Thank you for the fast responses. I think an interesting niche use would be using Shield Block twice before needing to Sustain for those classes with access to Quick Shield Block or the like.
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Hi all! Does anyone have any thoughts on how the spell Bone Shield interacts with the Shield Salvation feat? Please note that this is for a PFS character, if relevant. For example, could Shield Salvation be used each time the Bone Shield is destroyed and recreated? Once per Bone Shield casting? Not at all? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
It is a squishy combination but it is possible to have full 10th level spell casting and a bonus to attack equal to a Fighter in the same character. A legendary proficiency full caster with the Alchemist Archetype, as first found by ScooterScoots (thank you again!) and discussed in this thread, can do this. The basics: > Fury Cocktail adds up to a +4 Item Bonus to melee attack rolls (legendary proficiency + Fury Cocktail item bonus + Heroism status bonus = the attack bonus of a Heroism buffed Fighter without help from another character).
In regards to the discussions in this thread about what is allowed and not allowed, as someone who plays exclusively in PFS, I find this part of the game to be frustrating. I love Pathfinder but I feel like I have to a be a contract lawyer to figure out what my characters can and can't do.
This is a great find, thank you, I plan on trying this when I get to play next.
No need to be sorry, I did a double take as well when I first checked the item! The Fury Cocktail grants an item bonus to melee attack rolls, which means it grants an item bonus to all melee attack rolls, whether they're weapon or spell attacks. As you might imagine, this is particularly juicy for spell attacks, which don't normally benefit from item bonuses. This is really cool, thank you Teridax (and LoreMonger13)!
I recently have yes, and I actually have ScooterScoots to thank for pointing me to a very fun interaction with the Fury Cocktail, which grants imaginary weapon an item bonus to its attack rolls. Sorry for the tangent question, does the item bonus to attack rolls from Fury Cocktail add to all 'Melee Spell Attack' rolls? Thank you in advance.
You are awesome, thank you (and for including the reference)!
Hi all, thank you for this discussion. In regards to the following, is this only for the Alchemist or does it apply to formulas in general? For example, does this also benefit a character with the Alchemist Archetype? I could only find this information in the Alchemist Class description.
"In Remaster, the Formulas now include all the higher Level versions of the item for free.
Thank you for the fast response. What made me ask this question appears earlier in the Mutagenist section under Field Vials. It is here that Combine Elixirs is mentioned in regards to a Mutagen.
You can drink the contents of one your versatile vials to suppress the drawback you take from one mutagen currently affecting you until the beginning of your next turn. A vial used this way loses the acid, bomb, and splash traits and gains the elixir trait. If you have more than one drawback due to Combine Elixirs or a similar ability, drinking the vial suppresses one drawback of your choice. Combine Elixirs doesn't say it overrides any Traits, but does a Combined Mutagen have the Mutagen (or Polymorph) Trait once or twice? If the Combine Elixirs information in the Field Vials section was only relevant when using the Greater Field Discovery, wouldn't it appear in the Greater Field Discovery section instead?
Hi all, I thought the following question has been asked and answered here but I was unable to find the thread. Please note this is for Society play so table variability is a concern. Thank you in advance for your help. Does Combine Elixirs allow for the combining of Mutagen Elixirs? I think another way of asking the question is, as Mutagens have the Polymorph Trait, is a Combined Elixir Mutagen one Polymorph effect or two?
I am a big fan of this idea, I also would love to see the addition Aether and Void elements.
My PF2e experiences with grappling seem to follow this formula. I am always disappointed when I plan a grappling character of my own but when I see someone else play a grappler, I am always surprised how brutal it is that Escape takes an Action and has the Attack Trait.
Thank you again.
No, weapon infusion gives weapon traits to the blasts, but they are still Blasts and not weapons. Thank you for your fast reply! For the sake of discussion, what is a weapon? I could not find a definition in the books for this and weapons do not have an identifying 'Weapon' Trait.Weapon Infusion gives a Blast the form, shape, and melee or ranged Traits, of a weapon. I find it strange that this could not be a weapon but a chair or a vase could be.
