Frog God Games 2015 Previews

[Jeffrey Swank]

Greg A. Vaughan wrote:

Libertad wrote:

I absolutely loved the Styes and its environment when I ran it for my old high school group. Seeing a whole setting by the same author will be really neat!

I think you will be pleased, Libertad. The Styes would amount to about one neighborhood in the Blight. So you're going to get your Styes fix but turned up to 11. :-)

Can't you just re-adjust 11 and make it 10? hmm, nevermind. =P

[brvheart]

All I know is that I am sure a lot off us would like a copy of that deities spreadsheet!

[Greg A. Vaughan]

Sorry, no can do. :-) It's still an evolving piece of work and is very much "in progress". But, I can assure you that all of its plethora of information will be included in a chapter of significant size in the campaign setting. However, if anyone needs a specific piece of information on some particular god of the Lost Lands, I can probably give info at that kind of scale based on what I know now.

Note: A specific piece of information would be something like: is Thyr considered a Hyperborean diety or Aesir? (He is both: Thyr to the Hyperboreans, Tyr to the Heldring, and Tiwaz to the Northlanders. Which came first or holds primacy? None can say, though his Hyperborean church historically was certainly the most powerful and widespread of the three iterations.) Not something like: Tell me all of the Nonhuman Deities. (No, but one is the orc god named Grotaag.)

[Richard Pett]

Jeffrey Swank wrote:

Greg A. Vaughan wrote:

Libertad wrote:

I absolutely loved the Styes and its environment when I ran it for my old high school group. Seeing a whole setting by the same author will be really neat!

I think you will be pleased, Libertad. The Styes would amount to about one neighborhood in the Blight. So you're going to get your Styes fix but turned up to 11. :-)

Can't you just re-adjust 11 and make it 10? hmm, nevermind. =P

but this one goes up to 11, heh heh - love that film:)

[Greg A. Vaughan]

What film?

[Greg A. Vaughan]

Wow, I thought Rich would be all over that set up I left him. Maybe he's asleep or something. Who knows what time it is on Mars or wherever the heck he lives.

Rich, I was actually thinking of you when I made the reference because I've never been entirely convinced that you're not actually David St. Hubbins (or maybe Joe Elliott).

[Tom Knauss]

Greg A. Vaughan wrote:

What film?

This is Spinal Tap.

[Greg A. Vaughan]

I guess my follow up post was less clear than I had intended. :-)

[Richard Pett]

Hah! Today it is finished, 547,000 words of madness are done - huzzah! Done, done I tell you mnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[ericthecleric]

Congrats, Richard! :)

[Jeffrey Swank]

Richard Pett wrote:

Hah! Today it is finished, 547,000 words of madness are done - huzzah! Done, done I tell you mnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Wow!

[brvheart]

So, that will be what size in the Tsar scale? I knew better about the spreadsheet Greg!

[justmebd]

brvheart wrote:

So, that will be what size in the Tsar scale? I knew better about the spreadsheet Greg!

I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem *may* have been, that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being *crushed* by a *dwarf*. Alright? That tended to understate the hugeness of the object.

[Greg A. Vaughan]

brvheart wrote:

So, that will be what size in the Tsar scale?

Tsar was 550,000. So as usual, in all thing Pettiness it comes up just a little short. ;-)

In the interests of disclosure, however, the e-mail Rich sent me said it was 457,000 words. So he's transposed those numbers in one of them. I just don't know which one. However, if the 547,000 number is correct, then it is basically Tsar sized for all intents and purposes.

[Greg A. Vaughan]

brvheart wrote:

I knew better about the spreadsheet Greg!

I know. I just wanted to point out that I will share info off of it if people need it for their current games.

[Richard Pett]

547,000 (it's been a long weekend Greg), that 3K of yours is but a speck as those edits and explanations and running notes come in, so quantity and quality surpassed...

[mach1.9pants]

Wow I, um, words fail me. Another Tsar sized undertaking? Jeez

[Richard Pett]

Aha mach1.9pants, don't worry:)

The Blight and Levee make up 2 parts of a whole, the Blight is the city guide teeming with sleazy madness and alleyways that lead to terror, with districts, NPCs and aspects unique in their horror but easy to slip into an existing campaign if you so wish. Levee is the 9 part (level 1-10) urban horror AP that explores it, and the things lurking in the corners of her mirrors.

