Star Wars Rebels

[Spook205]

I get where jemstone's coming from here.

The issue is basically we're running into a decision gate later on.

Either we need to explain why Ezra and Kanan aren't the ones getting Leia's message in ANH, something terrible may befall our adventurers or something else. If there are active jedi out there, quite rightly, the rebellion would rally behind them.

Why is Luke given singular importance when the EU apparently has enough jedi surviving the purge to fill a stadium?

The show's been kind of clever with this a bit though. Aside from some imperial information on them though nobody knows the jedi are out there. I mean some wookies know about it, but the reveal of Ezra or Kanan being jedi is something the characters and show are good at keeping quiet about.

Recent developments do not bode well for Kanan and Fulcrum however. I'm not sure though if either of them really made it to 'Jedi Knight' or if they were still Padawans.

[Krensky]

Of course, with Clone Wars and Rebels as canon, we also have Master Obi-Wan ordering the Jedi to go into hiding. Depending on the level of hiding (and that the majority of the survivors would logically be padawans who escaped while their master bought them time or those who were hermits in the first place) they may not know what's going on in the wider galaxy.

Plus a lot of them may have simply not wanted get involved after the surviving the horror of Order 66, the Inquisition, and the very reasonable conclusion that the Jedi getting involved was what let the whole thing happen.

Essentially, the Jedi most likely to go and charge off and lead or advise the Rebellion are already dead and the few who are known and involved in the Alliance are potentially too valuable to risk in the open or even semi-open.

As for survivors of Order 66, in Canon we only know about six, two of which are dead by the time Rebels starts. In Legends the number of survivors was said to be fewer than a hundred, but it seems it might be closer to two hundred.

[Freehold DM]

jemstone wrote:

I mean, that Mace is one bad motha...
Bo Shuda!

(I'm just talkin' 'bout Mace...)

then I can dig it.

[Krensky]

Mace Windu, Jedi Badass.

Obviously Mace fell through a space-hole-a-majigger and wound up on Earth-19999 in the 1980s.

[Freehold DM]

Rotfl

[Krensky]

Spook205 wrote:

I get where jemstone's coming from here.

The issue is basically we're running into a decision gate later on.

Either we need to explain why Ezra and Kanan aren't the ones getting Leia's message in ANH, something terrible may befall our adventurers or something else. If there are active jedi out there, quite rightly, the rebellion would rally behind them.

Why is Luke given singular importance when the EU apparently has enough jedi surviving the purge to fill a stadium?

The show's been kind of clever with this a bit though. Aside from some imperial information on them though nobody knows the jedi are out there. I mean some wookies know about it, but the reveal of Ezra or Kanan being jedi is something the characters and show are good at keeping quiet about.

Recent developments do not bode well for Kanan and Fulcrum however. I'm not sure though if either of them really made it to 'Jedi Knight' or if they were still Padawans.

There are potentially a number of reasons. Politics and propaganda is one. I mean, no one cares about a couple of failed jedi or padawans. General Obi-Wan Kenobi, Hero of the Clone Wars, blah blah blah. Now that's a different matter entirely.

I don't really remember the dialog, but was Leia sent to Tatooine to collect Kenobi, or was she coincidentally passing it on the way to Yavin when Vader and the 501st jumped her ship? I seem to remember it as the later, especially since her mission was to get the Death Star plans to Alliance Command on Yavin.

As for the argument about Jedi cheapening the accomplishments of non-force users in the Rebellion, remember who the greatest combat pilot of the era is. It's not Luke. It's not Vader. It's not even Han.

It's Wedge. Who has a grand total of, what, a dozen lines across the whole trilogy?

Similarly while it's not expressly stated in the movies, they do strongly suggest that Akbar, Madine, and the rest of the Alliance's staff are much better commanders then the Empire's and I'd consider them better at it than the Jedi generals were shown to be in the movies and series.

[Freehold DM]

WEDGE ANTILLES FOR LIFE! LONG LIVE ROGUE SQUADRON!

