a cat-and-mouse game between us, gangsters and imperial inquisitors.


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MeanDM wrote:
Laurefindel wrote:

I'm really digging the new FFG's Star Wars RPG series (Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion and Force and Destiny)

Does that use a unique system, or D20 rules?

Original system using custom dice (with no numbers). Chris Mortika's link has it all.

TL:DR version: You build a dice pool according to your Abilities (stats) and skill. You declare your intended action, roll the dice then narrate how you succeeded or failed based on the result. Unlike most RPGs, the outcome is not binary. You can succeed but with a threat (something bad), fail but with advantage, succeed the roll with a despair (which typically trigger an opponent or environmental reaction etc. Its a very narrative game.

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