The two can happily coexist or not, but like being together. I'm just editing it now, it's spiffing in its nastiness.

Plus, Levee is not only totally different to Tsar being full on nasty 18 cert horror based entirely in the city that spawned it, but its by far superior. Heh heh, have at you Vaughan!

Rich

[Itchy]

NO!! You have me desiring to obtain another Pett written product! The last one of those that I bought came with... something... tentacles... beaks... eyes... mouths...

Ever since it came, something is still creeping around in my attic leaving tentacle slime on the rafters.

On the positive side, our mouse problem is gone.

On the negative side, I had to build wire mesh cages around all the beds and install nightime buckets for the kids in them. Also, I have a pending lawsuit from an extermination firm. They want me to return the exterminator that they sent, but all I was able to find to send was the skeleton.

[Richard Pett]

I think you may have found my Gertrude, Itchy. I was wondering how she'd escaped, it must have been in that last manuscript.

Just feed her once a week (she loves tourists), never let her see any mirrors and she'll be fine.

Just don't try to remove her, I'm afraid exterminators just make her cross, heh heh.

[Endzeitgeist]

Richard, I can't wait for this magnum opus of your madness! :D

[Richard Pett]

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Richard Pett]

I hope it fully satisfies you Endzeitgeist, and thank you kindly.

I've just edited something from Part Six of the AP I've not read since I wrote it, and it made me think I need some sort of help, it's just not right:)

[Auxmaulous]

In effect, Mr. Pett is the "DM/GM" on this, since this is his...baby?*

I find that when the DM gets really excited about the adventure that he wrote/is going to run that it spells horrific doom for the players.
And Mental scars.

I look forward to see your monstrosity unleashed upon the gaming world Mr. Pett.

*(I wonder, if Abdul Alhazred ever referenced Kitab al-Azif as his "baby"?)

[James Thomas]

Richard Pett wrote:

Hah! Today it is finished, 547,000 words of madness are done - huzzah! Done, done I tell you mnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr!

EXCELLENT! >:^ )

[Astral Frog]

Is Cyclopean Deeps Volume 2 shipping the same time as Sword of Air? Bill sent me #1 last year but I have not heard anything about #2.

[Chuck Wright]

Cyclopean Deeps 2 will not be shipping the same time as Sword of Air.

[Shem]

Ah, Cyclopean Deeps....

[mach1.9pants]

Richard Pett wrote:

Aha mach1.9pants, don't worry:)

The Blight and Levee make up 2 parts of a whole, the Blight is the city guide teeming with sleazy madness and alleyways that lead to terror, with districts, NPCs and aspects unique in their horror but easy to slip into an existing campaign if you so wish. Levee is the 9 part (level 1-10) urban horror AP that explores it, and the things lurking in the corners of her mirrors.

The two can happily coexist or not, but like being together. I'm just editing it now, it's spiffing in its nastiness.

Plus, Levee is not only totally different to Tsar being full on nasty 18 cert horror based entirely in the city that spawned it, but its by far superior. Heh heh, have at you Vaughan!

Rich

Ha worried, no I am excitedly happy - as I seem to remember FGG saying somewhere 'we won't be doing anything on the scale of Tsar again' during the long, long times my pre order sat there, like a sad little child waiting for it's Mum! A bit like my Razor Coast pre-order, though I think that one was shaving and had it's driver's licence by the time it was done LOL.

So, yeah, another humungo-mega-weapon grade book from FGG? YES PLEASE :D

[Anguish]

Richard Pett wrote:

547,000 (it's been a long weekend Greg), that 3K of yours is but a speck as those edits and explanations and running notes come in, so quantity and quality surpassed...

Oh my. A Pettsar. I'm in.

[Greg A. Vaughan]

I threw this extra little tease out over on the blog at froggodgames.com, but thought I'd share here as well:

I told folks over on the Paizo boards the other day that I would not be willing to reveal my secret spreadsheet of 264 Lost Lands gods. It’s just too much of a work in progress. However, one portion of it is fairly well nailed down, though certainly with a few tweaks here and there to be made, so I thought I’d give a sneak peak of it here. That would be the “Common Gods of Akados”. Those guys whose names you’ve seen again and again throughout Necromancer Games and Frog God Games adventures.