[Kalshane]

jemstone wrote:

Please don't put words in my mouth when I've said clearly that I also do not hate the idea of Secret Jedi.

Okay. My turn to apologize. I got turned around somewhere in the midst of the discussion. Sorry for the false attribution/accusation.

jemstone wrote:

I have only ever said that I don't think they're necessary to tell a good story - to tell the continuing story of Star Wars, specifically. I've said over and over that if there were any secret Jedi left in the Galaxy, that I feel that they would have shown up. I have said that it is clear (to me, at least!) that the way Lucas set the story up, there are two Sith, and there are two Jedi, and that's that. Luke comes into it and becomes that "Balance to the Force" that we hear over and over in the Prequels. Any surviving Secret Jedi (we need to make that the name of a band...) throw that aspect of Lucas' story right out the window.

I think some of the problem is Lucas' own vision/story has evolved as time went on. (And not just in the "Greedo Shoots First/Needless CGI everywhere" sense.) Based on Tarkin and Obi-Wan's dialogue in ANH, Jedi seemed far less numerous, even in their heyday, than what we see in the Prequels. Obi-Wan also gives the impression he encountered Anakin as a hot-shot pilot in the Clone Wars and discovered his talent with the Force, not a slave on a backwater planet, among other things. We have to hand-wave a lot of ANH to make it fit with the other 5 movies.

Ultimately, going back to Rebels, I'm fine with the existence of Ahsoka and Kanan and Ezra, as it stands. I am interested in seeing how they move forward into the era of the original trilogy and how it ends up meshing with what we know from those movies. Hopefully they will find a way for it to work, whether that involves killing them off or something else. Regardless, as others have pointed out, it's a very large galaxy and we've only seen a small, official, part of it in the time of the Original Trilogy. There's a lot of room for them to work within.

[Ambrosia Slaad]

Dragon78 wrote:

I would love it if instead of killing Ahsoka, Vader freezes her in carbonite so she could be alive and maybe in a live action movie.

Dear Disney,

Please ask Ashley Eckstein if she would be willing to don the makeup and lekku, and do the 3-4 months of preparatory Jedi swordtraining, to appear in Star Wars VIII or IX.

Thank you,
Ambrosia Planeswalker

[jemstone]

Kalshane, we're good. Let's go join FreeholdDM in the Cathar pile. :)

[Belabras]

Many Cathar died to bring us this thread.

[Matthew Morris]

Freehold DM wrote:

WEDGE ANTILLES FOR LIFE! LONG LIVE ROGUE SQUADRON!

One of my favorite EU "Wedge is awesome" moments is when Coran is dogfighting him and using the Force to try to evade him.

Essentially he sees arrows showing every possible route he can take and not get killed, and the arrows get smaller... and smaller...

And he's like "And he's doing this on pure skill, no Force sensitivity at all."

[Freehold DM]

Matthew Morris wrote:

Freehold DM wrote:

WEDGE ANTILLES FOR LIFE! LONG LIVE ROGUE SQUADRON!

One of my favorite EU "Wedge is awesome" moments is when Coran is dogfighting him and using the Force to try to evade him.

Essentially he sees arrows showing every possible route he can take and not get killed, and the arrows get smaller... and smaller...

And he's like "And he's doing this on pure skill, no Force sensitivity at all."

the star wars universe needs more wedges overall. That, or to cleave to the idea that people like wedge are using the force -just not in the way the Jedi, or even force sensitives do.

[Bjørn Røyrvik]

Freehold DM wrote:

Yup.

I don't get. What's with the Russian bit?

[Krensky]

I think he got Bjørn mixed up with Медве́дев since the Olympics judge joke is traditionally done with East Germany.

[Alceste008]

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

I would love it if instead of killing Ahsoka, Vader freezes her in carbonite so she could be alive and maybe in a live action movie.

