A wolf is not eligible for this feat. It is always "armed" with its teeth.
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That's like saying a tusked orc, a tiefling with maw/claws, or a tengu with bite/claws can't take this feat..
You are skilled at fighting while unarmed.Benefit: You are considered to be armed even when unarmed—you do not provoke attacks of opportunity when you attack foes while unarmed. Your unarmed strikes can deal lethal or nonlethal damage, at your choice.
Normal: Without this feat, you are considered unarmed when attacking with an unarmed strike, and you can deal only nonlethal damage with such an attack.
I see no prereq that says "you must not have any natural attacks to take this feat".
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It does whatever damage to would normally do. Improved unarmed strike does not increase damage dice, it ony makes it so an unarmed attack doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity. As a wolf's natural attack does not provoke, this feat is worthless to a wolf. A better feat would be Improved Natural Attack, which will increase the damage die from 1d6 to 1d8.
A tusked orc takes this feat so it can punch or kick - what it does with its tusks is separate from this feat. Likewise your other examples.
If your wolf is going to stand up on its back legs and punch you, well, then I suppose it could take this feat too, but it would never use it with its bite. Its punches, however, would use the table for unarmed strikes based on the size of the wolf.
To reiterate, since wolves CANNOT actually stand up and punch, and since they ONLY have a bite attack, and since that attack is "armed", they cannot improve their armed bite with Improved Unarmed Strike.
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DM_blake is 100% wrong. A wolf absolutely can take improved unarmed strike, assumedly only if it has an INT above 3 and so is eligible for more complex feats. At the very least the wolf can headbutt people.
As a medium creature, the wolf would have an identical unarmed strike damage to a human, which is 1d3. The 'strike, unarmed' entry in the weapons section shows normal damage for small and medium creatures.
More importantly, why would wolf want to take improved unarmed strike? Care to elucidate?
It will do unarmed damage appropriate for a creature of its size. You are going to have to justify how a wolf is making unarmed attacks with
fist, elbows, knees, and feet.
Maybe you can talk about headbutts, but that would likely preclude bite attacks.
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A standard wolf cannot take this feat as it has an intelligence score of 2. With an Int of 2, it can only take the animal feats. It needs an int of 3 to be able to take it, and then it would allow the wolf to attack with its paws (or other body prt that is not its bite). As it is a medium animal, it would do the same damage as a medium character: 1d3.
This is wanting to add iterative attacks to its natural attack routine. I think a medium is 1d4 and large is 1d6
fist, elbows, knees, and feet.
AFAIK this is monk specific rather than general so it can be safely ignored. The unarmed strike text never specifies where you must make that attack as far as I can see, although I know somewhere in the book or forum there is text showing IUS can come from any part of the body, including a body slam --- but I can't find the text.
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It will do unarmed damage appropriate for a creature of its size. You are going to have to justify how a wolf is making unarmed attacks with
fist, elbows, knees, and feet.Maybe you can talk about headbutts, but that would likely preclude bite attacks.
That wolf kicks like a mule.
Headbutt does not prevent bite attacks, just as gore attacks don't prevent bite attacks for those creatures that have both (gargoyles, half-fiend miniatures, etc).
An intelligent animal is smart enough to use tools, but might lack the ability to manipulate them. A crow could be able to use simple lockpicks, but a dog can't. Even if the animal is physically capable of using a tool, it might still prefer its own natural body to manufactured items, especially when it comes to weapons. An intelligent gorilla could hold or wield a sword, but its inclination is to make slam attacks. No amount of training (including weapon proficiency feats) is going to make it fully comfortable attacking in any other way.
Basically, animals can only attack with their natural weapons.
Eh. I take that with a grain of salt.
I see it as "most intelligent animals would prefer their natural attacks, but there may be some exceptions." Those exceptions being a PC.
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At the least, a wolf can make an unarmed strike by performing a body slam.
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The question of IUS + AC gets hotly debated every few months or so. Past threads can be found in several forums.
I still encounter PFS GMs that don't think my Constrictor Snake should have been able to take Snake Style, or Improved Grapple, because of discussions just like this.
It really breaks verisimilitude for some people.
But, to answer the original question, a medium-sized Wolf (IUS or not) would deal 1d3 damage with an Unarmed Strike (1d4 when it advances to large-sized).
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All characters are proficient with unarmed strikes and any natural weapons possessed by their race.
Strike, Unarmed: A Medium character deals 1d3 points of nonlethal damage with an unarmed strike. A Small character deals 1d2 points of nonlethal damage. A monk or any character with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat can deal lethal or nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes, at his discretion. The damage from an unarmed strike is considered weapon damage for the purposes of effects that give you a bonus on weapon damage rolls.
You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.
In conclusion, all characters are proficient with unarmed strikes and the damage is as above.
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Can you make personal jabs without provoking attacks of opportunities if you have Improved Unarmed Strike?
Oh, so that's what monk levels are for. No wonder applying the class to a PC feels like it's never as good as it could be.
You know you'd try it. Although, monk/druid lawful neutral wildshape would be an interesting build. Might not be the most powerful, yet quite unique.
There is a guide for that in here somwhere. And it is very powerfull if done rigth, according to the guide.
Flurry of strong-jawed Hippopotamus bites!
Or crystal ooze slams. Or unarmed strikes of a huge pouncing critter:)
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I still encounter PFS GMs that don't think my Constrictor Snake should have been able to take Snake Style, or Improved Grapple, because of discussions just like this.I didn't think that ACs got Int higher than 2. (Though I suppose you could spend their 4th HD stat up on it.)
Or Eye for Talent.
...Becasue when a wolf loses all of it's blood, it can't be alive anymore.
If a wolf takes Improved Unarmed Strike, how much damage does it do?
I guess the question comes up... given it has a natural attack that's reasonably effective, why would a wolf take improved unarmed strike.
And frankly I'm at a loss why it would bother, even if intelligent. It already has an option to attack without provoking an AoO. It could opt to do non-lethal damage with that attack. It might get more interesting mileage out of improved grapple.
So why improved unarmed strike - from the wolf's point of view?
Actually, dogs do box and body slam in combat.
You bother because IUS is a pre-req for a number of feats, feats that in and of themselves don't rely on unarmed strikes. Until natural attacks can replace IUS as a feat pre-req it becomes a necessary feat tax. An AC bothers for the same reason it rolls over and plays dead - because it's master trains it to do so.
And if you have the feat and ever wanted to use it, it's good to know what it would do.
This is pretty relevant for my eldritch guardian fighter that picked up Improved Unarmed Strike. I share my combat feats with my fox mauler familiar so I was wondering if it'd be getting a 1d3 unarmed attack option that can benefit from the Full BAB being provided by the fighter master.
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This is pretty relevant for my eldritch guardian fighter that picked up Improved Unarmed Strike. I share my combat feats with my fox mauler familiar so I was wondering if it'd be getting a 1d3 unarmed attack option that can benefit from the Full BAB being provided by the fighter master.
Now *this* is a good answer to "why bother" :)