Can an oracle gain a spell from a different mystery?


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Is there a way for an oracle (PFS-restricted) to gain a "bonus" spell from a different mystery?

I have a Life mystery oracle with a level 9 feat. Is there any feat, item, curse, etc. that can add the Spiritual Weapon or Spiritual Ally spell from the Ancestor mystery to a Life mystery oracle?

Yes, oracles already gain that spell naturally, so this appears to be a crazy question, but there is a HUGE difference for PFS.

Oracles that gain Spiritual Weapon (or Ally) from the cleric list must use their Wisdom for the spell. Oracles that gain the spell(s) via a mystery get to use their Charisma for the spell.

(or if there are any new methods introduced oracles to use CHA for Spiritual Weapon or Spiritual Ally, I'm all ears)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

No, there isn't, outside of some 3rd party source I don't know about. and Spiritual Weapon remains in an ugly place for most oracles.


LazarX wrote:
No, there isn't, outside of some 3rd party source I don't know about. and Spiritual Weapon remains in an ugly place for most oracles.

That was what I thought the answer would still be, but I'm not proficient with the latest releases on material.

The Spirit Guide archetype for oracles opened up an additional way to get pseudo mystery (no choice) spells, but I didn't see a means for a shaman's wandering spirit to gain the Spiritual Weapon/Ally spells either.


Rory wrote:


Oracles that gain Spiritual Weapon (or Ally) from the cleric list must use their Wisdom for the spell. Oracles that gain the spell(s) via a mystery get to use their Charisma for the spell.

Sorry, but that's just silly. Use CHA in place of WIS for Oracles.

Spiritual Weapon isn't OP and swapping CHA for WIS isn't going to break the class. Sheesh.

Dark Archive

In PFS he can't do that.

Sadly, you're gonna be up a creek on this one, Rory.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Havoq wrote:
Rory wrote:


Oracles that gain Spiritual Weapon (or Ally) from the cleric list must use their Wisdom for the spell. Oracles that gain the spell(s) via a mystery get to use their Charisma for the spell.

Sorry, but that's just silly. Use CHA in place of WIS for Oracles.

Spiritual Weapon isn't OP and swapping CHA for WIS isn't going to break the class. Sheesh.

Here's the PDT response on the issue. As Seranov says, PFS has to follow the RAW.


Seranov wrote:
Sadly, you're gonna be up a creek on this one, Rory.

I've been up a creek since they made that ruling. However, the Paizo design team keeps inventing paddles every day.

The Spirit Guide archetype opened up a path to new mystery spells, just not Spiritual Weapon... yet. If they make a shaman spirit for the Ancestor oracle mystery, or another that uses Spiritual Weapon, the dots will be connected.

And since they made Shamans the best Spiritual Ally users in the game, yet didn't include the spell in their list, it is likely just a matter of time before a wandering spirit grants the Spiritual Ally (or Spiritual Weapon) spell.

Patience is a virtue...


Here is the most current PFS Ruling on Oracles and Spiritual Weapon...

John Compton Speaks

This question is one I’ve considered for some time, and following my discussions with Mike Brock and Sean K Reynolds about a FAQ post earlier this year, I’ve made a decision. A character who receives spiritual weapon and/or spiritual ally as a bonus spell (such as an oracle mystery spell or witch patron spell) may use her primary spellcasting ability score in place of her Wisdom score when calculating the spell’s attack bonus. In this way a select set of characters that would otherwise have no choice but to learn the spell (e.g. spirits patron witches, ancestors mystery oracles, and sacred servant paladins with the war domain) can still make effective use of a character feature.

This ruling only applies to the two spells mentioned above and does not modify any other spells that may have similar circumstances. This ruling does not alter how the above spells function for characters who do not receive those spells as bonus spells.

This is a clarification that we are using for Pathfinder Society Organized Play. We plan on updating this in future update of the Pathfinder Society FAQ.


Rory wrote:
Seranov wrote:
Sadly, you're gonna be up a creek on this one, Rory.

I've been up a creek since they made that ruling. However, the Paizo design team keeps inventing paddles every day.

The Spirit Guide archetype opened up a path to new mystery spells, just not Spiritual Weapon... yet. If they make a shaman spirit for the Ancestor oracle mystery, or another that uses Spiritual Weapon, the dots will be connected.

And since they made Shamans the best Spiritual Ally users in the game, yet didn't include the spell in their list, it is likely just a matter of time before a wandering spirit grants the Spiritual Ally (or Spiritual Weapon) spell.

Patience is a virtue...

it is for humans and half humans only:)


Rory wrote:

The Spirit Guide archetype opened up a path to new mystery spells, just not Spiritual Weapon... yet. If they make a shaman spirit for the Ancestor oracle mystery, or another that uses Spiritual Weapon, the dots will be connected.

The Ancestors Mystery is now converted to an Ancestors Spirit, per the Player Companion: Cohorts and Companions.

As of today, the PFS team hasn't had a chance to include and of that Player Companion into the Additional Resources list. However, Mike Brock said that was just a matter of time (back in May) as it is done monthly. So, it should be very imminent. I have no idea if the Ancestors Spirit will be allowed, but I see no reason that it shouldn't be.

Life Oracle (APG)
- Spirit Guide archetype (UCG)
- Ancestors Spirit (Player Companion: Cohorts and Companions)

Spiritual Weapon is gained as a class feature, which causes the spell to use CHA instead of WIS (per John Compton, linked above).

Hurrah!


The PFS team has officially approved the Ancestors Spirit for PFS.

Life Oracle (APG)
- Spirit Guide archetype (UCG)
- Ancestors Spirit (Player Companion: Cohorts and Companions)

Spiritual Weapon is gained as a class feature (via Ancestors Spirit), which causes the spell to use CHA instead of WIS (per John Compton, linked above).

Does this build work to use CHA for Spiritual Weapon for an oracle? Am I missing anything?

Silver Crusade

Oh, awesome! Another Spirit for Lyric the Singing Paladin to choose from! The Spirit Guide Archetype is the gift that keeps on giving, with ever more options to choose from.

Capt Darling wrote:
it is for humans and half humans only:)

I don't see any limitations on that archetype.

Hmm


He was referring to the human shaman FCB for choosing cleric spells.

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