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If you really want to upset your Wizard friend, show him this somewhat optimized build.
Actually it might be better to show him a proper blaster caster build.
Show that any class can be build and played well.Let him realize that its not that your barb (which seems to be a perfectly normal barb.) that its OP, but that his wizard needs to step up his game.
Life Lessons:
1: You can't please everyone in life and there are some who aren't worth the effort.
2: Don't lower your own standards so someone ELSE can feel better about themselves. You simply weren't put on this earth to please other people.
3: Have fun the way you want to.
Has he tried NOT being a stormwind fallacy?
Or, you know, instead of being defensive about the guy's accusations, the OP could help this guy with the rules and how to build and play his wizard much more effectively. As has been mentioned many times in this thread already.
Why do people automatically want to laugh at the poor guy who obviously doesn't understand the rules quite as well as the OP? Aren't we here to help our fellow players? Or is it wishful thinking?
The target of the rant admitted he wasn't familiar with the options available in 3.Paizo, and was more used to how a Magic-User worked in 1st edition AD&D. Seems to me the best thing to do would be to point out what he's doing wrong, and what he could be doing right. Pointing him to the various class guides might be a step in the right direction.
What is it with you people what when you see someone who's struggling with the game, you jump on the bandwagon to all laugh at the guy instead of helping him become as good as you so obviously think you are? After all, if you improve his character and his gameplay, it helps you out too, by making him much more effective.
The initial post gave the impression that the player in question was beyond reason. Thomas's next conversation with the guy showed that that impression was flawed, which is great! I dunno why others are still harping on him, though.
Magic Missile is OK, but "the best spell ever" is clearly Fireball.
I'm glad to hear that the PFS disagreement was settled. The damage Barbarians inflict at low levels can be pretty shocking to some players, but they're a pretty cool class actually.
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The initial post gave the impression that the player in question was beyond reason. Thomas's next conversation with the guy showed that that impression was flawed, which is great! I dunno why others are still harping on him, though.
Probably because not everyone caught the followup post/bothered to read beyond the OP before responding.
That said, I'd imagine part of the reason for the strong negative reaction is that we've all had to deal with That Guy at some point, and it's always an incredibly frustrating experience. Thankfully, Thomas' issue wasn't that bad.
Are some people really at the stage where being able to squeeze the pips out of a game rulebook is something to publicly boast about? Damn! I guess playing games for fun means something different to different people.
In any case, I'm very glad that the OP and his erstwhile nemesis managed to sort things out amicably. Moving from ruleset to ruleset (or edition to edition) often takes some settling-in time to get a feel for the different options available. I usually take a couple of characters before I start spotting the combinations that work for me. Having played plenty of dedicated healers in the past, for example, it took a while to learn that Pathfinder doesn't really need them as much as others game systems, and that a combination of buffing and healing is far better.
It can be disheartening to build a character to fill a given niche, be it damage-dealer, tank or whatever, and then find that someone else is outclassing you in that role. It isn't about being 'better' than them, it is about wanting your character to fill a vital role for the party.
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Haste is definitely nice, but people can get that effect from an affordable pair of magic boots. A familiar with a wand of Haste is nice though I’d buy a wand of Good Hope first. Fireball is one of the classic spells of D&D though. D&D wouldn’t be D&D without Fireball. Of course Pathfinder technically isn’t D&D, but Fireball is still a big spell low level mages have aspired to for 40 years now. Also, while what’s “best” might seem subjective to some the Fireball spell offers a nice mix of long range, low enough level to be used with metamagic, and a decent dice cap.
Dazing Spell seems a little nuts, especially as a metamagic rod. I used Dazing Spell a few times with one PC in a previous campaign. Folks found it pretty excessive though, so it has been house ruled to allow a new saving throw each round.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional power gamer. The viewpoints expressed here might result in suboptimal power levels, PC death, or even having fun.
I am really just going to give this very solid piece of advice:
Passive Aggressive measures never accomplish a damn thing.
Face it head on, forget it, or walk away.
just kidding... sort of...
I am really just going to give this very solid piece of advice:
Passive Aggressive measures never accomplish a damn thing.
Face it head on, forget it, or walk away.
just kidding... sort of...
...but what is I can only do passive passive?
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...but what is I can only do passive passive?I am really just going to give this very solid piece of advice:
Passive Aggressive measures never accomplish a damn thing.
Face it head on, forget it, or walk away.
just kidding... sort of...
Then you deserve whatever comes your way!