These 47 deities are more or less set, and you can mostly bank on them (subject to necessary adjustments that may have to be made for the final version in the campaign setting). I’ll go ahead and list them out for you (in no particular order), tell you their pantheon, and their original source(s), as well as any pertinent notes I might want to share. As I said, most of them have appeared (sometimes repeatedly) in prior products, but a few are voids that needed to be filled and so are more or less original to this list. So without further ado, here we go.

Telophus - Lord of Crops and the Seasons (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate and Slumbering Tsar

Muir - Goddess of Virtue and Paladins (Hyperborean); duh, everywhere, the most undeclined goddess in decline that I’ve ever heard of. But, yes, she is in decline. She’s just a favorite of writers it seems.

Quell - The Sea King; Lord of the Blue (Foerdewaith); Razor Coast

Belon the Wise - God of Travel; Wanderer in White (Foerdewaith); Bard’s Gate, Razor Coast; a god of arcane knowledge, Belon is beginning to overtake worship of Jamboor among arcane casters.

Bowbe - God of War and Slaughter, Bowbe the Bloody, Bowbe the Baleful, Bowbe the Bearskin, Bowbe the Beserker (Erskaelosi); Bard’s Gate, Razor Coast; a fan favorite, this barbarian god came out of nowhere and remains amazingly popular among the more vulgar crowd

Pekko - God of Ale and Spirits, God of Grains (Halfling, Dwarvish, Gnomish, Foerdewaith); Bard’s Gate, Razor Coast; everybody claims a little piece of this guy

Vanitthu - God of the Steadfast Guard, The Gatekeeper (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate, Razor Coast

Narrah - The Lady of the Moon, the Pale Sister (Ancient Folk, possibly Neolithic); Stoneheart Valley; still somewhat under development this old, old deity represents the primary moon of the world. Still trying to decide just how far back she goes, so she’s still in progress.

Orcus - Demon Prince of the Undead, King of the Dead/Thanatos the Fallen, Deliverer of the Dead (Demon Lord, Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate, et. al.; yep, that guy, interestingly he went by a less-known aspect called Thanatos back in Hyperborean per Vampires and Liches (and now in Quests of Doom as well).

Thyr - God of Law and Justice; The Lawgiver; Tiwaz, Tyr (Hyperborean, Aesir); Bard’s Gate, Slumbering Tsar, Northlands Saga; Another god in decline that keeps appearing everywhere. Thyr also transcends into the Heldring and Northlander pantheons as Tyr and Tiwaz respectively, though the Thyr identity was by far his largest church historically.

Jamboor - God of Knowledge and Magic (and death) (Hyperborean); Barakus; still trying to work out some of the kinks in this guy. He seems to have had some authority as a death deity as well, though magic was his main area. Belon the Wise is beginning to move in on his old territory as a deity of magic.

Dame Torren - Goddess of the Four Winds (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate, Sword of Air; Handmaiden of Oghma; One of Reme's three patron deities for her influence over the shipping trade (the lifeblood of Reme throughout its history).

Moccavallo - God of Disguise and Treachery, Trickster God of Chaos and Disorder (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate; Possibly related to Loptr/Loki but I don’t think so. I’m still pondering the possibility though.

Yenomesh - God of Glyphs and Writing (Hyperborean, Anunnaki); Bard’s Gate; A long-ago transplant from the faiths of ancient Libynos, he is credited with introducing writing to the mortal races.

Bacchus-Dionysus – God of Wine and Madness (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate; Popular among the truly debauched, Pekko has begun a serious rivalry with him for converts in recent centuries.

Dre’uain the Lame - God of Craft and Smiths, God of Industry and Hardwork (Hyperborean, Gnomish); Bard’s Gate; A rarity – a gnomish deity that has found his way into widespread acceptance among humans. Not the leader of the gnomish pantheon, but likely the most powerful due to his vast body of worshipers.

Gromm the Thunderer - The Barbarian God (Gohtra); Bard’s Gate: An import from distant Far Jaati, Gromm in another of the barbarian gods that has found widespread acceptance on the fringes of society in Akados. He is known for his evil aspect as much as his more neutral aspect. He is the great enemy of the barbarian god known as the White Wolf.

Hecate - Goddess of Evil Magic, The Arcane Mother (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate; Formerly Jamboor’s chief rival in matters arcane, her church is not yet sure what to make of this upstart faith of Belon the Wise.

