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Need help in building a PFS Skald. I have chosen the Fated Champion archetype because that seems like the obvious max but looking for the rest. Im even stuck on the attribute distribution. Dont need a full guide but would appreciate attribute pt distribution, race, feat and trait recommendations up to say level 8 or so.
Thanks.
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I've been wanting to to a Half-Orc Skald built around Amplified Rage and Skald's Vigor. You really need a Valet Familiar (or Ring of Tactical Precision, or regular Teamwork partner) to make it work, though.
I was going to go Totemic Skald instead of Fated Champion, although they're both fine. Some of the Animal Focus's can be quite strong when applied to the whole party (I was thinking Evasion.)
Something like:
Bloodrager (Aberrant) 1/Skald XStr 15
Dex 10
Con 15
Int 10
Wis 7
Cha 16+21. Tumor Familiar
3. Skald's Vigor
5. Amplified Rage
7. Ferocious Resolve
9. ??
11. Improved Skald's VigorPick up a Courageous Amulet of Mighty Fists when you get the chance. That will bump you to +9 Str/Con and Fast Healing 9 while raging.
I might like Tumor Familiars too much, though. :)
Haha teamwork raging and skald, that is awesome.
Oh Lordy, you are a PF genius...with 1 dip in Bloodrager+Aberrant+Tumor familiar, I am healing 5 dmg per round?!
You full on blew my mind with that build!
The Advice forum is really the appropriate place for build advice, and you'll get a lot more traffic there. Flagged for moving.
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:)
Not quite. The Tumor Familiar doesn't do much until you get Amplified Rage. And your fast healing is the amount of Str bonus you're getting, so you would need Skald's Vigor and the Courageous AoMF to get Fast Healing 5.Without doing anything tricky with the Tumor Familiar, you could go:
Skald 1/Bloodrager 1/Skald X
1. Skald's Vigor (Fast Healing 2 while you're Inspired Raging, up to 4 at 2nd level.)
3. Ferocious Resolve.That would be Fast Healing 4, +4 Str/Con, and Ferocity (act until you're dead) at level 3. Ferocity covers a lot of potential problems with Rage, and makes Fast Healing that much better.
Buy your Courageous Amulet of Mighty Fists at 4th, to bump to +5/5 (Fast Healing 5.)
Amplified Rage at 5 and a Ring of Tactical Precision (which you should be able to afford around then) will get you and an ally another +4/4 (Arguably, +5/+5, the wording on the Ring is a little unclear.)
At 7, you can pick up the Tumor Familiar, keep the ring, and bump you to +10/10 (Fast Healing 10.)
Ah the Skald Vigor is giving fast healing to me, the tumor familiar is doing what exactly then?
Im not following you.
Im seeing: Skald Vigor giving me Fast Healing = Srength Bonus from song
Rage +2, Amplified Rage (teamwork) +4, Courageous enhancement on any weapon Im carrying (AoM not necessary right?)another +1, Ring of TP another +1, Inspired Rage2 +1 and Inspired Rage3 (finally at 8th) +1 for a total of Fast Healing of 10 at level 8.
I guess Im confused what the tumor is bringing to the table.
Actually, Im confused in general what the Bloodrager dip is doing for you. Is that required for Amplified rage? Does the Skald not meet the requirement on its own?
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You need to be adjacent to a raging ally (with the feat) to activate Amplified Rage. The Tumor Familiar gets all of your Teamwork feats, and is always adjacent, and gets your Inspired Rage. So he's your adjacent, raging ally.
I'd initially been thinking of getting him Evolved Famliar for reach (or a Small familiar from a different class, since Tumor arguably can't be Small), since he's potentially a legitimate fighter with that much Str/Con bonus.
Gotcha. Okay I think Im following you:
1.) Amplified rage requires an adjacent ally with amplified rage to get +4
2.) Bloodrager gives you a tumor familiar who essentially is always adjacent
3.) Your amplified rage is somehow also picked by a familiar? This is where Im lost. How is the familiar also getting amplified rage?
thanks I really want to understand this.
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I don't believe fast healing from multiple sources stacks.
How is the familiar getting the teamwork feat?
Actually it's fast healing from exactly 1 source: Skald Vigor. What I think he is proposing is to buff the heck out of this source so that by level 8 you are sitting on a +10 Strength.
I think the Valet Archetype of the Tumor Familiar auto gives the teamwork feat to the lil tumory bundle flesh! I figured out!!
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I always wondered about them. I figured that since co-operative crafting was banned, you couldn't take it, but I guess all it does is give you valet familiar without that feat?
To be adjacent, so it detaches and moves to a square beside you?
I think adjacent can also be same square so no detachment needed. Amplified rage doesnt specify "adjacent square" only adjacent to...
