There's an active 200 post thread arguing about the Sleeves turning into the swarm suit. It might be best to argue about it there, rather than derail this thread with another argument about it.Per RAW the Sleeves literally transform their clothes into the desired clothing.While the description certainly states that your clothes "transform" into the other outfit (the language clearly indicates that the clothes actually change form), it's at odds not only with the way the prerequisite spell works, but also with the illusion aura the item has.
I strongly second this. Please please please don't derail this this thread talking about the swarm suit/ SOMG connection. It's played out.
|
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
There are some fantastic spells in Dwarves of Golarion, if you're a worshipper of Torag. You spend an hour each day attuning yourself to one of his Brood and you get access for the day to the associated spell. Things like:
Watchful Eye - Basically a minutes per level 1st level Shield Other
Mighty Strength - 4th level personal Bull Strength, but +8 strength instead of +4.
Invigorating Repose - Lasts an hour. While active, the first Breath of Life you cast can be cast up to 1/2 your caster level in rounds after the character is killed. Also, it's empowered.
There are others, but those are my favorites.
Also, Variant Spellcasting from Inner Sea Gods doesn't seem to have made the rounds to everyone yet. It's essentially free spell access just for worshipping a Deity. For example, Cleric/Oracle worshippers of Pharasma get access to False Life and a couple of other spells.
|
There's an active 200 post thread arguing about the Sleeves turning into the swarm suit. It might be best to argue about it there, rather than derail this thread with another argument about it.Per RAW the Sleeves literally transform their clothes into the desired clothing.While the description certainly states that your clothes "transform" into the other outfit (the language clearly indicates that the clothes actually change form), it's at odds not only with the way the prerequisite spell works, but also with the illusion aura the item has.
Agreed. Just wanted to make sure there was warning in this advice thread that it was controversial, so no one gets blindsided if they come across a GM that doesn't allow it.
Dot
|
|
my biggest problem with the many cute things mentioned on this thread is that often (some at least) judges we encounter will view anything "no one else seems to know about" with the view that the player is "trying to pull something". It boils down to the issue of player/judge trust - and some judges/players have been burned on this and have negitive responses built in about new things.
The only way to avoid this type of response from a judge is for each "gimmick" to be discussed with the judge before hand, so as not to "spring something" on him/her in the middle of the game. And even then it will sometimes "frost" the judge-player relationship. ...
I always try to let them know ahead of time. I think the only 'gimmick' that I regularly use is on my Kensai Magus. *
He uses wand wielder (allows you to activate an in-hand wand to use with spell combat instead of casting a spell), a wand of trues strike, a whip, and the disarm or trip action.
When he gets to use a full action he can basically trip or disarm virtually that has legs or an item regardless of it's CMD. Even though people say you can't trip things at higher levels, he regularly trips thinks that are much higher level than him. Has been the only level 5 playing in a 5-9 at upper 8-9 tier. He easily tripped and disarmed the foes in the tough fights.
I almost always arrive before play is ready to start. If it is not someone that has seen my magus in action prior to this, I always explain what Jorin will be attempting. Several have called it completely broken. But then I explain that he can only do the combo as a full action and will only be able to do it on the first attack once he has iterative attacks. My area denial is not as good as a trip lore warden or monk since I won't have it on AoO. Etc... Then given the restrictions, they realize it is pretty good but not that exceptional.
But I do think that a few might have had a fit if I had sprung it on them during the final boss fight.
* Now that I think about it: I have used my sorc's Heavenly Fire ability as a detect evil before. I volunteered to heal the 'victims' and one of them screamed in pain as the heavenly fire burned instead of healed. Showed us pretty clearly which was the perp and which were the vics.
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
The only way to avoid this type of response from a judge is for each "gimmick" to be discussed with the judge before hand, so as not to "spring something" on him/her in the middle of the game. And even then it will sometimes "frost" the judge-player relationship.
Despite the potential downsides, I think the best approach is to tell the GM in advance where possible when you're straying into "strange" territory.
It lets the GM decide with less emotion and it lets you know whether you should do something at the table (unless it is very important to you it is usually best to back off when the GM expresses discomfort)
Even if something seems clear to you it might not be clear to the GM. And the GM may even be right :-).
There are lots of rules issues that really DO need time, research and reflection to decide on, even when the rule is "clear" after spending that time, research and reflection.
Any GM who will be frosty when told in advance will be positively glacial when you spring it on them by surprise :-)
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
One of our VLs for PFS in the area always asks before her games if there is any unusual shenanigans that your characters use before play starts. It lets us get certain situations dealt with ahead of time but most importantly when done early it allows consultation time with the other GMs.
|
|
you know, I never got the obsession with magi and shocking grasp. I'd much rather use my iterative spell to buff myself, or if I was going to attack someone with it, using Close Range to cast ray of enfeeblement through my sword instead, which effective nets me AC and DR equal to half the damage I do, in addition to hitting them in the face.
|
|
I just consciously chose not to use magical lineage nor intensified spell. So my magus can't really do anything that people expect them to.