Kamien - Goddess of Rivers, Streams, and Springs (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate; I may try to work her more towards a primordial Achelous-type analogy. Haven’t done much with her yet.

Mirkeer - Goddess of Shadows and the Night (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate; Daughter of Hecate, look for her to get some love in Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms.

Note – Demigod of the Harp (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate; Servant of Oghma

Oghma - God of Song and Bards, The First Song (Ancient Folk); Bard’s Gate; Credited with lots of stuff: discovered music while dreaming, created demigod Note, used song to create all wonders of the world; Patron and Protector of Bard's Gate.

Sefagreth - God of Commerce, Trade, and Cities (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate; Very widespread and influential across Akados.

Thursis - God of Battle (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate, Vault of Larin Karr; Evil deity of battle and war, and a rival of the god Mithras.

Tykee - Goddess of Luck and Good Fortune (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate

Zadastha – Goddess of Love (Gohtra); Bard’s Gate; A long-ago import from Far Jaati, she has enjoyed immense popularity for centuries

Darach-Albith - High God of Elves, Firstborn; Father of the Elves (Elven); Bard’s Gate; Not a human deity but on the common gods list by virtue of being the primary god of the elven race

Dwerfater/Dwurfater - Father of Dwarves (Dwarven); Bard’s Gate, Chaos Rising, Slumbering Tsar; Ditto for Dwerfater and dwarves.

Grotaag - God of Orcs (Orcish); Bard’s Gate; Same for orcs.

Snuurge - Father of Goblins (Goblinoids); Bard’s Gate; and for goblins.

Fraz-Urb'luu – Demon Prince of Deception (Demon Lord); Tome of Horrors Complete, Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms; Remarkably popular in secret cults among human aristocracy.

Mitra - God of Law, Justice, and the Sun; Sun Father (Gohtra); Rappan Athuk; Another Gohtra transplant that caught on, Mitra has largely supplanted worship of Solanus and Thyr in the sun and justice departments.

Mithras - God of War (Hyperborean, Gohtra); Sword of Air; Long ago adopted by the Hypreborean Legions, a rival of Thursis and one of Reme's three patron deities as a city originally founded by the first Hyperborean Legion (under Polemarch Oerson) to travel through Akados.

Kudrak - Lesser God of Guardians (Foerdewaith); Morrick Mansion, Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms; a little like a lesser version of Vanitthu

Stryme/Strym - Stryme the Mighty, God of Strength (Foerdewaith, Dwarven); Aberrations, Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms; A dwarven god that was able to make the jump to human worship as well.

The Green Father - The Huntsman, God of the Wilds, the Horned God, Herne the Hunter, Cerunnos (Ancient Folk, Foerdewaith); Crystal Skull, Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms; A primordial nature deity that found his way into Foerdewaith folklore and tradition and remains hanging around after millennia.

???? - God of Gnomes (Gnomish); Vindication; A Garl Glittergold-ish type guy, he was unnamed in the source material, and I haven’t come up with a suitable name to call him yet. He makes the list by virtue of being the primary deity of gnomes.

Mick O’Delving - God of Halflings, The Little Miner (Halfling); Vindication; Like gnome guy above, he had not been named, but I had one for him (because I like classical fantasy literature and minor word play). Husband of Hester; widower of Sotheryn; favored drinking companion of Dwarven god of miners.

Hester - Goddess of the Hearthfire, Hester Full of Blessings, Mother Hubbard (Halfling); Book of Taverns; Included because she remains a staple in many human tales and nursery rhymes and her close association with The Revered Mother. Second wife of the halfling god, Mick O’Delving; Fell in love with a mortal halfling - Malachai the Effusive; Handmaiden of the Revered Mother; has affinity with dogs.

Freya - Goddess of Love and Fertility; Freyja (Vanir, Foerdewaith); Bard’s Gate and everywhere; Probably the single-most popular deity used in NG/FGG books next to Orcus. She is a transplant from the Aesir/Vanir pantheon of the Heldring/Northlanders and has found immense popularity in Akados. She is single-handedly slowly but surely replacing the Hyperborean goddess Zadastha as the goddess of love.

Hel - Goddess of Death; Lady of Pestilence (Ginnvaettir, Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate, Northlands Saga; Another pantheon jumper, she was for a long time the patroness deity of the Heldring (and for whom they are named).