But I will let the 'Good Will Hunting of Skald builds' comment.
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Markov,
One last thing, would you take an archetype on the dip of Bloodrager? Im not sure how steelbooded (heavy armor use) would conflict with Skald spell casting though.
Also, what traits and weapon would go for with a Fated Champion type build? The traditional +1 Keen Falchion? Beserker of Society? Finish the Fight?
thanks
Skald Padawan
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Steelblood only lets you cast Bloodrager spells in heavy armor, so it won't work for Skald spells. Straight Bloodrager is probably the best bet for a 1 level dip because its baseline abilities (Fast Movement, Bloodrage) are awesome.
As far as traits go, you could probably get by with pretty standard stuff. Reactionary is nice, you might want Magical Knack to make up for the Bloodrager dip, and there are probably other good ones.
For your weapon, a Falchion or Greatsword will probably be hard to beat (though I personally am gonna grab an Earthbreaker with my Skald because Earthbreakers are cool).
Looking at what I wrote, I would probably lower Cha and put the racial bump in Str. Maybe buy Int 3 for Evolved Familiar at some point.
I don't see any advantage of Ferocious Resolve over Diehard, so I'd probably:
Take Sacred Tattoo and Shaman's Apprentice. (Personally, I'd probably take City-Raised too, but that's just preference.)
Swap Diehard and Ferocious Resolve above.Fortune's Favored (another +1 to all saves) and Tusked for traits unless something else calls to me. With a Reach weapon, your Tusks threaten adjacent, and since it's your only primary natural attack, you still get 1-1/2 Str.
Furious weapon enchant (+1 Furious is a +3 Weapon while raging.)
I'd probably grab Blood Conduit for a cheap Improved Trip or one of the other Bonus feats. But I really like Reach and Trip.
Rage Powers, I like
Guarded Life (keep your allies alive, and lets you power out of Die Hard fast.)
Lesser Spirit Totem (one free d4+Ch damage attack per ally)
Lesser Celestial bloodline (good aligned and +1d6 vs outsiders in Year of the Demon is handy.) But I haven't looked them over too thoroughly.
I second Diehard for the following reason. Unless I read the feat wrong, I would head straight for Fast Healer which adds you CON bonus to healing. I bet you could pump your fast healing above 20 pretty quickly. Half-orcs can get Endurance (required for Fast Healer) via Shaman's Apprentice as a free feat.
I may be missing something on this build, but the ability bonus is the modifier: The modifier is the number you apply to the die roll when your character tries to do something related to that ability. You also use the modifier with some numbers that aren't die rolls. A positive modifier is called a bonus, and a negative modifier is called a penalty.
And Skalds Vigor says: While maintaining a raging song, you gain fast healing equal to the Strength bonus your song provides,
So +9 strength = Fast Healing 4 by my reading.
Also, Fast Healer is broken(ie. doesn't really work well) so expect a lot of table variation if you go that route. By my reading Fast Healer does not work with fast healing, and many others agree with me. Unless it got clarified its not very good.
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Consider taking the Celestial Totem line of rage powers. The first power will make it so that when healing in combat does come up(YMMV, but I see it at least once a session), you can help keep that as resource-friendly, and then the 2nd power will save spells. Or if you will be playing at levels 10+ a lot, go with Beast Totem for Pouncing with friends.
I may be missing something on this build, but the ability bonus is the modifier: The modifier is the number you apply to the die roll when your character tries to do something related to that ability. You also use the modifier with some numbers that aren't die rolls. A positive modifier is called a bonus, and a negative modifier is called a penalty.
And Skalds Vigor says: While maintaining a raging song, you gain fast healing equal to the Strength bonus your song provides,
So +9 strength = Fast Healing 4 by my reading.
Also, Fast Healer is broken(ie. doesn't really work well) so expect a lot of table variation if you go that route. By my reading Fast Healer does not work with fast healing, and many others agree with me. Unless it got clarified its not very good.
I would love to see a clarification on this. I thought it was fair game because Raging Song is the source and its a (Su).
I also want to point out theat Amplified Rage is a Teamwork feat. So everyone else who wants that benefit has to be a Half-orc with either Barbarian or Bloodrager levels. I had someone trying to sell it in my thread for making a Skald guide. It just won't work without that one little detail involved.
Steelblood only lets you cast Bloodrager spells in heavy armor, so it won't work for Skald spells. Straight Bloodrager is probably the best bet for a 1 level dip because its baseline abilities (Fast Movement, Bloodrage) are awesome.
You could go Steelblood for the free heavy armor proficiency, then use mithral heavy armors since they would technically count as medium for spellcasting. So the heavy armor isn't entirely wasted.