Renegadeshepherd |
Hi all. I'm seeking a rough concensus as to what classes are "best" equipped to handle encounters where you have a single tough opponent and you may have to go relatively unaided or completely alone. Obviously there are many variables as a single opponent can be spell caster, dragon, a flyer, etc so the PC has to be reasonably flexible.
So name your top 3. Mine would be...
1) any sorcerer but I prefer DD (sorcerer usually gets to pick his fight)
2) paladin (self heals and excellent defense allows attrition in paladin favor)
3) barbarian self explanatory
Honorable mention: battle cleric
Issac Daneil |
Summoners can bring a customizable group of allies for assistence, so if you count 1v1 as: "Any effect brought on by your own power alone.", then they can arrange their summons, Eidolons, and Planar Bound allies into an almost Chess player style army.
One class I found to be useful, at least at lower levels was Alchemist. So long as I was careful, I could adapt to oncoming challenges, and even if I was blind sided, I was an Alchemist in Scale Armor, wielding a Great Axe, with bombs, self healing, and one or two defensive retreating extracts prepared.
So, my list is namely Summoner and Alchemist. Honorable mentions would be Wizard and Cleric; after all, if played smart they can do the above tricks of both classes. But then again, they need to survive levels 1-5 first.
Honestly, my biggest concern with a 1v1 character is; you need to be aware of your own weaknesses and have ways around them. Barbarians need alternate mobility, and should anticipate their magical items that grant those movements being shut down for example.
Guardianlord |
Wizards are generally the best when they are prepared, their spells and abilities allow them to adapt to almost any situation.
If it can't be done with magic, then you aren't using the right spell (Wish helps).
Druids are great for combat solutions, having a companion (at higher levels doing as much damage and with as much HP as a full fighter) helps control their opponent and allows them to cast high damage or control spells unimpeded.
So
1. Wizards
2. Druids
3. Partial Casters (Mix of martial and magic means more adaptability)
Renegadeshepherd |
Just a clarification for everyone, this isn't PvP. Also some might think I'm seeking LV 20s, rather I'm seeking features across all the levels. At level 1-4 a caster isn't going to make the top 3 very often but will be great later. So I seek more of an average across the lifespan of a character. Also I do count summoners and summoning as class features. They are excellent one trick ponies but that's all they have and are squishy early so they didn't make my list.
Darksol the Painbringer |
Just a clarification for everyone, this isn't PvP.
Not sure what the point of mentioning this is. It doesn't change anything. Casters dominate at all levels. Sleep, Daze, Color Spray, etc. are all "I Win" buttons, since a CDG at low levels is nigh-impossible to survive from. (10 + Damage Dealt as a Fort Save? Having at best +6 or +7 won't stop that DC 18+ Save or Die too well; even if they do live, they're going to be cut in half, unconscious, or dead from the damage alone.)
Later levels, damage becomes a bit more viable, but so do summoned monsters, etc. So the gap just becomes even greater from there.
Full Casters > Everything. Because Full Casters get everything. (And then some. And then some on top of that then some. And even more...)
Brambleman |
Divination wizards tend to be good for this as they get an initiative bonus, and as wizards that turns into getting a game ending spell of first. The higher level wizard, the better this works, but even at low levels there is color spray and sleep.
Ranged Martials aren't half bad though. You don't have to move into position to start chaingunning through their health.
Really its going to be a formula of Initiative + Win condition.
Scavion |
At level 1-4 a caster isn't going to make the top 3 very often but will be great later. Also I do count summoners and summoning as class features. They are excellent one trick ponies but that's all they have and are squishy early so they didn't make my list.
...You should look around the boards a bit. A Full caster is still incredibly powerful at low level. 2nd level optimized Boom Mage puts out 4d4+9 Burning Hands. Or you could deal with the Color Spray Heavens Oracle who takes that ability to about 12th level. 1st level Witch is a 50/50 win the fight button worst case scenario that only gets more devastating as they level.
And last I checked a d8 hit die and light armor wasn't that squishy, especially when you get access to solid defensive spells like Shield, Blur, and Barkskin. Armor Expert and congratulations, you can wear a Mithril Breastplate with no issues.
Renegadeshepherd |
So if I understand you all, save or lose effects are more or less all that matters when dealing with single enemies. Features that would negate their save or dies/sucks/lose are good but offense is best defense. Also, switch hitting like rangers are less than spells. Did that about sum it up?
If above is accurate, then this raises a new question... Wouldn't spontaneous casters be greater than prepared list casters in every single instance? Occasionally even the best caster will fail his save or lose, so would a spontaneous caster be advantaged in him be able to cast that spell again?
Prince of Knives |
So if I understand you all, save or lose effects are more or less all that matters when dealing with single enemies. Features that would negate their save or dies/sucks/lose are good but offense is best defense. Also, switch hitting like rangers are less than spells. Did that about sum it up?
If above is accurate, then this raises a new question... Wouldn't spontaneous casters be greater than prepared list casters in every single instance? Occasionally even the best caster will fail his save or lose, so would a spontaneous caster be advantaged in him be able to cast that spell again?
The two are very similar in power and very close to each other, but ultimately prepared casters (barring paragon surge) win out because it's better to have more options than it is to be able to use the same options more often. That said, a wizard throwing down with a sorcerer is in for one hell of a fight, and neither would take it lightly.
Darksol the Painbringer |
Renegadeshepherd wrote:The two are very similar in power and very close to each other, but ultimately prepared casters (barring paragon surge) win out because it's better to have more options than it is to be able to use the same options more often. That said, a wizard throwing down with a sorcerer is in for one hell of a fight, and neither would take it lightly.So if I understand you all, save or lose effects are more or less all that matters when dealing with single enemies. Features that would negate their save or dies/sucks/lose are good but offense is best defense. Also, switch hitting like rangers are less than spells. Did that about sum it up?
If above is accurate, then this raises a new question... Wouldn't spontaneous casters be greater than prepared list casters in every single instance? Occasionally even the best caster will fail his save or lose, so would a spontaneous caster be advantaged in him be able to cast that spell again?
Pretty much this. They're neck and neck, and both boil down to both playstyle and semantic differences.
Wizards have more chances to find a weakness in the Sorcerer's "defenses," meaning more chance to exploit it, but a Sorcerer who has a Wizard's "weakness" will have more firepower to exploit with, since he isn't barred from spell memorization.
The way I see it, you're comparing Superman to Batman. The former is practically the best when it comes down to power and strength. The latter, on the other hand, is ready for anything and everything that comes his way. And you can bet that when Batman comes across Superman, he'll have his Kryptonite packed somewhere in his utility belt...