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Sorry I missed this post, I was away for a bit. 1) There is no reason now I think. An earlier version of the build used Ancestral Paragon to take Natural Ambition to take an additional Class Feat but as the build no longer has Natural Ambition, Orc works too.2) I have never used this rule (I have only played in PFS) so I am going to only partially answer so I don't make myself look silly. My first thought was Psychic or Familiar Master to make room for more Alchemist feats but I believe that in Remastered there will be no limit on the number of Focus Points you can have. If this is the case, any class that has a lot of "Increase the number of Focus Points in your focus pool by 1" feats may be a good choice (to fuel more Amped Shields).
This is an interesting point that I had not considered. In the ability text, it is the familiar that performs the reaction to aid an ally. Is the master not the familiar's ally? Lend a Hand: Source Book of the Dead pg. 40 The crawling hand assists an ally in the same space to attack a foe, crawling over the enemy and grabbing to distract them. Despite being a minion, it gains 1 reaction at the start of its turns, which it can use only to Aid an attack roll by an ally that shares the hand's space (it still has to prepare to help as normal for the Aid reaction). This attempt automatically succeeds. If the crawling hand has a similar ability, like partner in crime, it still gains only 1 reaction and can choose how to spend it.
I'm glad you liked it! I think the others have answered the question regarding 6 blocks better than I could have (thank you all!) and frankly I feel silly that I didn't realize there is a potential for 7 breaks in a combat (no reason to cancel early when on your last focus point). As this is already a familiar build, it may be worth looking into Familiar Focus for an extra focus point once per day. In regards to the familiar using Aid, I was thinking of using a Crawling Hand for this build which allows the familiar to Aid an attack roll.
I think this is a fun topic so I am going to attempt to keep it going. As discussed above, I understand that Tanking means more than just AC, but for purposes of theory crafting, I am going to propose what I think would be a very durable Tank. I currently play in games at a local gaming shop where the group composition is like a box of chocolates (you never know what you are going to get...) so this build will be self-sufficient without support from other characters. In addition to the above mentioned Tonics, TV added a few more items (namely the Collar of the Shifting Spider and Troll Hide) that support the idea of an Alchemical Tank well. Please find my build below and try to top this Tankiest Tank to ever Tank! Mutagenist Alchemist
Spoiler:
Ancestry: Human, Half-Orc Background: Field Medic Level 1 Ability Scores: STR 16, DEX 12, CON 14, INT 16, WIS 10, CHA 10 Level 20 Ability Scores: STR 22 (Apex Item), DEX 18, CON 20, INT 20, WIS 14, CHA 10 Ancestry Feats: Orc Weapon Familiarity, Orc Ferocity, Pervasive Superstition, Incredible Ferocity, Rampaging Ferocity Class Feats: Alchemical Familiar, Psychic Dedication (The Tangible Dream, Shield), Basic Psychic Spellcasting, Psi Development (Imaginary weapon), Familiar Master Dedication, Improved or Incredible Familiar, Expert Psychic Spellcasting, Extend Elixir, Persistent Mutagen, Master Psychic Spellcasting, Perfect Mutagen Skill Feats: Battle Medicine, Alchemical Crafting, Continual Recovery, Ward Medic, Assurance (Medicine), Advanced First Aid, Stitch Flesh, Risky Surgery, Forensic Acumen, Robust Recovery, Innoculation, Legendary Medic General Feats: Incredible Initiative, Ancestral Paragon (Orc Superstition), Toughness, Fleet, Canny Acumen (Will) Equipment: Greataxe, Collar of the Shifting Spider, Cassisian Helmet, Troll Hide, Apex STR Item, Weapon and Armor Runes Build Progression Notes:
Level 1 - Mutagenic Flashback as a Free Action to activate a Mutagen once per day
Level 20 Damage Mitigation Summary:
As mentioned in other threads, TV has added a Common option to get a persistent Status bonus to AC (unlike the Protection spells which are Uncommon). The Cassisian Helmet grants a +1 status bonus to AC and saves against evil creatures and effects. A 54 AC is awesome but, to expand on Red Griffyn's post, I have found in play that a character can also be made durable by stacking different types of damage mitigation; such as Resistances, Temporary Hit Points, and Fast Healing, in addition to AC and Saves. TV adds a few new options in this regard. For example, the Numbing Tonic and Soothing Tonic provide Temporary Hit Points and Fast Healing, respectively. As these are Elixirs but not Mutagens, they can be combined with a Mutagen; such as a Fury Cocktail, an Energy Mutagen, or a Stonebody Mutagen. A single Alchemist, Multiclass Alchemist, or Alchemical Sciences Investigator could stack various Resistances, Temporary HPs, and Fast Healing, without needing to Sustain multiple spells like a Bard or Witch. If your 'brewmaster' administers these options to your 54 AC Champion or Mountain Stance Monk before beginning a 'boss fight', you are going to have a happy tank I think.
