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Vhalen Warren wrote:

Sebastian Hirsch wrote:

Jeff Merola wrote:

The 3.5 VoP was insane in that it looked good, but was actually a trap because it leaves your character lacking some very important end game abilities.

The dirty little secret is, that the party doesn't usually get less loot, it just ends up with the other players. They in turn use their wealth to support the VOP character when necessary.

It was bad design, and the designers of the current feat understood that. A vow of poverty is not supposed to be a good option of an adventurer.

Wrong. Dwarf monk with favored class monk gets -1 hardness to clay ,stone, and metals

Huh? This seems like a complete non-sequitur.

Meant to be an earlier reply but clicked the wrong one. Was referring to the person argueing about adamantine being needed.

Like I said since you're giving up things like spell Kenning for the archetype and gaining a little hit damage and fast healing increase of one for a very limited time, it's really not a huge deal.

I may not do it but it's fair trade. We may never get a ruling but it may not really matter so long as the GM doesn't mind a limited boost to fast healing.

Given that you're using a feat too, it's a pretty big investment at the start of game.

But I concede I can see your point too.

The reason it is important to me is because at lvl 10 he can give the same fast healing to anyone in the party who accepts the raging song.

Though I am thinking of being able to give the whole party evasion and than improved evasion at lvl 12 instead.

I would not allow that as it seems to be adding outside the original song. However, I would allow a Courageous Weapon to allow the bonus increase to be added in. Mostly due to it saying it increases the "source" in a much better wording.

That being said if you really want to give up what you are in order to gain a +1, I can see a GM allowing it. Not the worst trade off.

I can't say I agree. You say it's outside the song, but it is a rage power, that becomes a part of the song. The song is providing a +4 strength bonus.

The wording on skald's vigor relates to the strength bonus provided by the song.

If they didn't mean for it to be adaptive to other archetypes/items/feats than they should have stated it is +2 fast healing at skald lvl 1 and increases to 4 at lvl 8, and so on.

I wish there was an official ruling on this.

Hmmm Though it is stated not as bonus to strength but strength bonus in the song.

"+2 morale bonus to Strength"

If they have an errata on this it would clear it up. However, "strength bonus" you are thinking of would be more of a strength modifier.

"You apply your character's Strength modifier to:"

So the real question isn't whether I get the +2, it's whether I get +2, or +4.

Jeff Merola wrote:

The 3.5 VoP was insane in that it looked good, but was actually a trap because it leaves your character lacking some very important end game abilities.

The dirty little secret is, that the party doesn't usually get less loot, it just ends up with the other players. They in turn use their wealth to support the VOP character when necessary.

It was bad design, and the designers of the current feat understood that. A vow of poverty is not supposed to be a good option of an adventurer.

Wrong. Dwarf monk with favored class monk gets -1 hardness to clay ,stone, and metals

Okay, so here's my thing: Skald's Vigor states:

Your song and your enthusiasm combine to invigorate you in battle.

Prerequisite(s): Raging song class feature.

Benefit: While maintaining a raging song, you gain fast healing equal to the Strength bonus your song provides, starting in the round after you begin the song. If you stop maintaining your song, the fast healing ends, even if the effects of your song persist.

Totemic Skald of lvl 3 gets a +2 morale bonus to strength. The animal focus bull raging power gained through totemic skald archetype grants another +2 str, but this is an enhancement bonus.

If Skald's Vigor states that you gain fast healing equal to the strength bonus the song provides, does that equate to the +4 strength it now provides?

You know you'd try it. Although, monk/druid lawful neutral wildshape would be an interesting build. Might not be the most powerful, yet quite unique.

I suppose an intelligent wolf could take the feat, coupled with some levels in monks it'd look like something out of kung-fu panda.