Seems legit.
Greater overrun gives an AoO if opponent is knocked prone.
If the AoO is a Shield Slam, then free Bull Rush.
Greater Bull Rush even provokes another AoO.
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Well the arguement I made was that for the AoO you only get a single attack action so you can only use your main hand to attack since its your MAIN hand ya no?Seems legit.
Greater overrun gives an AoO if opponent is knocked prone.
If the AoO is a Shield Slam, then free Bull Rush.
Greater Bull Rush even provokes another AoO.
No, not only can you use any weapon (including Unarmed and Natural) to make an AoO but there is no rule saying you cannot "main hand" your shield.
Well the arguement I made was that for the AoO you only get a single attack action so you can only use your main hand to attack since its your MAIN hand ya no?Seems legit.
Greater overrun gives an AoO if opponent is knocked prone.
If the AoO is a Shield Slam, then free Bull Rush.
Greater Bull Rush even provokes another AoO.
You only have a "main hand" under two circumstance:
1) You attack twice in a single round using the two-weapon fighting rules2) You use the monk flurry of blows class feature with a weapon (instead of an unarmed strike)
Outside of those two situations, there is no restriction on what hand does what. You can take iterative attacks and AoOs with any weapon/shield in any order.
There's nothing under shield bash that says it's anything other than a normal attack, so you could absolutely use a shield bash as an AoO.
Also, note that Greater Bull Rush says
"Whenever you bull rush an opponent, his movement provokes attacks of opportunity from all of your allies (but not you)."
So if there were any allies around, they would get the extra AoO from Greater Bull Rush, but the shield basher doesn't get another AoO from the bull rush. (From your description, it doesn't sound like he tried to take one, but I just wanted to clarify.)
Well the arguement I made was that for the AoO you only get a single attack action so you can only use your main hand to attack since its your MAIN hand ya no?Seems legit.
Greater overrun gives an AoO if opponent is knocked prone.
If the AoO is a Shield Slam, then free Bull Rush.
Greater Bull Rush even provokes another AoO.You only have a "main hand" under two circumstance:
1) You attack twice in a single round using the two-weapon fighting rules
2) You use the monk flurry of blows class feature with a weapon (instead of an unarmed strike)Outside of those two situations, there is no restriction on what hand does what. You can take iterative attacks and AoOs with any weapon/shield in any order.
There's nothing under shield bash that says it's anything other than a normal attack, so you could absolutely use a shield bash as an AoO.
Also, note that Greater Bull Rush says
"Whenever you bull rush an opponent, his movement provokes attacks of opportunity from all of your allies (but not you)."So if there were any allies around, they would get the extra AoO from Greater Bull Rush, but the shield basher doesn't get another AoO from the bull rush. (From your description, it doesn't sound like he tried to take one, but I just wanted to clarify.)
You can nix that second one as well, since you only need a single weapon for flurry of blows.
Can you bull rush a prone opponent?
Technically the attack of opportunity happens before the condition that provokes them, which is why you can't trip-lock someone. So, your bull rush attempt happens before the overrun target is prone. Additionally, nothing in the bull rush description or shield slam precludes bull rushing a prone opponent.
So yeah, this seems like it works. It also seems like the overrun target is prone and pushed back the distance granted by the bull rush maneuver check.
Well the arguement I made was that for the AoO you only get a single attack action so you can only use your main hand to attack since its your MAIN hand ya no?Seems legit.
Greater overrun gives an AoO if opponent is knocked prone.
If the AoO is a Shield Slam, then free Bull Rush.
Greater Bull Rush even provokes another AoO.You only have a "main hand" under two circumstance:
1) You attack twice in a single round using the two-weapon fighting rules
2) You use the monk flurry of blows class feature with a weapon (instead of an unarmed strike)Outside of those two situations, there is no restriction on what hand does what. You can take iterative attacks and AoOs with any weapon/shield in any order.
There's nothing under shield bash that says it's anything other than a normal attack, so you could absolutely use a shield bash as an AoO.
