Outrageous about Velociraptor and Deinonychus


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Greetings

I come here from a far, far away time and a far, far away land to say you... THAT I HATE YOU!!!

It's about Velociraptors and Deinonychus: We are at XXI Century, and Everybody knows that Raptors and Deinyes had feathers, wings AND THEY WERE FLIGHT CAPABLE.

I demand that the members of the staff, personally, recover every copy of the bestiary, apologize, and deliver every subscriber a new one with this errata corrected, showing that Raptors has a flight speed. It would be nice if they also add to the package a sweet picture of a Velociraptor and a Deinonychus in a playground, using their videoconsoles (In XXII Century, everybody knows that young velociraptors had nintendos back in the early cretaceous)


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....um, no?

Ignoring the fact that this is meant to be a joke, the fact of the matter is that current theory thinks of them more along the lines of turkeys and Ostriches- they had feathers, and their ancestors could fly, but they themselves were fairly land locked due to the relative size versus how long their forelimbs were.

Scarab Sages

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Souhiro wrote:
I demand that the members of the staff, personally, recover every copy of the bestiary, apologize, and deliver every subscriber a new one with this errata corrected, showing that Raptors has a flight speed. It would be nice if they also add to the package a sweet picture of a Velociraptor and a Deinonychus in a playground, using their videoconsoles (In XXII Century, everybody knows that young velociraptors had nintendos back in the early cretaceous)

{finishes tapping on keyboard} I've scheduled a rush delivery that should arrive for you this afternoon. We apologize for not having access to time-traveling technology in order to foresee such discoveries in real world palaeontology. Thank you for your patience, and please wait where you are, as our Director—Mr. Treerazer himself—will be personally stopping by to take you to lunch.

Silver Crusade

I'd give you gliding if a velociraptor got a running start and ran off a cliff or something. But flying? No, most certainly not.

Grand Lodge

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Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

These are Golarion versions.

Different world.

Different universe.


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You know, some people hate dinosaurs in Pathfinder. Dinosaurs are sciencey things that can seem out of place in Middle-Earth-esque fantasy realms.

If Pathfinder dinosaurs are made up monsters that do not resemble creatures that ever really existed, maybe that fixes the problem?

Silver Crusade

Matthew Downie wrote:

You know, some people hate dinosaurs in Pathfinder. Dinosaurs are sciencey things that can seem out of place in Middle-Earth-esque fantasy realms.

If Pathfinder dinosaurs are made up monsters that do not resemble creatures that ever really existed, maybe that fixes the problem?

Thank you for using 45 words to say the exact same thing BBT said in 8 words in the post immediately preceding yours. :p


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Souhiro wrote:

Greetings

I come here from a far, far away time and a far, far away land to say you... THAT I HATE YOU!!!

It's about Velociraptors and Deinonychus: We are at XXI Century, and Everybody knows that Raptors and Deinyes had feathers, wings AND THEY WERE FLIGHT CAPABLE.

I demand that the members of the staff, personally, recover every copy of the bestiary, apologize, and deliver every subscriber a new one with this errata corrected, showing that Raptors has a flight speed. It would be nice if they also add to the package a sweet picture of a Velociraptor and a Deinonychus in a playground, using their videoconsoles (In XXII Century, everybody knows that young velociraptors had nintendos back in the early cretaceous)

huh? Velociraptor and Deinonychus have feathers in the bestiaries. Granted Deinonychus looks ridiculous and resembles a Jim Henson character, but Velociraptor actually was pretty well done.

Which makes me sad that Pathfinder has more realistic Velociraptors than Jurassic Park 4 :(

Speaking as a professional paleontologist:

Neither genus could fly or glide, nor have I ever heard arguments that they could. They MAY have evolved from flighted ancestors, but that is controversial. Microraptor and such may have had some sort of gliding ability however.

PS...if Pathfinder ever needs a paleo consultant for a Dinosaurs revisited, let me know.

Sovereign Court

Matthew Downie wrote:

You know, some people hate dinosaurs in Pathfinder. Dinosaurs are sciencey things that can seem out of place in Middle-Earth-esque fantasy realms.

If Pathfinder dinosaurs are made up monsters that do not resemble creatures that ever really existed, maybe that fixes the problem?

