One thing I'm noticing as I'm looking at effective ways to run the beguiler for high level play is that all of the 9th level spells seem lackluster. For a full caster, there should be something there that's really powerful: a signature spell for the class that gives them demigod-like powers over their particular magical domain. The beguiler seems to lack something like this since most 9th level illusion spells are too offensive for their spell list and most 9th level enchantment spells are just modifications of lower level spells. Have you considered giving the beguiler something like superior invisibility?
The question is: does it pass the flour test?
The question is: does it pass the flour test?I'm sorry, I don't follow.
One of the easiest ways to break invisibility is to just carry a bag of flour and throw it around when enemies go invisible. I was wondering if this spell would be so easily defeated.
Dot for eventually... maybe.
Tyrone's Mind Eraser:
rofl it sounds like a drink you'd order at a seedy tavern... and that is absolutely perfect for a beguiler spell :p
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Sorry for the delay in my summary of our playtest, I've been sick as a dog for the last week. I'll start off with the cast of characters we play with, one build for each order/archetype. They all shared the same stat rolls (we do 5d6 drop the two lowest) the resulting array was: 18, 16, 15, 14, 10, 9.
Here are our six beguilers at level one(stat boosts and penalties in brackets, alternate racial traits in square brackets).
arcane hand build - Human (+2 int) [silver tongued]:
Lady Seriana "Bragg" Braggard
Str 10, Dex 16, Con 14, Int 20, Wis 9, Cha 15.
Born of noble parents, heiress to her family's title. As an act of rebellion against her parents she joined the beguiler's guild instead of entering the local wizard's college. Narcisistic, selfish, unyielding.
wandering heart build - Ifrit (+2 dex, +2 cha, -2 wis) [efreeti magic, hypnotic, wildfire heart]:
Ember Strongheart
Str 10, Dex 17, Con 14, Int 18, Wis 7, Cha 18.
Her efreeti father left his elemental home when he fell in love with her human mother. As her mother died in childbirth, he was left to raise her in this strange new land. When she came of age she struck out on her own and left her small village for the big city. Quickly finding herself in trouble, she joined the beguiler's guild to pay off the debt of their protection. Beautiful, coy, sweet.
baleful shadow build - Wayang (+2 dex, +2 int, -2 wis):
Fidgit
Str 15, Dex 18, Con 10, Int 20, Wis 7, Cha 14.
He doesn't like to talk about his past, nobody's quite sure of where he came from. He found the secret, underground headquarters of a beguiler's guild and they haven't been able to get rid of him since. Insane, offputting, flighty.
ghastly claw build - Sylph (+2 dex, +2 int, -2 con) [breeze-kissed, like the wind]:
Luro Akaash
Str 15, Dex 18, Con 12, Int 20, Wis 9, Cha 10.
Orphaned because of his mixed blood, he carved a home for himself in the ghettos. By age five he was leading a gang of homeless orphans that eventually ran the local mob out of town. Over the years, stealing no longer satisfied him and he sought out new thrills as an assassin amongst the beguilers. Strong, unfeeling, ambitious.
theurgic brigand build - Fetchling (+2 dex, +2 cha, -2 wis) [shadow magic, subtle manipulator, world walker]:
Jegan "Jiggy" Anto
Str 10, Dex 17, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 7, Cha 20.
Bastard son of the king of the realm and a fetchling emmisary, neither race wanted to claim him as their own. The captain of the king's guard was ordered to kill the infant, but he couldn't bring himself to do it. Instead the child was smuggled to another city where he was adopted by a wealthy family of gnomes. Despite the unknown nature of his magic, he was honored to be accepted into the clan of wizards that ran the city when he came of age. He later learned that this was actually a front for a guild of beguilers, but didn't mind as long as he still got paid. Friendly, sarcastic, calculating.
elusive wildling build - Kitsune (+2 dex, +2 cha, -2 str):
Cassandra Silvermane
Str 13, Dex 18, Con 10, Int 9, Wis 14, Cha 20.