Demogorgon - Primal God of the Earth, The Dark Creator, Demon Lord of Fate (Demon Lord, Hyperborean); Crystal Skull, Chaos Rising; Not your two-headed, tentacle-armed TSR/WotC version, we’re pulling this guy straight from Milton for our imagining of him (though he is still two-headed). Supreme enemy of Mithras; every 5 years the Fates and genii must appear before his mountain temple to give an account of their actions; often seen as two-headed with his aspects Demos (Spirit) and Gorgos (Grim).

Ades - Hades, King of the Underworld, The Darkness Visible (Hyperborean); Crystal Skull; Once again, this is the Milton envisioning of the classic lord of the underworld. How he fit in with Thanatos/Orcus, Jamboor, and Da-Jin (a less well-known Hyperborean death god) still has to be worked out.

Ceres - The Revered Mother, Goddess of the Home and Midwives, Goddess of Healing, Mercy, and Patience, Goddess of the Millstone (Hyperborean); Diamond Fortress (mentioned vaguely in Bard’s Gate); A big-time goddess among the human populace of Akados, the halfling goddess Hester is her handmaiden, her symbol is a millstone.

Archeillus - God of Rightful Rule; Protector of the Nobility (Foerdewaith); Doom of Listonshire; a favored god of the old gentry.

Pan - God of the Wild, Lord of the Flocks and the Hunt, minor aspects in music and fertility (Hyperborean); Bard’s Gate (one brief mention on page 86)

The Oinodaemon - Lord of Disease; Supreme among Daemons (Hyperborean, Ginnvaettir); Bonegarden, Doom of Listonshire, Tome of Horrors

So let me know what you think, and how we’re doing. Help me name the Gnome God and let me know any questions you have. I hope this little snippet will whet your appetite a little more for The Lost Lands.

[Voadam]

I was just reading the Castle Keeper's Guide to the Haunted Highlands and Bowbe and Moccavallo look like the ones from there. The author mentions in the book starting off hanging out with Necromancer game people.

How much overlap is there and any other overlappers I should be keeping an eye out for?

[Auxmaulous]

Greg, any update on the demon-god of Gnolls? I know that the current demon lord (his name escapes me - featured in Bards Gate I think) defeated another demon lord of Gnolls who wielded a triple-flail (who cannot be named) who held that title for several years.

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As far as Gnomes are concerned I would go with a mix of Sylvan and civil - not rural per se (that is more Halfling territory) but something that strikes a good compromise between rolling hills and hearth. I like the last the name of Mosstone(s) or Greenstone(s) but I can't think of a first name.
Sylvan: Dell, Dale (too soft), Dal, Koll - each is a play on hills or terrain associated with hills.

The problems with Gnomish names, especially a gods name - is that it has to strike a balance between sounding Gnomish, and hard (because he's a God that fights Orcs, Goblins and Kobolds + giants) without the whole thing sounding silly.

I wish I could be more helpful - but I'm in the middle of a re-write of Gamma World so all I have on my mind is Central Nervous System Syndrome, long term effects of surviving radiation exposure and ammo quality & sort rates.

Everything you've posted so far is very impressive. It's just too bad that the Lost Lands are so many years away. It would be nice (and I know it would sell) if you guys could put out a small holdover item with maps. Something along the lines of a Lost Lands folio edition - maps with a booklet (36 pages) that give a very basic outline of the core world - just to get the world out so people can start campaigns not directly tied to the main existing modules (Barakus, Bards Gate, RA or Tsar).

Something like this. The 1980 folio edition.

As a holdover item for people who want to run a wider LL campaign (which is a few years off at this point) I know it would sell.

Just an idea.

[Greg A. Vaughan]

Voadam wrote:

I was just reading the Castle Keeper's Guide to the Haunted Highlands and Bowbe and Moccavallo look like the ones from there. The author mentions in the book starting off hanging out with Necromancer game people.

How much overlap is there and any other overlappers I should be keeping an eye out for?