Dear Disney,

Please ask Ashley Eckstein if she would be willing to don the makeup and lekku, and do the 3-4 months of preparatory Jedi swordtraining, to appear in Star Wars VIII or IX.

Thank you,
Ambrosia Planeswalker

Lol, this comment made my day. This would be a great way to introduce the younger audience to the Star Wars movies.

[Matthew Morris]

Alceste008 wrote:

Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

I would love it if instead of killing Ahsoka, Vader freezes her in carbonite so she could be alive and maybe in a live action movie.

Dear Disney,

Please ask Ashley Eckstein if she would be willing to don the makeup and lekku, and do the 3-4 months of preparatory Jedi swordtraining, to appear in Star Wars VIII or IX.

Thank you,
Ambrosia Planeswalker

Lol, this comment made my day. This would be a great way to introduce the younger audience to the Star Wars movies.

Plus she'd look good in the costume. ;-)

[Krensky]

Freehold DM wrote:

phantom1592 wrote:

Now, what is this about sith and bionics?

I would have to dig out weg stuff to answer that...

It's been a while, but if memory serves it's that the Dark Side causes physical corruption and deterioration of those who use it. Other than that bionics didn't really help or hurt those who had them the way they do in a lot of games.

[Krensky]

I'll just leave this here...

[phantom1592]

Krensky wrote:

I'll just leave this here...

Thank you very much ^___^

I can't stop grinning

[Freehold DM]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[GM Niles]

Is it bad that the SW:Rebels trailer gets me as excited as the SW:The Force Awakens trailer?

I mean...Darth Vader right?

[Aranna]

Thank you very much. Sweet.

[Freehold DM]

Aranna wrote:

Thank you very much. Sweet.

see? We agree on some things....

[Aranna]

Freehold DM wrote:

Aranna wrote:

Thank you very much. Sweet.

see? We agree on some things....

You say that like I don't know it.

[baron arem heshvaun]

My money is on the black guy with a cape, he looks like he would be a cool character.

[Aberzombie]

Yeah, I always love when the House of Mouse flexes its not inconsiderable muscle to bring Star Wars fans some joy in the way of James Earl Jones revisiting perhaps his greatest character ever.

[baron arem heshvaun]

Meanwhile I'll just leave this here.

[Aberzombie]

That...was pretty f*%&ed up. Awesome! But f~#$ed up.

[Matthew Morris]

Red? More Ashoka? Hondo? Frak Vader, we know he survives, but Red and Ashoka, Hell's yes!

[Andrew Betts]

I don't know what's got me more excited ... the new Ep VII trailer or the new Rebels trailer. There are not words to describe my joy.

[baron arem heshvaun]

Here be huge spoilers from Episode 1 of Season 2.

For those who don't want to go to that link but still want to read some production notes for Season 2.

Spoiler:

The premiere is a one-hour event titled “The Siege Of Lothal”. For those of you who are getting Lothal cabin-fever, I can say that (without giving anything away) the episode ends on a note that suggests we won’t be seeing the planet for a while after this.

The episode is one of the darkest stories that has been told so far.

Guest stars galore – Billy Dee Williams, Phil LaMarr, and James Earl Jones return as Lando Calrissian, Bail Organa, and Darth Vader respectively, while Sam Witwer makes his debut on the show as Emperor Palpatine.

Kanan is ambivalent on if he wants to assist the organized group of Rebel Cells or if he wants to pursue his own missions with the Ghost crew. Hera, conversely, is firmly in favor Rebel Cells due to their rescue at the end of “Fire Across The Galaxy”. This is apparently an internal conflict that carries through for the season.

Ezra begins to establish himself more as a leader for the team, as opposed to a follower.

Ahsoka Tano is important to the story, but she is not thrust into the role of being the main character. The focus of the narrative is still on the crew of the Ghost.

A group of pilots called Phoenix Squadron (which flies B-wings and A-wings, among other ships) is introduced as a Rebel Cell. A character named Commander Sato leads these soldiers.