Born to a xenophobic group of kitsune druids, she always thirsted to explore the world outside of her grove. She was excommunicated because of her curiosity and the strange magic that manifested within her. She survived in the wild along the outskirts of a small farming village, spying on the residents and learning their ways. Eventually she found a new home among a travelling band of druids who were willing to teach her how to blend in among humans. Adaptible, calm, kind.
As you can see we had a lot of fun just putting these characters together. We ran them at level one and then leveled them up to ten to run them through some more tests (our next session will be a level twenty one-off mission that should be a lot of fun). Here's a summary of our conclusions so far.
Skills: As expected, the class works well as a skill monkey. Tons of Int guaranteed this for all but our elusive wildling. Any obstacle that could be solved with a reasonable skill check (ex. no jumping across a 100 ft. gorge) were successful most of the time.
As I mentioned earlier, sometimes spells can get in the way of skill-based encounters. The biggest offenders were spider climb breaking climb checks and teleport spells breaking hazard crossings. The new teleport spell looks really great and steps on the chasm crossing issue; though it can still be used to break a grapple without an escape artist check if it's cast stilled.
Combat: The higher BAB definitely helped to make this class more capable in combat. When forced into straight combat (no magic), the beguilers weren't useless, but often had trouble with groups of martial opponents. Armor, weapon proficiency and better hit dice make the class more robust in straight combat than your typical arcane casters. Straight combat was still pretty difficult at level 1 when they were pitted against full BAB enemies.
Spells: The illusion/enchantment spell list is pretty fun at lower levels. I think my favorite move was when Mark decided to use silent image at level 1 to imitate a level 20 beguiler's aspect in order to intimidate a group of guards (this was in an area where beguilers were well known). While the spell list was still quite useful at level 10, but looking ahead we saw the high level spell list was a little lacking.
The two new spells you've done over the last few days ought to do a lot towards making that issue better. The invisibilty spell is definitely useful for all beguilers and offers tools not available elsewhere. It's an interesting choice not to have verbal components to the spell since it couldn't otherwise be silenced, but I think that might be a bit too advantageous. The modify memory spell is also pretty great (especially since modify memory is only available to theurgic brigands), but it still seems a little underwhelming to be its own spell at level 9: it doesn't add a whole lot of new functionality to modify memory other than the increased number of targets. I wonder if this might work better if modify memory was added to the beguiler spell list and a new metamagic feat was added that allowed an enchantment spell with one target to be applied to multiple targets for a +4 spell level bump. Just a thought.
Class features: cloaked/surprise casting and feinting are pretty effective and will only get more effective as feinting becomes a swift action and the save DCs are better.
Orders: The orders all have their strengths and weaknesses and actually seem pretty well balanced.
Arcane Hand: Loads of casting options with a pretty rich bonus spell list (arcane hand gave us the most trouble when it came to deciding which spells we wanted to add to our list because we wanted them all). We were using false theurgy for pretty much every cast to give decent protection from dispelling, though swift feinting might take a bite out of that. We went with a familiar at level 1 (a black cat) and it was a pretty nice thematic option for RP, but not quite as powerful as most of the other level 1 order powers.
Wandering Heart: We had a ball RPing a mousey, reluctant seductress with Ember. Charmed casting wasn't much use at level 1, but at level 10 it let us use silent or stilled spells liberally. Still seems a little disappointing not to be able to use the level 1 order power until level 5 without increasing casting time. Maybe a CL bump alongside the metamagic option would make this more interesting. Enchanted casting is great, combined with charmed casting we only really needed to put ranks in one perform (we chose dance) to disguise all her casts. I'm interested to see how beguiling aura is going to work out at level 20.