I am liking the Psi Cantrip as part of the Psychic Dedication feat also. Some of the AMPs are pretty good for other classes. Using your example of the stacking Shield spell, a Fighter with Tangible Dream Psychic Dedication can cast an Amped Shield spell and Shield Block (and shield break) multiple times in a fight. This is pretty good with feats that don't have "Requirements You are wielding a shield.", such as Aggressive Block. At later levels. when you have more focus points, it *appears* you may be able to cast the Amped Shield multiple times in the same fight by ceasing to Sustain it before the 3rd shield break ("You can keep using the spell until the final layer breaks; once it does, the spell ends and you can’t cast shield or amped shield again for 10 minutes."). If this works, you could use 7 Shield Blocks (or more if a block doesn't break a layer) in single fight and be ready to do again by the next fight.
RAW you can't do Adopted Ancestry: Kobold. It's an uncommon ancestry, and Adopted Ancestry specifically says to choose a common ancestry. Thanks! I missed that.
Hi all, thank you in advance for your thoughts. NOTE: This question is for PFS Organized Play so I am hoping for replies to mostly be a consensus as opposed to the answer being mostly subject to table variance. QUESTION: Could a Dragon Instinct Barbarian Dragon Disciple with Adopted Ancestry Kobold take the Kobold Breath and Dragon's Breath feats? DISCUSSION:
Dragon Instinct grants access to the Dragon's Rage Breath Feat and the Dragon Disciple Archetype grants access to the Breath of the Dragon Feat. Is a character with access to the Dragon's Rage Breath and Breath of the Dragon Feats not lacking the required physiological feature for the Kobold feats? Please note that the Kobold Breath and Dragon's Breath Feats do not require a specific Kobold Heritage.
The Shadowcaster archetype has the Prerequisite "ability to cast spells".
This is for PFS so I want to be sure before I spend the Achievement Points on the required Boons to create the character. Thank you in advance for your help.
Thank you all for your thoughts. I would not have thought to equate the rules for riding an Eidolon to carrying one but it's something to think about.
My son started a Dragon Summoner during GenCon. He just informed me that he can't wait to get the level 8 Miniaturize feat so he can "carry his tiny dragon around and use it like a gun". When I asked him what he meant, he replied that his character will hold his dragon and alternate using the Eidolon's Breath Weapon and the Ranged Combatant feat. Are there any rules (or penalties) for being carried while attacking? For example, could he Act Together to move his character while his Eidolon uses it's Breath Weapon and ranged attacks? If not, I can think of a few other potential builds such as holding a Tiny Plant Eidolon while it uses its Tendril Strike attack. Thanks in advance for any rules references or other comments.
How do Rage and Weapon Specialization interact with battle forms?
This is an interesting point. As there are no Untyped Bonuses (CRB, pgs. 344-345), then what are Rage and Weapon Specialization? They both use the phrase "you deal additional damage". How does "additional damage" interact with battle forms?
Thank you for your help.
Thank you both for your replies. The last syngery in the build I will point out is: Greater Weapon Specialization and Wild Morph - So the build will not be totally dependent on Animal Forms that may not fit into tight spaces, I will take Order Spell [Wild Morph] as early as I can. With Greater Weapon Specialization and Handwraps of Mighty Blows, this combination will eventually provide reasonable damage when not using Wild Shape. Later in the build, Wild Morph could also provide additional advantages (such as Reach and Fly Speed), based on what other Wild Shape feats I take.
Does Weapon Specialization add damage to the Unarmed Attacks gained from Battle Forms when using Wild Shape? Thank you in advance for replies. Weapon Specialization (CRB, Druid, pg. 133), "You’ve learned how to inflict greater injuries with the weapons you know best. You deal 2 additional damage with weapons and unarmed attacks in which you are an expert. This damage increases to 3 if you’re a master, and to 4 if you’re legendary." Polymorph (CRB, Other Spell Traits, pg. 301), "If you take on a battle form with a polymorph spell, the special statistics can be adjusted only by circumstance bonuses, status bonuses, and penalties." Increasing Damage (CRB, Damage, pg. 451), "In some cases, you increase the number of dice you roll when making weapon damage rolls. Magic weapons etched with the striking rune can add one or more weapon damage dice to your damage roll. These extra dice are the same die size as the weapon’s damage die. At certain levels, most characters gain the ability to deal extra damage from the weapon specialization class feature."