Casey wrote a lot of Bard's Gate (where Bowbe and Moccavallo first appear) and after Necromancer Games officially became defunct, I guess he recycled a lot of his previous ideas into his Castles & Crusades work for Troll Lord Games. I haven't read a lot of his stuff for Troll Lords, but I know that there is some overlap (I seem to recall a Plains of Mayfurrow on the Haunted Highlands map). However, none of it is official overlap, and there really shouldn't be any off of new FGG stuff (or old NG stuff for that matter, since we bought the IP). However, Casey is still doing work for us and we've got a really good relationship with him, so I'm not going to cry foul on some of his prior usages. But there is not any official connection between Lost Lands and the Troll Lord Castle & Crusades stuff other than that I guess some of these gods appear on multiple worlds (which also actually works fine for me).

As for other overlappers, when we produced Razor Coast for Nick Logue we made a deal where we both retain rights to the IP. It is an official part of the Lost Lands plus Nick can write his own stuff for it if he wants. If he writes it and publishes through us, then it is official Lost Lands canon. If he does it on his own, then it is not officially a part of the Razor Coast as it appears in the Lost Lands and would not use any other Lost Lands IP. Ideally we'd like him to do it all with us, but I am leery of a time down the road if FGG is out of business or no longer producing Lost Lands stuff that Nick would be barred from making use of his own IP. This happened to Richard Pett with the Styes and Dungeon Magazine for WotC, and now he is unable to use his own setting. However, for The Blight, we have made the same kind of deal with him so that he can maintain access to his IP in the future and doesn't have to worry about me, Bill, and Matt having simultaneous fatal MIs causing him to lose his own campaign setting once again.

An example of this in action would be Richard Pett's novel, Crooked, which is essentially set in The Blight (though he does file off the serial numbers a bit and call it Brine).

We don't do this with everything we produce (we generally buy manuscripts as work for hire and retain all of the IP rights ourselves), but we have made exceptions in certain cases where it worked well for both us and the author to be able to do it this way.

So Razor Coast and The Blight are other places where you could potentially see overlap. I don't know of any others. We do take our IP very seriously and don't allow its usage outside of these few fringe cases where we've made specific allowances, so there shouldn't be any others that I can think of.

[Greg A. Vaughan]

Auxmaulous wrote:

Greg, any update on the demon-god of Gnolls? I know that the current demon lord (his name escapes me - featured in Bards Gate I think) defeated another demon lord of Gnolls who wielded a triple-flail (who cannot be named) who held that title for several years.

Crocutus is still around. Being that the gnolls aren't quite as ubiquitous as orcs or goblinoids and that Crocutus is a Demon Lord rather than a god (I know some appear on the Common Gods list, but they are fewer and farther between), I did not think he warranted an entry on the Common Gods of Akados list.

However, he still appears on the Non-human Gods list and is very much a part of the campaign.

Thanks for the advice on the gnome naming stuff. Gnome gnames are indeed tricky. Garl Glittergold really captures the essence perfectly (better than Brandobaris ever did for halflings, I think), but is of course entirely off limits. Something perfect will come up, I'm sure.

As for Lost Lands. I think next year is a realistic release date, so putting out an abbreviated folio wouldn't gain much time overall. I still have to get through Northlands and Blight development before I could write it, but we'll get there sooner than several years from now. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff going on right now that is contributing to its completion, so we're not actually losing time on its development. Hopefully it will be well worth it. :-)

[MichaelSandar]

Some gnome gnames I've always preferred:

Bancobb the Wise

Brustle or Bristle Brinderfork

Arcadle

Jasper

Aqualis the Short

[Voadam]

Any chance of the gods being opened up OGC the way the demon lords in Tome of Horrors are?

It would be neat to be able to write an article on someone like Moccavallo in addition to Fraz Urb Luu for the EN world pathfinder magazine or such.

There are surprisingly few OGC deities.

[Auxmaulous]

Greg A. Vaughan wrote:

.As for Lost Lands. I think next year is a realistic release date, so putting out an abbreviated folio wouldn't gain much time overall. I still have to get through Northlands and Blight development before I could write it, but we'll get there sooner than several years from now. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff going on right now that is contributing to its completion, so we're not actually losing time on its development. Hopefully it will be well worth it. :-)

Oh, I thought we were looking at 2017 or later for LL - I was also assuming there would be a KS attached to it which usually adds a little more time unless the project is already fully written up (Barakus KS was incredibly fast). If its some time in 2016 then that isn't too far off.