Also, note that Greater Bull Rush says
"Whenever you bull rush an opponent, his movement provokes attacks of opportunity from all of your allies (but not you)."So if there were any allies around, they would get the extra AoO from Greater Bull Rush, but the shield basher doesn't get another AoO from the bull rush. (From your description, it doesn't sound like he tried to take one, but I just wanted to clarify.)
That's my fault. I forgot that part.
No, not only can you use any weapon (including Unarmed and Natural) to make an AoO but there is no rule saying you cannot "main hand" your shield.Well the arguement I made was that for the AoO you only get a single attack action so you can only use your main hand to attack since its your MAIN hand ya no?Seems legit.
Greater overrun gives an AoO if opponent is knocked prone.
If the AoO is a Shield Slam, then free Bull Rush.
Greater Bull Rush even provokes another AoO.
Not only is there not "no rule saying you can't main hand your shield" there is an explicit rule that says you CAN main hand your shield.
Text:
The text for a shield bash assumes you're making a bash as an off-hand attack, but you don't have to. You can, for example, just make a shield bash attack (at your normal, main-hand attack bonus) or shield bash with your main hand and attack with a sword in your off-hand.
Update: Page 152—In the Shield Bash Attacks section, in the first sentence, delete “using it as an off-hand weapon.”
No, not only can you use any weapon (including Unarmed and Natural) to make an AoO but there is no rule saying you cannot "main hand" your shield.Well the arguement I made was that for the AoO you only get a single attack action so you can only use your main hand to attack since its your MAIN hand ya no?Seems legit.
Greater overrun gives an AoO if opponent is knocked prone.
If the AoO is a Shield Slam, then free Bull Rush.
Greater Bull Rush even provokes another AoO.Not only is there not "no rule saying you can't main hand your shield" there is an explicit rule that says you CAN main hand your shield.
Text:
The text for a shield bash assumes you're making a bash as an off-hand attack, but you don't have to. You can, for example, just make a shield bash attack (at your normal, main-hand attack bonus) or shield bash with your main hand and attack with a sword in your off-hand.
Update: Page 152—In the Shield Bash Attacks section, in the first sentence, delete “using it as an off-hand weapon.”
Even when we're on the same side of the discussion you seem mad at me. Bald head just glaring at me...
I'm sowwy. I don't mean to. =(
to add to the others as said greater overrun allows an aoo the game does not care what you attack with as long as its a weapon its legitimate. the fact that it triggers a bulkrush and slides the opponent like a shuffleboard rock is irrelevant.
however in response to kainpan overrun works fine with a charge as the attack is replaced by the overrun attempt.
Can you bull rush a prone opponent?
It makes it even easier since penalties to your AC cause your CMD to lower as well.
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Also, remember that the amount of AoOs you get to make per round is limited; 1 normally, or up to [dex mod] with Combat Reflexes. Cute, but not the end of the world.Small point but the wording on combat reflexes is "additional attacks equal to your dex mod" so wouldn't that be dex mod plus one? But you never know, maybe he has snake fang and could get that extra hit.
Eh, maybe. Either way, how many AoOs is that really going to be? 6, if you really go for it? And only one per enemy, against enemies weak enough that you can reliably overrun all of them?
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Greater Overrun, Improved Overrun, Improved Bullrush, and Shield Slam. What he did was charge through an enemy unit Is this at all legal?
You are using Overrun with a Charge, which isn't well understood by the majority of GM's and isn't defined in a FAQ.
You are using a build similar to one I built that was ruled differently on nearly every table of PFS from level 6 to level 9.
My advice is to train away the Overrun feats and go straight Bull Rush and don't combine with Charge. Alternatively don't play with different GM's, find one GM and get him to rule on how the rules work together.
Eh, maybe. Either way, how many AoOs is that really going to be? 6, if you really go for it? And only one per enemy, against enemies weak enough that you can reliably overrun all of them?
Minor nitpick: one AoO per trigger. If someone (very very stupid) were to walk around you (not 5-ft step) and try to retrieve an item (say a potion), and then attempted to use it within your threatened square, you could theoretically make 3 AoO against them.
Will this ever happen? Not bloody likely. but it _could_.
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--Bacon
Just takes an elaborate setup of a team of full fighters, all chain shieldbashing the guy in circles around the team high dex barb ^_^
