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Y'know, there's a gap between "Wow, I actually agree with ____ for once" and "Wow, he posted something worthwhile for once."
I dunno if that's just good-natured ribbing or what, but thought I'd drop my thoughts in, because when has lack of full understanding ever stopped me before?
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Y'know, there's a gap between "Wow, I actually agree with ____ for once" and "Wow, he posted something worthwhile for once."
I dunno if that's just good-natured ribbing or what, but thought I'd drop my thoughts in, because when has lack of full understanding ever stopped me before?
For clarity then; my post is primarily the former. The latter is mostly humor, with shades of genuine frustration, meant in good fun. :)
Tone is hard.
Ah, alright. My bad.
Wait, does this mean we have to fight ewoks?
Because Caldeathe is secretly a wiseass and he might try to cast kobolds as the ewoks.
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From the blog:
"During this period members of the team who are not working on server performance will continue to polish other features already deployed in our Alpha Test. Updates to the Alpha will continue both to roll out these polished feature iterations and to test server capacity improvements. The Alpha will remain in progress until we are ready to exit the "hold"."My take away from that is they are going to do two things going forward: polish existing features, and improve stability/performance. I would think if they were planning on doing something else, e.g. adding new content, Ryan would have said that.
Squashing bugs and making the company function/AH work well sounds like a good use of the "hold" time.
Yes sir
I am sure we could put a list together, but I am sure they know what needs a nice sheen.
Ah, alright. My bad.
Wait, does this mean we have to fight ewoks?
[ooc]Also, are you sure you don't mean the Goblin Menace? Or maybe the Fancy Menace?[ooc]
Please tell me you didn't quote me just to highlight that typo.
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Please tell me you didn't quote me just to highlight that typo.Ah, alright. My bad.
Wait, does this mean we have to fight ewoks?
[ooc]Also, are you sure you don't mean the Goblin Menace? Or maybe the Fancy Menace?[ooc]
Nope. I quoted you because I hit submit instead of cancel, then deleted after giving you just enough time to quote so that I could make it look like you were talking to yourself. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Maybe it's just me, but Kingmaker has always seemed like an appropriate subtitle for PFO.
Except Kingmaker was the name of the final expansion pack for Never Winter Nights II.
Aside from the name already being taken and hence confusing, the NWN Kingmaker was a rather dodgy repackage of a fan created mini-campaign that added pretty much nothing over and above what you got with the free version.
Not an auspicious choice of names.
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Maybe it's just me, but Kingmaker has always seemed like an appropriate subtitle for PFO.Except Kingmaker was the name of the final expansion pack for Never Winter Nights II.
Aside from the name already being taken and hence confusing, the NWN Kingmaker was a rather dodgy repackage of a fan created mini-campaign that added pretty much nothing over and above what you got with the free version.
Not an auspicious choice of names.
If you aren't tabletop savvy, Kingmaker is also the name of the Pathfinder Adventure Path that takes place in the river kingdoms. If anyone hasn't played it but wants to play tabletop I highly recommend it. If for no other reason than to find out that centaurs are terrible abominations of man and horse and must be slaughtered for the atrocities they've committed to horse-kind.
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Maybe it's just me, but Kingmaker has always seemed like an appropriate subtitle for PFO.Except Kingmaker was the name of the final expansion pack for Never Winter Nights II.
Aside from the name already being taken and hence confusing, the NWN Kingmaker was a rather dodgy repackage of a fan created mini-campaign that added pretty much nothing over and above what you got with the free version.
Not an auspicious choice of names.
If you aren't tabletop savvy, Kingmaker is also the name of the Pathfinder Adventure Path that takes place in the river kingdoms. If anyone hasn't played it but wants to play tabletop I highly recommend it. If for no other reason than to find out that centaurs are terrible abominations of man and horse and must be slaughtered for the atrocities they've committed to horse-kind.
And because it's good to be the King. Or the Lord High Chancellor, or the High Priest, or the...
My group stalled out about halfway through the campaign (probably not unusual when the GM starts law school, in addition to his day job), but I enjoyed the parts we played very much. There's something about alternating between adventuring in the wilderness and running a kingdom back home that I found very appealing.
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Was thinking of the Kingmaker AP. Wasn't even aware that there was a NWN expansion with that name. The AP was clearly an inspiration for PFO in some sense.
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When EE starts where will our characters start out?
At one point, the idea was that new characters would start in NPC towns, and the only NPC town located on the EE map would be Thornkeep. Currently, it looks like the NPC towns on the Alpha map might persist into EE, and we might start there.
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At some point, it would be fun to either attack the NPC towns and reduce them to rubble, or just watch while they crumble and disappear. It seems more likely that they might just disappear during the downtime of The Cataclysm.
The small NPC towns might have to last for a while through EE, until it becomes clear that the EE population will build up and maintain their own settlements.
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Honestly though, after reading your above statements, I question your credentials as a programmer. You may know how to use spreadsheets, but I bet you have barely if ever programmed on a professional level. Slapping garbage together and throwing it out there for sale is not professional.@Xeen,
You have a communication style that is many times abrasive, insultive and dismissive in a way that is not healthy for a civil conversation.