Baleful Shadow: This was quite a stand out in combat. The extra damage of the shadow strike (there's already a feat with this name, BTW, so you might want to figure out a new one to avoid confusion) was quite noticeable at low levels. Shadow evocation makes it even more dangerous at level 10 (which will only get better with shadow magic at level 13). We didn't use the entangle ability much, but it was pretty critical when we were fleeing from mercenaries through a busy city. Shadow weapon made for a great thematic ability, but I feel like this could be improved if somewhere along the line the spell had a longer duration (I'd love to have a baleful shadow that always used his shadow dagger).
Ghastly Claw: Crummy rolls hampered most of the paralysis options for the ghastly claw at level 1 as Mark said, but that's how the cookie crumbles for these kinds of powers for low level characters. It was a lot more useful at level 10 and the save was the only real decider on this one. I had gone into this playtest thinking that the save might be better replaced by a simple HD cap (ex. it only works on an enemy with HD less than or equal to your beguiler level), but during play the variability the save gave made it more interesting. Coup de grace as a standard action is a mean trick, but still had to be used pretty strategically and was often only used to drop the last foe in an encounter.
Theurgic Brigand: Plays very much like a rogue with a decent set of spells to aid him. Lots of decent options for talents, though fugitive's foresight stands out for the advanced talent to pick up at level 9. We built him as a ranged character so we could dump Str, though the low Wis we picked for him bit us a few times when he had to make will saves.
Elusive Wildling: Gina had a ton of fun with Cassandra. Just like with the pack lord druid, boon companion is a must have feat for this archetype. The companions can be pretty powerful if you design them right (at level 10 she had a level 10 badger, a level 4 eagle and all her nature's allies on top of them, all of which were vital in some of the grittier battles) Skills are where she fell a little short. Because she dumped int she was a lot more limited than I was expecting in this regard. That said, she works well in a group of beguilers who can cover up the skills she's lacking.
All in all, everything seems to have a bit of a handicap and a fairly decent set of advantages. I'm looking forward to seeing how we do with the high level adventure next time we get to play testing.
The modify memory spell is also pretty great (especially since modify memory is only available to theurgic brigands), but it still seems a little underwhelming to be its own spell at level 9: it doesn't add a whole lot of new functionality to modify memory other than the increased number of targets. I wonder if this might work better if modify memory was added to the beguiler spell list and a new metamagic feat was added that allowed an enchantment spell with one target to be applied to multiple targets for a +4 spell level bump. Just a thought.
I'm not so sure that's the right way to go with this. I like the spell, the fascination keeps people from walking out of range of the spell to break it (and fits really amusingly with the MIB imagery StealthDiabeetis used to describe the idea) which is a decent power-up. Turning it into a metamagic feat is problematic because you'd have to figure out which spells might be an issue when applied to multiple targets and there's also the issue of increased casting times that plagues spontaneous spellcasters. IMHO leaving Tyrone's Mind Eraser in its current form is the best idea.
Shadow weapon made for a great thematic ability, but I feel like this could be improved if somewhere along the line the spell had a longer duration (I'd love to have a baleful shadow that always used his shadow dagger).
That's a really cool idea, did it just come to you recently? You didn't mention it during the playtest. Are you thinking something like the magus' blackblade?
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If I may suggest a slight alteration, due to the existence of a current (if 3rd Party) similar spell and the modify memory spell itself:
School enchantment (compulsion) [mind-affecting]; Level beguiler 9
Targets one living creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 feet apart
This spell functions like mass modify memory, except as noted above and as follows. All targets of the spell who fail their Will saves become fascinated by the beguiler while she forms their new memories. She only requires 1 minute of concentration after the spell is cast to modify up to 10 minutes of the targets' memories, and can concentrate for up to 1 minute/2 caster levels (to a maximum of 10 minutes). Once the new memories are formed the targets' fascination is broken and the spell ends.