I just realized that Druids also get Weapon Specialization for Unarmed Attacks, so the same question can be applied to their own class ability.
I am planning on playing a Shifter-like Fighter Druid for my first character. I think I understand how Wild Shape works but I have a question about part of my build (please see below). I am looking for your thoughts on whether this will be a good combination and what other synergies between the Fighter Class and Wild Shape there may be. Thank you in advance for your help. Basic Build: Fighter with Druid Dedication at level 2 and Basic Wilding [Wild Shape] at level 4 Synergies: Legendary +2 Attack Bonus - Fighters can have up to Legendary Proficiency in Unarmed Attacks and when a character uses there own Attack Bonus in Wild Shape they get a +2 Status bonus on Attack Rolls (Wild Shape, CRB pg. 401). Reach and Attacks of Opportunity - Wild Shape includes Animal Forms at level 2, Large Animal Forms (10-foot Reach) at level 4, and Huge Animal Forms (15-foot Reach) at level 5. I Plan on taking Combat Reflexes and Distracting Stance at later levels to expand AoO opportunities (pun intended). For late game action, at level 16 I plan to take Advanced Wilding [Ferocious Shape] to gain access to Gargantuan (20-foot Reach) Dinosaur Forms. Multiple Attacks - My experience in PF1 is that Reach and good battlefield position can often equate to more rounds using the Full Attack Action. In PF2, I am hoping this means I won't be spending as many rounds using the Move action. Some of the Animal Form attacks include the Agile trait. To minimize the Multiple Attack Penalty, I plan on taking the Exacting Strike and Agile Grace feats when they can be fit into the build. Question: Weapon Specialization and Wild Shape - When in a battle form, the special statistics can be adjusted only by circumstance bonuses, status bonuses, and penalties (Polymorph, CRB, pg. 301). Does this mean that Wild Shape forms cannot benefit from the (Untyped?) damage bonus provided by Weapon Specialization?
It's a late game ability but Wildshaping into an Ooze has been around for awhile, and some of the form are tons of fun (like a Tyrant Jelly with the Rapid Grappler feat). Spoiler:
Wild Shape (Su): A cave druid gains this ability at 6th level, except that her effective druid level for this ability is equal to her druid level – 2. She cannot use wild shape to adopt a plant form. At 10th level, the cave druid can assume the form of a Small or Medium ooze as if using beast shape III, and at 12th level that of a Tiny or Large ooze as if using beast shape IV (treating the ooze as if it were a magical beast without a natural armor bonus). When in ooze form, the cave druid has no discernible anatomy and is immune to poison, sneak attacks, and critical hits. Link
The stacking language is in the Exemplar description.
Exemplar Brawler + Cavalier + Battle Herald = full BAB
If it takes more than ten minutes to explain/understand, don't use it in PFS. Everyone will be happier for it :) Sage words! There are some great suggestions here. Thank you all again for your replies.
Thank you all for your replies. To be honest I even confused myself when I was trying to formulate a way to ask how the Martial Artist archetype might interact with these two feats. If you think of a PFS legal way to do this, aside from a 4 level dip into Fighter, I would be grateful.
Martial Arts Master (Ex): At 4th level, a martial artist may use his monk level to qualify for feats with a fighter level prerequisite when those feats are applied to unarmed strikes or weapons with the monk special quality. This ability replaces slow fall.
Does "Feral Combat Training allows you to use the selected natural attack as if it were a monk weapon—you can use it as one of your flurry of blows attacks, use it to deploy special attacks that require you to use a monk weapon, apply the effects of the natural weapon (such as a poisonous bite) for each flurry of blows attack, and so on." mean that the a natural weapon selected with Feral Combat Training counts as a monk weapon for purposes of "a martial artist may use his monk level to qualify for feats with a fighter level prerequisite when those feats are applied to unarmed strikes or weapons with the monk special quality"? The character in question is planned to be a multiclass Druid/ Monk with early access to a natural weapon. Please note that this is for Pathfinder Society play. Thank you in advance for replies. P.S. If the answer is no, is it safe to assume Feral Combat Training can be applied to unarmed strike? Thank you again.
