So how many Ioun stones are needed to grant cover?


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Or maybe concealment?

Not really serious, but how many Ioun stones would you need before you became difficult to see?

:)


They orbit above your head, not around your body.


Around your head, not above it. So they will conceal your head and upper torso if there are enough of them.

If they were above your head it wouldn't be an orbit unless they also went below your head (on some kind of angle I presume). Your head has to be in the middle for it to be an orbit.


Peet wrote:

Around your head, not above it. So they will conceal your head and upper torso if there are enough of them.

If they were above your head it wouldn't be an orbit unless they also went below your head (on some kind of angle I presume). Your head has to be in the middle for it to be an orbit.

My apologies, you're correct. I was under the impression that they orbited a point 1d3 feet above your head.


I remember there used to be a high level (epic?) bad guy back in old Faerun that had so many Ioun stones that you could only see his body from the waist down. And his eyes because they always moved out of his field of vision.

Can't remember what his name was though.

Lantern Lodge

Peet wrote:

Or maybe concealment?

Not really serious, but how many Ioun stones would you need before you became difficult to see?

:)

None.

Ioun stones always move "just enough" to ensure that they are out of your view and that they don't block the view of people looking at you.

Contrary to popular believe, the reason why Ioun stones only work for creatures of at least 3 int, is due to a need for self-preservation. Ioun stones uses the brains of those they orbit as a processor to detect and understand threats. This self-preservation system is builded into the hardware of each and every Ioun stone.

To put it simply, these floating, magic stones are NOT going to take a hit for YOU. They are too smart for that.


Honestly, if you're talking "realism" it wouldn't take many floating shiny things around your head before you started getting really distracted.

Secane wrote:
To put it simply, these floating, magic stones are NOT going to take a hit for YOU. They are too smart for that.

That makes them smarter than the front-line melee, then. :)

Sczarni

I don't know how many, but if you actually had that many, there'd be no way you'd see through them all. Or interact with other things in any way, since you've have a cloud of floating pebbles to reach through every time you wanted to pick something up or touch something.

Also, an ioun stone is about the size of a pebble. At the numbers we're talking about, the cost of that many magic items would be prohibitively expensive. You'd be better off just crafting yourself a custom magic item with a permanent Blur effect.


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If you had enough ioun stones to provide concealment, you'd be giving your opponents concealment as well, as you wouldn't be able to see them very well with all the stones zipping around your head.


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"Sir, the possibility of successfully attacking through that Ioun Stone field is approximately three thousand seven hundred and twenty to one!"

"Never tell me the odds!"


My arcane trickster has something like 30 Ioun stones, mostly the + skill ones. I don't think its enough for concealment yet.


5,457


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Liberty's Edge

PRD wrote:
These crystalline stones always float in the air and must be within 3 feet of their owner to be of any use. When a character first acquires a stone, she must hold it and then release it, whereupon it takes up a circling orbit 1d3 feet from her head.

It never say "around the owner head". If we go to the original literature from the Ioun stoens (The Dying Earth novels by Jack Vance) they circle a few feet behind the owner, not in his field of vision.

So the focus of the ioun stones orbit isn't the owner head, it is a point behind his head. It can even be a point over his head.


Diego Rossi wrote:
PRD wrote:
These crystalline stones always float in the air and must be within 3 feet of their owner to be of any use. When a character first acquires a stone, she must hold it and then release it, whereupon it takes up a circling orbit 1d3 feet from her head.

It never say "around the owner head". If we go to the original literature from the Ioun stoens (The Dying Earth novels by Jack Vance) they circle a few feet behind the owner, not in his field of vision.

So the focus of the ioun stones orbit isn't the owner head, it is a point behind his head. It can even be a point over his head.

So essentially if you have enough ioun stones you can't be sneak attacked from behind or flanked because they create a solid shield behind your back? (not serious)

Scarab Sages

If someone had that many ioun stones, would you want to try?


Turin the Mad wrote:
5,457

136,425 GP for slotless items that grant cover... seems legit...


Silent Saturn wrote:

. At the numbers we're talking about, the cost of that many magic items would be prohibitively expensive.

I'm envisioning a ten year old prince or princess with their friends trying to solve this question using their parents/kingdoms treasure room.


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Or they could just use Dull Gray Ioun Stones for 25 gp a pop

Grand Lodge

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Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:
My arcane trickster has something like 30 Ioun stones, mostly the + skill ones. I don't think its enough for concealment yet.

It's certainly enough to render any hope of moving about unnoticed impossible. And whatever you do, don't pass thorugh an Anti-Magic field!

"Look Daddy, that man has lost all his marbles!"

Liberty's Edge

Turin the Mad wrote:
5,457

plus:

LazarX wrote:
Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:
My arcane trickster has something like 30 Ioun stones, mostly the + skill ones. I don't think its enough for concealment yet.

It's certainly enough to render any hope of moving about unnoticed impossible. And whatever you do, don't pass thorugh an Anti-Magic field!

"Look Daddy, that man has lost all his marbles!"

5,457 rounds to recover them and put them again in the air. 90 hours.

That guy arms will be a bit tired at the end of that :-)


This is why I ban Ioun Torches. If you have a light whizzing around in front of your face, you are going to get seriously distracted. Just put the light on the top of your helmet like everyone else.

The +stat versions such as Pink Rhomboid have to be kept active all the time to get the full benefit, which means you have them on in bed, in the bath and so on. Might get kinda distracting there too.


buy loads of ioun torches. if you're not getting concealed by them, become hard to see from too MUCH light!

The Exchange

Adacanavar wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:
PRD wrote:
These crystalline stones always float in the air and must be within 3 feet of their owner to be of any use. When a character first acquires a stone, she must hold it and then release it, whereupon it takes up a circling orbit 1d3 feet from her head.

It never say "around the owner head". If we go to the original literature from the Ioun stoens (The Dying Earth novels by Jack Vance) they circle a few feet behind the owner, not in his field of vision.

So the focus of the ioun stones orbit isn't the owner head, it is a point behind his head. It can even be a point over his head.
So essentially if you have enough ioun stones you can't be sneak attacked from behind or flanked because they create a solid shield behind your back? (not serious)

Does that mean you can walk backwards through a dungeon and be some kind of walking tower shield?

Liberty's Edge

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Another important question is: where would you buy all those Ioun stones? Costco?


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lucky7 wrote:
Another important question is: where would you buy all those Ioun stones? Costco?

BUT I HAVE A COUPON!!

Liberty's Edge

By a curious coincidence, it is exactly the same as the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.


Mudfoot wrote:
The +stat versions such as Pink Rhomboid have to be kept active all the time to get the full benefit, which means you have them on in bed, in the bath and so on. Might get kinda distracting there too.

or you can stick them into a wayfinder for their normal effect AND a bonus one, all while safely keeping them in your pocket.

Scarab Sages

Implant them.

How many ioun stones do I have to implant before it counts as a natural armor bonus?

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