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Not that I expect a cannonical answer, but here's some stuff that's been seeming strange to me in the lore...
One problem I've had for a while is the idea of "secret leaders". Someone's identity can be secret from me, someone can have authority over me, but its hard to see how someone can be *both*.
Lets say a member of the Decemvirite wants my Pathfinder to bring him a soy latte. How am I supposed to know this guy asking for a latte is one of the Ten? The masks aren't well enough known to be identifiable, even someone in a really big really weird mask could be any joker with some paper mache.
Maybe he tells my faction head to tell me to go get him a latte? Ok, but the same problem applies. My faction head needs to know who the decemvirite are. *But*, we've got cannon that faction heads don't know who the Ten are.
Maybe faction heads aren't trusted (maybe Amenophus is assumed to be loyal to Osirion before the Society?). Do the Venture Captains know? Trouble is there are tons of venture captains all over the place. What stops anyone interested from scooping some lone low level VC off the street and emptying him of information?
Maybe only some VC's know? The VC's high enough level and protected enough to be trusted to keep the secret? If that's the case are their tiers of VC's? Captain Musello out by himself in a tiny little lodge gets orders from Captain Valsin in a bunker in Absalom who gets them from the Decemvirate? I've never gotten the impression there were hierarchies of VCs.
Maybe the Decemvirate all died in a skiing accident years ago and the VCs just haven't told anyone. How would anyone know?
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You must be like me.
Ally yourself to the power of Asmodeus. He will give you the strength to see through the petty disguises those weaklings use to keep themselves in the shadows. And weaklings they are. They had to call upon this awe-inspiring cleric of Asmodeus you see before you to save themselves from a terrible threat.
I learned many of their identities in that incident. And my minions and proteges search out more for me even now.
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Canonically, the Venture Captains report directly to the Decemvirate. That doesn't mean that Venture Captains know who is under the mask but I'm pretty sure when you see a group of ten people who combined probably radiate a greater aura of magic than even Razmir does... then you know that the people giving you orders are legitimate.
In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure that the Venture Captains recognize the actual vestments of the Decemvirate. If I remember correctly, their helms are literal artifacts in their own right so it is quite likely that there are multiple forms of magic, both divine and arcane in play protecting their identities in all instances. If PCs can come up with amazing things with a few months of planning and a level 12 Wizard, can you imagine what ten of some of the most powerful people in Golarion could pull off? Lets just say that we should be glad they are relatively Neutral.
EDIT: So off the top of my head, the only person I could think of who knows their actual IDENTITIES... is Torch.
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Lets say a member of the Decemvirite wants my Pathfinder to bring him a soy latte. How am I supposed to know this guy asking for a latte is one of the Ten? The masks aren't well enough known to be identifiable, even someone in a really big really weird mask could be any joker with some paper mache.
Simple. You don't have to know. The Decemvirate are also in known positions of power, like titled nobility or Venture Captainships or something else.
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Ring_of_Gyges wrote:Lets say a member of the Decemvirite wants my Pathfinder to bring him a soy latte. How am I supposed to know this guy asking for a latte is one of the Ten? The masks aren't well enough known to be identifiable, even someone in a really big really weird mask could be any joker with some paper mache.Simple. The Decemvirate are also in known positions of power, like titled nobility or Venture Captainships.
Actually that would be brilliant. The Decemvirate disguising themselves as lower level Venture Captains, or even faction leaders. "Surprise! Zarta isn't REALLY an 8th level bard/4th level aristocrat. She is really a gestalt level 20 bard/sorcerer with a maxed out mythic ranks!"
I also think there is a case to be made about them secretly moonlighting as the Patrons of the Aspis Consortium.
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Not that I expect a cannonical answer, but here's some stuff that's been seeming strange to me in the lore...
One problem I've had for a while is the idea of "secret leaders". Someone's identity can be secret from me, someone can have authority over me, but its hard to see how someone can be *both*.
Aw, buddy. I am so sorry to be the one to break it to you. Open your mind, sheeple!
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Not that I expect a canonical answer, but here's some stuff that's been seeming strange to me in the lore...
Aroden? (faked being a deity and his own "death" as well).
Rovagug? (deep cover agent pretending to be evil. It's always the one you least suspect).Miss Feathers?
Mike Brock?
Shorafa Pamodae?
The ten core iconic characters?
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I note that at one point there were ten *known* leaders in the Society, issuing orders about fetching them teapots and so on. Coincidental number. Then there was some fuss, and the number was whittled down some, right about the time when Torch managed to get away with their identities.
I would also guess that the Ten have ways of magically making their wills known to their V-C representatives. You know, like voices in Drandle Dreng's head or something.
