After combing the Dragon types through all the Bestiaries, it is strange to not see a single expanded list of Chromatic and Metallic Dragon types. I understand we have Black, Blue, Green, Red and White, and we have Brass, Bronze, Copper, Gold and Silver, and the expansion into the Primal and Imperial dragons is interesting as well, but why are there no more True Dragon types? Was Yellow and Orange just deemed unnecessary, or for a lore reason? It also is the same with Metallic dragons. No Iron, Tin, Orichalcum? It would love to know, it has bugged me for quite awhile!
After combing the Dragon types through all the Bestiaries, it is strange to not see a single expanded list of Chromatic and Metallic Dragon types. I understand we have Black, Blue, Green, Red and White, and we have Brass, Bronze, Copper, Gold and Silver, and the expansion into the Primal and Imperial dragons is interesting as well, but why are there no more True Dragon types? Was Yellow and Orange just deemed unnecessary, or for a lore reason? It also is the same with Metallic dragons. No Iron, Tin, Orichalcum? It would love to know, it has bugged me for quite awhile!
Old dragon magazines from the 90's (IIRC) covered the other color's at one point. They even covered 'nutral' dragons which were based on gemstones and were psionically potent.
Not 100% sure but that could be why Paizo cannot duplicate it? Not open content perhaps?
Pretty sure Dragon Magazine also covered Iron, Steel, Mithril, Adamantine, Lead, Grey, Purple, Brown, Pewter, and Electrum True Dragons.
I remember the art from the missing Chromatics, it was cool.
Open content doesn't cover 1st & 2nd Editions.
The also covered at least another 50-100 types of dragons.
I doubt Wizards could really claim to own certain metals for dragon purposes. Gem dragons, on the other hands...
I doubt Wizards could really claim to own certain metals for dragon purposes. Gem dragons, on the other hands...
Probably not. And I am no lawyer but if they have published something in something they own and NOT listed it as OC then other companies my err on the side of caution before duplicating something similar.
"Excuse me, but we own the color purple. Please GTFO."
"Excuse me, but we own the color purple. Please GTFO."
Hey TSR copyrighted Nazi at one point, right?
Actually, it was a misprint in an Indiana Jones module preface but for a long time folks thought that.
Has nothing really to do with WotC content, and more to do with us wanting to keep the true dragon families limited to groups of 5. We'll do more of them, but always in groups of 5 with new themes.
Thank you for the clarification, and thank you for taking the time to clarify!
Mechanically speaking, I always wanted to see dragons who, instead of expanding their arcane spell lists to include cleric spells, had their lists expanded to include the druid list. Iron dragons specifically came to mind, but it would make sense if such dragons were neutral in nature.
I think we can feasibly expect to see some gem dragons with psychic magic in occult, I think they already mentioned crystal dragons by name.
Primal Dragons were the ones to truly impress me. I really like most of them and love the Crystal and Cloud in particular.
And then there is the Golarion specific Spine Dragon...really like that one, also!
While I would love to see an occult/psychic themed group of true dragons, I doubt they will be introduced in a campaign specific softcover book. Now if were getting a Bestiary 5 this year, knock on wood, then I could see them showing up in there.
Fourshadow, I also really do like the Cloud and Crystal dragons. I do hope that one day we will get better art for the Crystal dragon though.
There used to be steel dragons aka Greyhawk dragons too.
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Next we have the fundamental force dragons: Gravitational Dragons, Electromagnetic Dragaons, Weak Atomic Dragons, and Strong Atomic Dragons. There is an entry for Time Dragons the people can perceive, but it doesn't really exist.
I think the color coded dragons should go away for somthing more interesting. Not because judging sentinents by race or color is wrong, but because it is boring. And iron, steel, titanium, sheet metal and whatnot dragons would need more than stats to be interesting. IMOP.
How about Quantum Dragons?
NG, NE, N, LN and CN dragons... basically alignment/balance dragons.
I slightly alter Dragons in my games.
They're in groups of 7:
Red (CE)
Blue (LE)
Green (LE)
Black (CE
White (CE)
Yellow (LE)
Brown (NE)
Gold (LG)
Silver (LG)
Bronze (CG)
Copper (LG)
Iron (CG) (metallic black)
Cobalt (CG) (metallic blue)
Titanium (NG) (metallic dark gray)
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Brass and Gold are way too similar in color for my tastes, so Brass Dragons get redesigned into Iron Dragons.
I would love outer planar dragons-Holy(NG), Dark(NE), Chaos(CN), Axiom(LN), and Quintessence(N)
Green dragons are basically druids for all intents and purposes. :P
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I would also like to see some occult/psychic dragons- Astral, Chakra, Dream, Esper, and Spirit.
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NG, NE, N, LN and CN dragons... basically alignment/balance dragons.
Check out this thread on ENWorld for examples of NE and NG dragons including lots of d20 ones.