So, I know it is debated as to whether or not you can use Pummeling Style with Weapons, but for the sake of arguement lets say you can...
This creates an interesting situation for the Zen Archer. Would it benefit him more to take clustered shot or pummeling style...
The real question.... Firearms? : D
As a GM, I'd never allow it. As a player, I'd never be audacious enough to try to trick my GM into allowing it.
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Hey! Technically it says you can use it with a Flurry of Blows and a Zen Archer can Flurry with his arrows xD, so TECHNICALLY....
If nothing else this will seal the deal to make Zen Archers the best Archers :P (this combined with the "stunning fist-esque" feats would be funny )
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"Technically," does not mean "Any GM with a shred of sense will allow this."
But AM GUNSLINGER PUMMEL WITH BULLETS
Hey I never said I was going to do it lol. It was simply an observation I made after looking at both the Clustered Shot being op thread and the Pummeling Style being OP thread xD
But AM GUNSLINGER PUMMEL WITH BULLETS
Clustered Shots already works with firearms. It works with any ranged weapon.
But AM GUNSLINGER PUMMEL WITH BULLETSClustered Shots already works with firearms. It works with any ranged weapon.
Pummeling Style is way better for crit-fishing.
Pummeling style will probably be FAQ'd in the near future to do exactly what we all actually know it already does. Unarmed strikes, and (maybe) brawler close weapons.
Trying to use it for a Zen Archer is ridiculous.
Brings gun to fist fight.
Pummels other guy to death with gun!
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Why is it ridiculous to think that a style ability built on flurry would be usable with monk weapons like every other style feat? There is a one word fix that adjusts Pummeling Style: change normal damage to weapon damage, and bam, feat is good for monks and brawlers and no longer a must have for every non-barbarian/primalist bloodrager.Pummeling style will probably be FAQ'd in the near future to do exactly what we all actually know it already does. Unarmed strikes, and (maybe) brawler close weapons.
Trying to use it for a Zen Archer is ridiculous.
Except it says:
You collect all your power into a single vicious and debilitating punch.
Prerequisite(s): Improved Unarmed Strike; base attack bonus +6, brawler's flurry class feature, or flurry of blows class feature.
Benefit: As a full-round action, you can pool all your attack potential in one devastating punch. Make a number of rolls equal to the number of attacks you can make with a full attack or a flurry of blows (your choice) with the normal attack bonus for each attack. For each roll that is a hit, you deal the normal amount of damage, adding it to any damage the attack has already dealt from previous rolls (if any). If any of the attack rolls are critical threats, make one confirmation roll for the entire attack at your highest base attack bonus. If it succeeds, the entire attack is a confirmed critical hit.
You have to ignore the word punch, given in both the description and the rules explanation. Merriam-Webster defines punch as "to hit (someone or something) hard with your fist."
Not to mention (as has come up many times before) if you take punch as a strict requirement, it raises plenty of question like whether Pummeling Style can be used with punching daggers, gauntlets, and cesti, and if you're not allowed to used unarmed strikes other than punches, like kicks or headbutts. In short, if it meant unarmed strike, they should've said unarmed strike.
As for improved unarmed strike being a pre-req, that changes nothing. There are plenty of other feats that use it as a pre-req, but can be used just fine with weapons. Heck, some feats like Perfect Strike have improved unarmed strike as a requirement despite not being usable at all with unarmed attacks.
The short description says "Pool all unarmed strikes into a single powerful blow". The long description is just poorly worded.
The problem is that the short description means nothing. Heck, a lot of times the short description isn't even accurate (as the case is for feats like Wind/Lightning Stance where the short description makes it out that you have full on concealment, where if you read the long one, you only gain concealment FROM RANGED ATTACKS
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I like the style, feel like a sniper, hell yeah.
Altought probably is not the intent of the feat one has to admit is really cool. Also can you guys chill? this is just an example of "if this Works like this then..." is not a faq request.
And to the op yes, this is much better tan clustered shots because of the posibility to get a crit and blow a critter on one hit to pieces with 4 hits that do x3 critical
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The most annoying thing about these threads is that I wanted to make a guy who uses pummeling style to round house kick people, unfortunately people think it's punch only. This makes me sad.
It's unarmed strike only. You can use pummeling style with punches, elbows, kicks, head butts, knees, shoulder checks, or pelvic thrusts.
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... or pelvic thrusts.
This deserves its own character concept.
The most annoying thing about these threads is that I wanted to make a guy who uses pummeling style to round house kick people, unfortunately people think it's punch only. This makes me sad.It's unarmed strike only. You can use pummeling style with punches, elbows, kicks, head butts, knees, shoulder checks, or pelvic thrusts.
I think the joke was that people are getting fixated on the word PUNCH, which would then invalidate any other form of unarmed striking... like Pelvic Thrusts xD
Yes it obvioous that it should apply only to unarmed strike (and maybe some other stuff), but the OP already clarified that.
So to answer the OP:
Yes if Zen archer could take pummeling strike it would be better than clustered shots.
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At level 11 a hasted Zen Archer pretty much puts down anything it hits utilizing this feat in one round including the BBEG.
I have GM'd one in back-to-back scenarios and he could probably one shot both games. High AC, high saves, and now one crit on 7 x (hasted) attacks x3 damage each = over powered.
Just thought I'd share that.
Well if you cant do it weapons you cant do it with your hands full either.
Also a pickax works as a punch as well. The war pickax is used to punch thru armor.