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Wait a minute...
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Alexander S. Modeus wrote:EDIT: So off the top of my head, the only person I could think of whoknows<knew> their actual IDENTITIES... is Torch.
Well, there are some other people who either knew who some of the Decimvirate are/were, but most of them are either dead, or Venture Captains, now.
Venture Captain (at large) Kinevon, ship captain, Eagle Knight Captain, whose protege is an Undine.
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Noone Needs to know the identities of the Decimvirate:
Ever wondered what the secret Pathfinder Handshake is?
Ever actually looked into your Wayfinder? It contains ten values of y, where y = gᵡ mod p. Each of the Ten have knowledge of x.
Coming soon: 7-12: A deluge of counterfeit wayfinders with the wrong values in them flood Absalom and beyond.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
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DM Beckett wrote:Alexander S. Modeus wrote:EDIT: So off the top of my head, the only person I could think of whoknows<knew> their actual IDENTITIES... is Torch.Well, there are some other people who either knew who some of the Decimvirate are/were, but most of them are either dead, or Venture Captains, now.
Venture Captain (at large) Kinevon, ship captain, Eagle Knight Captain, whose protege is an Undine.
Sorry, I was joking. I switched it from "knows" to "knew' to imply GMT had already killed them.
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I believe it was concluded some time ago that as of season 6, 5 of the Decemvirate are really 5 of the 72 alternate identities of the man whose 6th alternate identity is Ven Levorox. 3 of the others are simulacra of the same man and were both created by and under the control of the same man. Of the last 2, one is his wife and the other is his sister (both whom are under regularly-recast dominate person spells). One of the latter has 14 alternate identities, and one of those is "The Spider". It is speculated that the wife and sister are also alternate identities of the same person.
The same man's 47th, 51st and 69th alternate identities are also Patrons of the Aspis Consortium, and the Season 7 PFS metaplot is really a cover for an elaborate ploy by him to replace more of the Patrons with his own alternate identities or dominated members of his household.
Drendle Dreng is really this man's brother and was once aware of all these things but was too intimidated to do anything about it. Drendle regularly drugged himself to cope or forget these things and over the years so addled his own brain with drugs that he can no longer differentiate the above information from his other varied hallucinations. The man sometimes known as Grandmaster Torch thus does not see him as a threat and lets him live for amusement's sake.
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I believe it was concluded some time ago that as of season 6, 5 of the Decemvirate are really 5 of the 72 alternate identities of the man whose 6th alternate identity is Ven Levorox. 3 of the others are simulacra of the same man and were both created by and under the control of the same man. Of the last 2, one is his wife and the other is his sister (both whom are under regularly-recast dominate person spells). One of the latter has 14 alternate identities, and one of those is "The Spider". It is speculated that the wife and sister are also alternate identities of the same person.
The same man's 47th, 51st and 69th alternate identities are also Patrons of the Aspis Consortium, and the Season 7 PFS metaplot is really a cover for an elaborate ploy by him to replace more of the Patrons with his own alternate identities or dominated members of his household.
Drendle Dreng is really this man's brother and was once aware of all these things but was too intimidated to do anything about it. Drendle regularly drugged himself to cope or forget these things and over the years so addled his own brain with drugs that he can no longer differentiate the above information from his other varied hallucinations. The man sometimes known as Grandmaster Torch thus does not see him as a threat and lets him live for amusement's sake.
That's right up there with the theory of Wonder Woman's people being a creation of Ancient Kryptonians.
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I believe it was concluded some time ago that as of season 6, 5 of the Decemvirate are really 5 of the 72 alternate identities of the man whose 6th alternate identity is Ven Levorox. 3 of the others are simulacra of the same man and were both created by and under the control of the same man. Of the last 2, one is his wife and the other is his sister (both whom are under regularly-recast dominate person spells). One of the latter has 14 alternate identities, and one of those is "The Spider". It is speculated that the wife and sister are also alternate identities of the same person.
The same man's 47th, 51st and 69th alternate identities are also Patrons of the Aspis Consortium, and the Season 7 PFS metaplot is really a cover for an elaborate ploy by him to replace more of the Patrons with his own alternate identities or dominated members of his household.
Drendle Dreng is really this man's brother and was once aware of all these things but was too intimidated to do anything about it. Drendle regularly drugged himself to cope or forget these things and over the years so addled his own brain with drugs that he can no longer differentiate the above information from his other varied hallucinations. The man sometimes known as Grandmaster Torch thus does not see him as a threat and lets him live for amusement's sake.
*blinks*
Ok, when the inquisitor of Cayden Cailean is cutting you off because you've had too much to drink, its time to stop drinking...