The reasons for these changes are:
1) It feels more like a ninth level spell
2) Being restricted to Beguiler's only means it's likely to be a bit more powerful - it's their own special "thing" that's just for them, after a fashion
3) Much like the original, it does several things other than increase the amount of targets that can be hit; however, I don't think that this is a breaking-level power. The fascination effect that was already there was a nice touch, true, but it didn't seem like a "seal the deal" so to speak and, by allowing for an increased concentration-time, you can imitate effects more along the lines of, say, the MIB.
4) The existence of a mass modify memory spell, even if third party, made it feel like the ante should be upped a bit.
5) (Unrelated): I do think that beguilers should get modify memory (and the mass version, if you're okay with allowing other third-party material).
As always, feel free to take or ignore whatever you like. :D
As far as the feat goes, I could see it as being a good idea, though not necessarily replacing Tyrone's Mind Eraser (either the original or my suggested tweaked one above).
Simply have the feat note that any spell that is a single-target spell with a range other than touch or personal has the target entry change to, "one target per caster level, so long as no two of the targets are more than 30 ft. apart." and requires a +4 on the level increase. This allows research of specific spells that go along similar lines, but be a bit easier to deal with (for various reasons) while also allowing a flexibility currently lacking.
Shadow weapon made for a great thematic ability, but I feel like this could be improved if somewhere along the line the spell had a longer duration (I'd love to have a baleful shadow that always used his shadow dagger).That's a really cool idea, did it just come to you recently? You didn't mention it during the playtest. Are you thinking something like the magus' blackblade?
I could have sworn I mentioned it during the playtest, but given the last week that may have been a fever dream :p I was thinking of something along the lines of making shadow weapon a cantrip or significantly increasing the duration of the spell at some point, but the black blade is an intriguing option. Here's a quick framework for a potential baleful shadow rebuild
- level 1 power remains the same
- level 7 power is replaced by the black blade at effective magus level beguiler-4. Beguiler doesn't get an arcane pool, but when casting shadow weapon the +1 (@level 5) and keen/frost/+2 (@level 10) enhancements are bestowed upon the black blade. The blade still gets its arcane pool for use in black blade strikes and the like. Since the beguiler doesn't have an arcane pool I'd give him spell defense instead of transfer arcana at level 17. As with shadow weapon, d6's are used for a shadow strike with a black blade.
- level 13 power gives some kind of bonus to shadow strikes with the black blade. I'd say make it a full-round action to prevent cheese (player has to decide whether he wants multiple attacks or one massive attack and can't use it to coup de grace). Something like d12 damage dice, or an automatic crit threat.
The loss of entangling darkness isn't too big of a loss (as I mentioned above it's very situationally useful). Shadow magic is a bigger loss, but I was honestly concerned that it might end up being overpowered (imagine casting chain lightning or delayed blast fireball at max level for 20d6+5d8 damage).
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I like this version of Tyrone's mind eraser. As you say, it's a more empowered version without going overboard.
Glad you like it! I've always loved the beguilers... and never had the chance to actually play them in real games. :/
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EDIT: I still play characters with mind-control... >:)
I also wanted to say, your formatting work is mind-blowingly well done. Absolutely fantastic. I really like what I've seen of your stuff so far. It looks an awful lot like I've always thought Beguilers should look. I'm one of those that mourns the skill-loss, but I'm not going to fight it, as it makes sense*, and adding. I did wanted to mention, that there is no way that Beguilers are better skill monkeys than standard bards, for the simple reason that versatile performance exists - with that one ability, a bard effectively gains two additional skills, or rather, they gain one more skill per skill-point spent; now, granted, they can only gain so many different skills**, and they gain them in lumps, and there is overlap on many of the different perform types, but they still can get up to effectively eight additional skills known (or, if you don't count their perform skill, up to four additional skills), if they're careful with their performance-type selection***. As the beguilers have nothing like that, they're not going to compete - I really doubt a beguiler is going to suddenly sprout a +16 increase to their intelligence (+18, really for perform, or, if you want to get really technical and include the four additional bard skills, +24) over a given bard. :)
THAT SAID, I'm not arguing for beguilers to gain more skill points (outside of the archetype; a great choice!), but rather just to explain that idea.