I have no doubts it will be well worth it. Every once in awhile I will go an re-read Tsar, even though I haven't had a chance to run it I still think it's a fantastic piece of work.

[Greg A. Vaughan]

MichaelSandar wrote:

Some gnome gnames I've always preferred:

Bancobb the Wise

Brustle or Bristle Brinderfork

Arcadle

Jasper

Aqualis the Short

Thanks, MS.

I like Bancobb (though we've already got a "the wise" with Belon). Arcadle has potential. I think those are my favorites. Aqualis sounds a lot like a language that exists in the Lost Lands, so I probably can't use it (plus it's a little watery sounding for my gnome tastes).

Thanks for the suggestions!

Maybe we should come up with a Gname Our Gnome Contest at FGG. I'll get with Bill about it and see if we can come up with something good to do for it and let you all know.

[Greg A. Vaughan]

Voadam wrote:

Any chance of the gods being opened up OGC the way the demon lords in Tome of Horrors are?

It would be neat to be able to write an article on someone like Moccavallo in addition to Fraz Urb Luu for the EN world pathfinder magazine or such.

There are surprisingly few OGC deities.

The Demon Lords in ToH are OGC because I believe that was how we obtained the use of them in the ToH in the first place. I don't think that we'll be releasing much in the way of actual IP to the OGC, though (because then it's not IP anymore). However, looking over the list, a whole lot of them (I think about a third of them) are from real-world mythology or open sources like Milton, so those are open content from that extent. The only ones that wouldn't be are the FGG/NG original material ones.

As for writing an article for EN World or what have you, you can probably go through us to arrange permission to do that if they are able to declare content as closed (I'm not as familiar with EN World's Pathfinder magazine).

We've also got a Lost Lore series of pdfs coming up which might be a perfect venue for someone to write an article like that as well. Just because we don't go full OGC doesn't mean we don't want to let folks have a chance to play on our playground. :-) We just have to make sure we're able to retain our IP in the process.

[Readerbreeder]

Anguish wrote:

Richard Pett wrote:

547,000 (it's been a long weekend Greg), that 3K of yours is but a speck as those edits and explanations and running notes come in, so quantity and quality surpassed...

Oh my. A Pettsar. I'm in.

A Pettsar? I though the measure for 550,000 words was simply 1 standard Tsar... though Pettsar does have a nice ring to it.

[Mark Sweetman]

Are we measuring purely on length or on mindmelting depravity as well?

[Richard Pett]

Yarp.

[Anguish]

Readerbreeder wrote:

Anguish wrote:

Richard Pett wrote:

547,000 (it's been a long weekend Greg), that 3K of yours is but a speck as those edits and explanations and running notes come in, so quantity and quality surpassed...

Oh my. A Pettsar. I'm in.

A Pettsar? I though the measure for 550,000 words was simply 1 standard Tsar... though Pettsar does have a nice ring to it.

My thinking is that while the volume may be identical, the composition has... implications. Kind of how a liter of angel feathers and a liter of demon-armpit-sweat are both liters, it's important to label the containers.

Not that Tsar was angelic but...

[Richard Pett]

spooky, really spooky:)

[Voadam]

Anguish wrote:

it's important to label the containers.

"Igor, just out of curiosity, what was the name on the container?"

"Oh, um, it was Abby something."

[Greg A. Vaughan]

Anguish wrote:

Readerbreeder wrote:

Anguish wrote:

Richard Pett wrote:

547,000 (it's been a long weekend Greg), that 3K of yours is but a speck as those edits and explanations and running notes come in, so quantity and quality surpassed...

Oh my. A Pettsar. I'm in.

A Pettsar? I though the measure for 550,000 words was simply 1 standard Tsar... though Pettsar does have a nice ring to it.

My thinking is that while the volume may be identical, the composition has... implications. Kind of how a liter of angel feathers and a liter of demon-armpit-sweat are both liters, it's important to label the containers.

Not that Tsar was angelic but...

You guys are killing me. One of Tsar's new monsters was the flayed angel for God's sake. Man, what kind of sicko do you have to be around here to get some respect...

;-)

[Richard Pett]

It'll be like fighting puppies and kittens compared to Levee, mnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[Greg A. Vaughan]

Answer: The Richard Pett kind.

[Chuck Wright]

For some reason the name "Butterbrew" popped into my head as a surname

Take it or leave it, Greg. :)