Besides, until we get an actual movie adaptation with scary feathered velociraptors, I still prefer to throw these at the PCs.


Matthew Downie wrote:

You know, some people hate dinosaurs in Pathfinder. Dinosaurs are sciencey things that can seem out of place in Middle-Earth-esque fantasy realms.

If Pathfinder dinosaurs are made up monsters that do not resemble creatures that ever really existed, maybe that fixes the problem?

I love dinosaurs. I don't use them in my games, however, because I personally think they're overused. There are tons more prehistoric creatures to choose from; in fact, in my homebrew, many of the mammal species are extinct relatives of Earth's large mammals. Instead of African or Indian elephants I use mastodons, dwarf mammoths, dinotheres and my favorite, the Stegotetrabelodon (a four tusked species).


MMCJawa wrote:


Which makes me sad that Pathfinder has more realistic Velociraptors than Jurassic Park 4 :(

Everything -about- Pathfinder is more realistic than Jurassic Park. But then, it's a pretty low bar.


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daimaru wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


Which makes me sad that Pathfinder has more realistic Velociraptors than Jurassic Park 4 :(
Everything -about- Pathfinder is more realistic than Jurassic Park. But then, it's a pretty low bar.

Well, it at least had the advantage of saying that most of the problems stemmed more from misplaced optimism without enough good sense rather than the evil mastermind that you find in most campaigns. IE- no redundancy systems in place, poor safety regulations, and the decision to make flesh eating predators that are larger than a bread box.

Seriously- I think people would be wowed by triceratops and Brachiosaurus. No need to make highly intelligent predators like raptors or 'well, what could we possibly do?'-sized predators like T-rexes.

Sure, one greedy guy screwed it all up....but it only took one greedy idiot to screw it all up.


lemeres wrote:
daimaru wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:


Which makes me sad that Pathfinder has more realistic Velociraptors than Jurassic Park 4 :(
Everything -about- Pathfinder is more realistic than Jurassic Park. But then, it's a pretty low bar.

Well, it at least had the advantage of saying that most of the problems stemmed more from misplaced optimism without enough good sense rather than the evil mastermind that you find in most campaigns. IE- no redundancy systems in place, poor safety regulations, and the decision to make flesh eating predators that are larger than a bread box.

Seriously- I think people would be wowed by triceratops and Brachiosaurus. No need to make highly intelligent predators like raptors or 'well, what could we possibly do?'-sized predators like T-rexes.

Sure, one greedy guy screwed it all up....but it only took one greedy idiot to screw it all up.

No, it took a park -designed- so one greedy idiot could screw it up. I'm sure you've seen zoos before. Dangerous animals are behind -moats- which not only can't fail, but are -cheap-. They don't use electric fences, and they don't tie them into computer systems either. It didn't take the idiot, all it needed was an herd of panicked herbivores being chased into the fence by something toothy. But then, Crichton hates science and -likes- to write about how it fails.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

These are Golarion versions.

Different world.

Different universe.

Different world, same universe. Raptors DO have the highest base Charisma of any animal in game, though: a whopping 14! Because giant flesh-eating proto-birds need to be extra persuasive and intimidating before they kill you, I guess.

daimaru wrote:
No, it took a park -designed- so one greedy idiot could screw it up. I'm sure you've seen zoos before. Dangerous animals are behind -moats- which not only can't fail, but are -cheap-. They don't use electric fences, and they don't tie them into computer systems either. It didn't take the idiot, all it needed was an herd of panicked herbivores being chased into the fence by something toothy. But then, Crichton hates science and -likes- to write about how it fails.

Which is doubly odd since he was also a professionally trained man of medical science, too.

Scarab Sages

Cerberus Seven wrote:
[ Because giant flesh-eating proto-birds need to be extra persuasive and intimidating before they kill you, I guess.

Clever girl does.


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Imbicatus wrote:
Cerberus Seven wrote:
[ Because giant flesh-eating proto-birds need to be extra persuasive and intimidating before they kill you, I guess.
Clever girl does.

Dapper raptors, son.

I imagine at least one druid has awakened a raptor animal companion to be his wingman or representative. Just think, a guy gets into town and is stone face silent, while his raptor does all the talking for him.

Liberty's Edge

Wake me when there's a Warforged Druid who turns into a raptor and saves the ancestors of humanity :P

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