* For one, there are fewer skills now. For two, it differentiates a beguiler from a bard a bit more.
** Bluff, Disguise, Intimidate, Acrobatics, Fly, Diplomacy, Sense Motive, and Handle Animal, to be precise.
*** Specifically, if they choose Act (Bluff, Disguise), Dance (Acrobatics, Fly), Percussion (Handle Animal, Intimidate), and Oratory (Diplomacy, Sense Motive) they cover all of their possible skill sets, require absolutely nothing in terms of equipment ("percussion" can be done with rocks, sticks, hands, or anything else), and it's basically pure win. They do have to choose, however, at 2nd, 6th, and 10th; but by 14th, they've got all they need to: the 18th one is just kind of "meh", since they have all of their skills already.
That is an aspect I hadn't considered and it's certainly interesting. However, I had meant the baleful shadow and ghastly claw to be two sides of the same coin; both powerful combatants with the baleful shadow specializing in magic and the ghastly claw focusing on martial combat. I feel like this kind of change would bring them too close together.
I feel like the way the classes are now they both blend into a kind of sameyness. While you say ghastly claw is meant to be a martial power, their powers seem to build towards ranged paralysis with spectral hand and the spell kill ability: this feels more magic based than pure martial. By moving the baleful shadow towards a sneak attack-blackblade kind of progression they become the defacto martial power for beguilers.
Here's what I'm thinking as a potential rebuild for the baleful shadow:
- Level 1 - Now called wraith strike. Number of damage dice now increases every three levels instead of every four.
- Level 7 - As LT Silverstar suggested. Might move damage dice for black blade to d8s.
- Level 13 - I'm thinking about a deep bond forming between beguiler and black blade. The black blade's arcane pool is now determined be the best Int modifier between it and the beguiler. I'm considering a few options for new arcane pool abilities for the blade: 1) spend pool points to treat beguiler level as BAB for a round (good for extra attacks on full attack). 2) spend pool points to cast shadow conjuration or greater shadow conjuration as a spell like ability.
I'd be open to other suggestions here, too.
Ooo, nice ideas. Maybe the level 13 ability would allow the beguiler and the black blade to share a common arcane pool (that's why the pool size is determined by greatest int). Throw in a magus arcana from a fixed list at levels 13, 16 and 19. You could include the two you mention as well as any others you see fit from this list. You'd want to stick to arcanas that draw from the arcane pool and I'd probably steer clear of Ultimate Eldrich Athame and other arcanas that add specific abilities to the blade (keep that to the realm of the magus).
For the Theurgic Brigand ability Stolen Knowledge, can you attempt to fool more bards until you pass the bluff check or if you fail are you screwed?It's just one attempt (every four levels), however if you're keeping maximum ranks in Bluff and have at least 14 Cha it's impossible to fail the check at any level.
Are you sure your math is right? The hardest check to make will be a level 2 spell for a 4th level beguiler. The DC of the check is 12. The beguiler gets 4 ranks from max training, a +3 bonus from it being a class skill, at least +1 from the roll of the dice. In order to automatically pass the check, he'd need a +4 from cha to make the DC 12, which is 18 not 14.
Here's what I have for the reworked baleful shadow order:
** spoiler omitted **Are you sure your math is right? The hardest check to make will be a level 2 spell for a 4th level beguiler. The DC of the check is 12. The beguiler gets 4 ranks from max training, a +3 bonus from it being a class skill, at least +1 from the roll of the dice. In order to automatically pass the check, he'd need a +4 from cha to make the DC 12, which is 18 not 14.Streetwise gives a +2 bonus to Bluff at 4th level, that makes up the difference between 18 Cha (which is what I had originally come up with) and 14 Cha (which I edited in when I realized my mistake).