A monk's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons.
Ultimate Magic says "druids with [a specific list of domains] now add [some more stuff] to that list".
Thank you both for your replies. You have given me more to consider.
I see your point and, without an official ruling, am forced to agree. Thank you.
Thank you for your reply. I am not committed to the idea as I have not yet played the character but I would like to challenge your conclusion for the sake of discussion. Wouldn't the Ultimate Magic rule be the more specific rule (not to mention being the most chronologically recent) as it dives deeper than the general character class and refers to the more specific Nature Bond class ability? The Wolf domain is not on the Wolf Shaman domain list, but it is also not on the Druid domain list. Ultimate Magic expands the Nature Bond class ability, which the Druid core class and Wolf Shaman Druid archetype share, to include animal and terrain domains. When Ultimate Magic rules that "A druid with the nature's bond ability can choose an animal domain or terrain domain", are the Shaman archetypes not Druid's that possess the Nature Bond class ability? Because this is for PFS, I am more concerned with RAW over RAI, but if one were to insert RAI into the discussion, it does not seem sensible that "Other nature-themed classes with access to domains may select an animal or terrain domain in place of a regular domain" while Druids with access to the Animal domain cannot. Does anyone know of an official ruling?
Nature Bond (Ex): At 1st level, a druid forms a bond with nature. This bond can take one of two forms. The first is a close tie to the natural world, granting the druid one of the following cleric domains: Air, Animal, Earth, Fire, Plant, Water, or Weather. Nature Bond: A wolf shaman who chooses an animal companion must select a wolf. If choosing a domain, the wolf shaman must choose from the Animal, Community, Liberation, and Travel domains. Presented in the section below are new rules for animal and terrain domains—domains for druids whose focus is more specific than the Animal, Plant, Weather, or elemental domains. A druid with the nature's bond ability can choose an animal domain or terrain domain. Which rule carries weight,"the wolf shaman must choose from the Animal, Community, Liberation, and Travel domains." or "A druid with the nature's bond ability can choose an animal domain or terrain domain."? This is for a PFS character. Please include citations if you have them. Thanks in advance for your help!
How about the Medium (from Occult Adventures)? Be a different class each day.
Legendary Influence:
Each legend grants you more of its power in return for greater influence. Prerequisite(s): Lesser spirit power class feature. Benefit(s): Immediately select one feat (other than an item creation feat) for each spirit you can channel. Whenever you perform a seance to channel a spirit, you can allow the spirit to gain 1 point of influence over you to gain access to that spirit's Legendary Influence feat for as long as you channel that spirit. You can use this bonus feat as a prerequisite for any feats granted by a spirit power (such as the champion's legendary champion ability), but not for any other feats. Improved Legendary Influence:
Each legend grants you more of its power in return for greater influence. Prerequisite(s): Legendary Influence, lesser spirit power and propitiation class features. Benefit(s): For each spirit you can channel, choose a second feat other than an item creation feat. Whenever you allow a spirit to gain 1 point of influence over you to gain that spirit's associated feat via Legendary Influence, you can allow that spirit to gain 1 additional point of influence over you to gain the second feat. Can the feat from Legendary Influence be used to meet a prerequisite for the feat granted by Improved Legendary Influence? By RAW I think it is clear the answer is no but I can't help but feel it would make more sense if Legendary Influence read as follows, "You can use this bonus feat as a prerequisite for any feats granted by a spirit Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
What feat is this that give 1 feat for a 1 influence point? Legendary Influence and Improved Legendary Influence from Ultimate Intrigue (for a total of 2 feats for 2 influence).
What are some good rogue options for making someone flat-footed? I'm looking to take advantage of Sap Master. The Enforcer and Shatter Defenses feats are what you are looking for. The Bludgeoner feat will allow you more weapon choices.
Hi all,
Even though it has been around for awhile, my group recently got around to reading Ultimate Intrigue and the Vigilante. It resulted in a discussion on ways to get full Base Attack Bonus (Base Attack Bonus = Character Level) on characters with classes that do not naturally have this, such as the Fighter. The list is for actual Attack Bonus, not just Attack Bonus for specific uses such as calculating CMB or meeting feat requirements. Here is what I have so far: Kineticist (class) > Elemental Annihilator (archetype)
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Is there any way I can post or send pics? Thank you!
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