Neither of those is remotely necessary for a good magus. They're just the cornerstones of the most popular build, the Crit Fisher. The true beauty of the Magus class is how many darn ways it can be built effectively - a utility magus, a tank magus, a mobility magus, and a pure DPS magus are all entirely viable. It's the best class Paizo has ever written, with Slayer coming in as a close second (by far the best martial).
... They're just the cornerstones of the most popular build, the Crit Fisher. The true beauty of the Magus class is how many darn ways it can be built effectively - a utility magus, a tank magus, a mobility magus, and a pure DPS magus are all entirely viable. It's the best class Paizo has ever written, with Slayer coming in as a close second (by far the best martial).
I think I like the inquisitor slightly more than magus. But both are among the best classes in print.
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I am growing particularly fond of dazzling blade. The bonuses are highly circumstantial, but a 1st level Swift casting time spell that blinds and can be given to other party members to deliver as a Free action is just awesome.
That's surprisingly nice. The Mass version of it is 3rd level, affects targets within 30' of each other (that means your allies' weapons) and is still a Swift Action.
|
|
continuing on with the OT, I like shared language. It lets the polyglots in the group share their vast languages with the social monkey to allow the social monkey to do his job effectively.
Bard only spells are some of my favorite spells, especially ones that end my performance in conjunction with lingering performance (the entire Finale line of spells are amazingly good).
|
|
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
I don't really have a fix for it - just felt someone needed to point this out ... Now let's get back to the kewl stuff!
For me as a GM, it really comes down to a matter of timing and presentation.
If your gimmick is inherent to your build and guaranteed to come up, such as a Color-Spray Oracle of Heavens or an armored Maneuver Master Monk, it's best to get it out of the way early.
For a situational thing like the Sleeve of Many Swarmsuits, it's best if you present it in a non-confrontational manner and as objectively as possible. Something like,
"Okay, I'm pretty sure this works RAW, but you make the call. I put on my Sleeve of Many Garments, which lets me transform them into any non-magical set of clothing. The Swarmsuit isn't on the clothing table, but its description reads "these heavy and overlapping layers of clothing..." Then offer to hand over the description of both items for the GM to review.
Far too often I see players present these things like they're getting one over on the GM. Remember, the GM is not your enemy. They're there to run the adventure as written. They want you to succeed*.
*if they don't, get a new GM.
|
Venture-Lieutenant, Minnesota—Minneapolis
|
Sap +1 w/ Spell Storing.
Put a Cure Serious Wounds in it.
Since it is a weapon, you can draw it as part of a move action if your BAB is +1 or better, so anyone with enough Fame (27 required) will have that. Non-lethal, so you can just hit them with the weapon. The only problem is that it is Martial so Clerics don't know how to use it correctly.
Blunt Arrow +1 w/ Spell Storing
Once again, put Cure Serious Wounds in it.
Variant of the above, only now do it at range. A bit expensive, 160gp per arrow assuming you can get a player to fill them. Add another 150gp if you hire a cleric to cast it into them. Bit harder to hit your friends as well.
Sorry, I can't find any way to get Breath of Life into something like this. Spell storing is limited to 3rd level spells or less. I don't know of any, but a Staff with Breath of Life would also be great since being a staff you could draw it as part of a move.
Blunt Arrow +1 w/ Spell Storing
Once again, put Cure Serious Wounds in it.
Variant of the above, only now do it at range. A bit expensive, 160gp per arrow assuming you can get a player to fill them. Add another 150gp if you hire a cleric to cast it into them. Bit harder to hit your friends as well.
Unfortunately Spell Storing isn't on the ranged weapon enhancement list, only melee.
-j
|
|
Commoner.well, I did ask (several times) for a Boon to be allowed to take an NPC class...
Can I be an Expert?.
I'd love an Adept boon.
|
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Blunt Arrow +1 w/ Spell Storing
Once again, put Cure Serious Wounds in it.
Variant of the above, only now do it at range. A bit expensive, 160gp per arrow assuming you can get a player to fill them. Add another 150gp if you hire a cleric to cast it into them. Bit harder to hit your friends as well.Unfortunately Spell Storing isn't on the ranged weapon enhancement list, only melee.
-j
The only solution is to put breath of life into your +3 keen throwing returning greataxe of spell storing. "FEEL THE BLADES OF LIFE, FALLEN COMRADE!"
|
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I wonder what a commoner boon would go for at GenCon....
I bid $100 to not have to take it!
I would be annoyed by such a thing existing. It'd serve only as a troll character. You're on a mission for the society that is dangerous and your allies are relying on you. If you're intentionally playing a weak and pointless class, you're putting your companions in danger. If you're desperate to play a commoner, go be a Wizard with 9 Intelligence.
(Cue a 250 page argument about badwrongfun. *dives for cover*)
|
|
... They're just the cornerstones of the most popular build, the Crit Fisher. The true beauty of the Magus class is how many darn ways it can be built effectively - a utility magus, a tank magus, a mobility magus, and a pure DPS magus are all entirely viable. It's the best class Paizo has ever written, with Slayer coming in as a close second (by far the best martial).I think I like the inquisitor slightly more than magus. But both are among the best classes in print.