Darth Vader is very prominent in this episode, but the ending suggests that he will not be the primary threat that the Rebel Cells will have to deal with this season. He is much more threatening to the Ghost crew than Wilhuff Tarkin was – and by a significant margin. All of (or almost all of) the clips involving Darth Vader that were shown in the Season 2 Trailer are from this episode. In fact, most of the trailer features content from “The Siege Of Lothal”.

“The Siege Of Lothal” will air in the Summer, while the show itself will resume in the Autumn. No official dates were mentioned.

Season 2 will be 22 episodes long (“The Seige Of Lothal” will count as two episodes, based on how “Spark Of Rebellion” was counted as two episodes in Season 1). The information about when the show will go back on the air personally leads me to believe that Rebels will not have any extensive hiatuses once it starts back up again (in order to coincide with the release of The Force Awakens).

[Freehold DM]

Coooooooool

[Aberzombie]

Sweet!

[GM Niles]

Effing Sweet.

[Aranna]

Arrrgh... I had to pry myself away from those spoilers. This sounds so very sweet.

[GreyWolfLord]

Errr....

So...stuff from the Film's books and other things are no longer Canon either?

Meaning Return of the Jedi is no longer Canon?

Or is Rebels not Canon?

Spoiler:

Because I could swear A-wings and B-wings weren't around for the big reason that even in the trilogy books they were new fighter craft that came about right around the time of RotJ.....

Which was the explanation (at the time) why we didn't see them in ANH or ESB.

[Freehold DM]

They were experimental craft during the time period. Extremely rare until Rotj.

[Krensky]

The novelizations weren't canon anyway, only the films themselves.

[jemstone]

While I can't speak for the B-Wing, the A-Wing has history that is visible in the Episode 1-3 trilogy, in the form of the arrowhead-shaped Jedi starfighter flown by Obi-Wan in Ep2, and then again in the pre-Tie starfighers (again Jedi craft) flown by Obi-Wan and Anakin in Ep3.

This is pretty evident throughout the prequel trilogy, in fact.

The X-Wing and Y-Wing, for instance, are clearly descendants (or cousins) of the ARC-170 (they both share design philosophy with that ship) - the multi-wing S-foil configuration of the X-Wing, or the tailgunner configuration of the Y-Wing as easy examples. The Y-Wing also shares some design aspects with the "Naboo Starfighters", in terms of silhouette, if nothing else.

The A-Wing shares design philosophy with at least two Jedi craft and the "V-Wing" starfighters seen tooling along as escort pickets around the Star Destroyers at the end of Ep3.

The history and genealogy is there, if you know where to look for it in the films.

[Krensky]

I never said the designs weren't homaged by the stuff in the prequels, but the stuff about where the A and B wing came from in the novels and RPG supplements is not and never had been canon.

[jemstone]

Krensky wrote:

I never said the designs weren't homaged by the stuff in the prequels, but the stuff about where the A and B wing came from in the novels and RPG supplements is not and never had been canon.

Oh, I get you. I was backing you up by citing the films specifically, and not the EU/ExU/RPG sources. :)

[baron arem heshvaun]

I'll just leave this here, while I whistle The Imperial March.

[baron arem heshvaun]

Nice threads.

[baron arem heshvaun]

The US army has their "I am an army of one" recruiting video.

The Empire's "I am The Imperial Navy of One."

The Siege of Lothal preview.

Minor spoilers.

[Aberzombie]

Loved hearing James Earl Jones again. And it was awesome to see just how bad ass and scare-the-s!+%-out-of-everyone Vader could be.

[Freehold DM]

AWESOME!

[DM_aka_Dudemeister]

Siege of Lothal was everything great about Star Wars, boiled down to one hour of great TV.

[Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun]

In place of a Dark Lord, you would have a Queen! Not dark, but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Treacherous as the seas! Stronger than the foundations of the earth!
All shall love me, and despair!

[phantom1592]

Is this online anywhere? my Dvr didn't catch the season premier >.<