You regularly bring up very good points, lots of creative ideas/suggestions, and thoughtful comments, but the way you expressive and communicate your ideas is counterproductive and shuts down debate and willingness for people to engage with your ideas.
I wonder if you are doing this deliberately, or are you unaware that you communication style is sabotaging your attempts to communicate your ideas to others?
I've been talking to Xeen in PMs about privilege, sexism, and politics for a week. Wouldn't you love to read THAT?
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I've been talking to Xeen in PMs about privilege, sexism, and politics for a week. Wouldn't you love to read THAT?Honestly though, after reading your above statements, I question your credentials as a programmer. You may know how to use spreadsheets, but I bet you have barely if ever programmed on a professional level. Slapping garbage together and throwing it out there for sale is not professional.@Xeen,
You have a communication style that is many times abrasive, insultive and dismissive in a way that is not healthy for a civil conversation.
You regularly bring up very good points, lots of creative ideas/suggestions, and thoughtful comments, but the way you expressive and communicate your ideas is counterproductive and shuts down debate and willingness for people to engage with your ideas.
I wonder if you are doing this deliberately, or are you unaware that you communication style is sabotaging your attempts to communicate your ideas to others?
Lol its been more than a week
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BTW, you are mistaken, they were originally going with Good and Cheap. Now it looks like Fast and Cheap.
Let me give some pointers:
Write stage one program, and test it, once good go to stage two
Write stage two program, and test it, if there are any errors correct them, then take a step back to stage one and make sure it is not affected, fix more errors if present, once good go to stage three
Write stage three program, and test it, if there are any errors correct them, then take a step back to stage one and two and make sure they are not affected, fix more errors if present, once good go to stage four
Continue with above till completeThat is how it is done in large scale projects.
First of all Better, Faster, Cheaper; pick one, hope for two. Getting two is not easy; it is a small compromise. All three is a big compromise that achieves none. Engineering is the art of making those compromises. Management is choosing which is most important.
This works with a single designer/developer/programmer/QA/tester. When the there are more involved with more limited scope, this does not apply. THe art team can not fix the database bugs. And the "real time" team can not fix the art.
Yes, regression testing is part of a proper development, and should be automated to allow testing of intermediates.
While it is nice to believe that the designers have thought of everything, the users are going to do things never thought of (e.g. the human towers).. There are thoughts on how players will play and what they do, but until they show they do something else, …
I suspect the "stress test" was running on at most 4 blades, not the full server. Each blade was expected to cover bigger areas and more users to cause failures. I like breaking new products! 8-) Good developer love me. Mediocre developers hate me.
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I don't understand the expectation that Early Enrollment should be as stable as a fully released, big-budget MMO with a large staff.
PFO is being built on a budget by a very small team. Early Enrollment is when they're going to be developing - and we're going to be testing - all the features they've been telling us about for the last three years.
I don't think it's a good idea to set the expectation that every new content release in Early Enrollment will be free of bugs.
We expect it because they promised an experience which while light in content had very few bugs compared to your average beta.
They sold us accounts getting us early access based on that promise.
Now they are just piling on crap nobody even requested and none of it functions.
That's borderline fraud IMO.
I don't expect them to deliver us a fully polished AAA title tomorrow I expect them to deliver a product similar in quality to Life is Feudal's early alpha before they start charging us 15$ a month.
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I don't understand the expectation that Early Enrollment should be as stable as a fully released, big-budget MMO with a large staff.
PFO is being built on a budget by a very small team. Early Enrollment is when they're going to be developing - and we're going to be testing - all the features they've been telling us about for the last three years.
I don't think it's a good idea to set the expectation that every new content release in Early Enrollment will be free of bugs.
We expect it because they promised an experience which while light in content had very few bugs compared to your average beta.
They sold us accounts getting us early access based on that promise.
Now they are just piling on crap nobody even requested and none of it functions.
That's borderline fraud IMO.
I don't expect them to deliver us a fully polished AAA title tomorrow I expect them to deliver a product similar in quality to Life is Feudal's early alpha before they start charging us 15$ a month.
@Andius,
To be fair, is this not the wrong thread to make this point of your's?
I fully agree that PFO is or certainly was not ready for EE launch, but this thread is putting that launch on hold. It is addressing your point, even if not specifically.
This discussion is now most appropriate to be had in the Build 11 Thread. There, I also intend to make a few suggestions as to what I believe is part of MVP for EE Day 1.
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I don't understand the expectation that Early Enrollment should be as stable as a fully released, big-budget MMO with a large staff.Normal people don't have expectations based on the budget of the seller, they have expectations based on the price they pay, compared to the quality of the product.
Yet we aren't in a strict consumer-provider relationship in this transaction. Well, maybe you have put yourself into that limited consumer role, but many of us have chosen differently from you and consider ourselves part of the creative process.
In consequence our perceptions are collaborative. Resist the urge to conflate price and value.