I've examined the Inquisitor and not one thing about it stood out to me as particularly good. What is it about the class so many people find awesome? I've seen many players who really like it.
|
|
I've examined the Inquisitor and not one thing about it stood out to me as particularly good. What is it about the class so many people find awesome? I've seen many players who really like it.... They're just the cornerstones of the most popular build, the Crit Fisher. The true beauty of the Magus class is how many darn ways it can be built effectively - a utility magus, a tank magus, a mobility magus, and a pure DPS magus are all entirely viable. It's the best class Paizo has ever written, with Slayer coming in as a close second (by far the best martial).I think I like the inquisitor slightly more than magus. But both are among the best classes in print.
It has great skills, a unique spell list, and judgements+bane make you an incredibly effective combatant for x rounds per day. Monster lore and Wisdom to initiative are gravy.
|
RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16
|
My new favourite spell is Nap Stack.
You reduce the amount of uninterrupted sleep or rest creatures within the spell's area need in order to recover from injuries, regain spells, or other special abilities to 2 hours instead of the normal eight. In addition, if creatures continue to sleep or rest beyond the initial 2 hours, every additional 2 hours counts as a day of rest for the purpose of recovering hit points, ability damage, as well as for enduring diseases, poisons, or other afflictions. This means 8 total hours of sleep counts as 4 days for natural healing and for saving throws as diseases or similar afflictions run their course. When suffering from diseases, poison, or other afflictions, sleepers experience vivid dreams that help them track their recovery. If things go poorly they can, at any time, wake themselves up in order to seek a better alternative. If awoken or otherwise disturbed during this 8-hour period, creatures may return to sleep but they no longer enjoy the benefits of the accelerated recovery time. Creatures can only enjoy the benefits of this spell once in any 1-week period.
For a 100gp material component, you can rest get 8 hours' rest in two hours. Particularly when you're on the clock, this can make a huge difference, as you can probably sacrifice the two hours to go in with all your spells and abilities refreshed. It's proved handy after a particularly bruising encounter when you suspect the next encounter is not far away.
It also makes for some interesting RP when the cleric of Asmodeus starts asking the GM where you can find a small, silk pillow for 100gp and doesn't explain why.
I wonder what a commoner boon would go for at GenCon....I bid $100 to not have to take it!
I would be annoyed by such a thing existing. It'd serve only as a troll character. You're on a mission for the society that is dangerous and your allies are relying on you. If you're intentionally playing a weak and pointless class, you're putting your companions in danger. If you're desperate to play a commoner, go be a Wizard with 9 Intelligence.
(Cue a 250 page argument about badwrongfun. *dives for cover*)
Well I wouldn't want commoner. Except maybe as an extreme challenge. But I would probably be willing to give expert, adept, or aristocrat a go.
..
... Other casters have the same restrictions as well. Divine casters are a bit more questionable as well, as their initial preparation (as opposed to filling slots left open) are made at the same time each day. I'd like to know how the spell works with divine casters for this reason. ...
As far as I can tell, it doesn't change it. Your paladin still has to prep spells at dawn (or whatever) but only has to have 2 hours of rest to do so.
..
It has great skills, a unique spell list, and judgements+bane make you an incredibly effective combatant for x rounds per day. Monster lore and Wisdom to initiative are gravy.I've examined the Inquisitor and not one thing about it stood out to me as particularly good. What is it about the class so many people find awesome? I've seen many players who really like it.... They're just the cornerstones of the most popular build, the Crit Fisher. The true beauty of the Magus class is how many darn ways it can be built effectively - a utility magus, a tank magus, a mobility magus, and a pure DPS magus are all entirely viable. It's the best class Paizo has ever written, with Slayer coming in as a close second (by far the best martial).I think I like the inquisitor slightly more than magus. But both are among the best classes in print.
Second, no one ability really stands out as amazing, so many people look at it and think, meh...
But it has a lot of really good stuff in it.
*Domain powers or inquisitions - some of these are really quite good.
*Excellent skill points (I always love more skill points).
*Great on monster lore even though not an intelligence caster.
*Not a primary caster but enough more than a ranger or paladin that you can be making effective use of them (even offensively) right from first level.
*Judgements to help almost anything you want to do today. You need to be the healer today because there isn't one? High spell resistance making it hard to affect mister BBEG? Need better DPS? Something hard to hit? Do you need to tank today? Is the opposition throwing high DC spells? You can get help at all of it.
*Add your casting stat to initiative (who doesn't like higher initiative bonus?).
*Detect any alignment.
*Spontaneous caster (many of us vastly prefer spontaneous over prepared).
*Wisdom as the casting stat, I don't always want to be the face and I like the help on the most important saving throw.
*Bonus teamwork feats that you can use even if no one else took any?
*Track, situational but you usually want someone to have it.
*Bane, some would take it just for this all by itself.
You can build a very good version of almost any role except primary caster with the inquisitor. Be specialized enough to be very good at that role. And still be versatile enough to fill in on 2 or 3 other party roles.