Good to know I'm not alone in forgetting about streetwise LOL. I wonder if Jiggy missed any saves because of that :P
The new baleful shadow looks really cool. We might have to rebuild Fidgit a little, but I don't think I could bear to change his race. A crazy little shadow bastard with a black blade will be hilarious.
Also since you've taken out entangling shadow, the drow favored class bonus will have to be reworked, just in case you forgot.
OMGOMGOMG you named the invisibility spell after Fidgit! That's so cool! (You may have guessed that he was my favorite of these characters).
While looking at how to rebuild Fidgit I did realize something about the black blade. By the rules layed out in UM the black blade has to be a one handed slashing weapon (none on the beguiler proficiency list) or a rapier or a sword cane (not on the beguiler proficiency list), so the only real option for a balefule shadow is a rapier. Would it be possible to either include all categories of melee weapons and/or possibly give the beguiler proficiency with whichever weapon he picks?
Here's what I came up with for the Black Blade ability (changes highlighted in ):
** spoiler omitted **I've also added a new beguiling trick:
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Those are both great changes. Fidgit is going to kick all sorts of ass with his intelligent longsword that's nearly as crazy as he is!
I have a question about feats for baleful shadows. They have a lot of class features that draw off of other classes, namely the rogue's sneak attack and magus's black blade, arcana and arcane pools. Will feats designed to augment these abilities (like extra arcana and extra arcane pool) be able to work with the baleful shadow's order powers? Come to think of it, does the fact that the beguiler eventually gets an arcane pool allow her to use arcane pool points to enhance his weapon like a magus?
I have a question about feats for baleful shadows. They have a lot of class features that draw off of other classes, namely the rogue's sneak attack and magus's black blade, arcana and arcane pools. Will feats designed to augment these abilities (like extra arcana and extra arcane pool) be able to work with the baleful shadow's order powers? Come to think of it, does the fact that the beguiler eventually gets an arcane pool allow her to use arcane pool points to enhance his weapon like a magus?The basis I work with depends on the name of the class feature. Wraith strike is distinct from sneak attack despite similarity in function, so those feats would not apply to that ability. Likewise beguiling tricks are distinct from arcana despite overlap between the two. Extra arcane pool is a bit of a question mark, I'll have to think about that and maybe put in a clarification. The arcane pool does work differently from the magus, so it doesn't automatically pick up the enhancement functionality (the black blade itself has an ability that mirrors this, too).
Thanks for the clarification.
Woah, lots of new toys to play with! The new weapons are very cool. They give a really neat progression of stealthier to more obvious (boot>knee>wrist) that is opposed by how difficult it is to trigger and reset and how dangerous they are. You might consider adding a masterwork version of the wrist spring that can be built into armor like the knee blade and can accept a short sword instead of a dagger.
Shatterglass sounds absolutely beastly. I feel like the craft DC ought to be higher though. Your description seems to highlite how difficult it is to make, a DC 30 might be better for it. How does magical healing interact with the blindness (since a heal check cures it)?
I'm not sold on bottled invisibility, especially since the price is identical to a potion of invisibility which provides better cover.
The feats are decent. Artful misdirection and shrewd tactics are definitely must haves for any combat-focused beguiler. Master improviser really only useful in rare situations where you're without your tools. Studied metafocus seems decent for any beguiler, but I'd probably only want to take it once or twice for key spells (haste and mirror image).
The new spell is really neat. It helps to build up the mirror image spell which is vitally important to any beguiler wandering into combat without making it overpowered. Like the mass enchantment we discussed earlier, this could probably be turned into a unique metamagic feat.
I've updated the links above with the changes Penumbral Shadow suggested. I've also added two new metamagic feats (mass enchantment and multiplying illusion).
I'm with Penumbral Shadow on Master Improviser. I feel like as a feat it could be stronger. Maybe it could also apply to Artisan's Tools for Craft checks? I think that's the only other thing that requires tools to avoid a penalty. I still probably wouldn't take it, but it might give a little more MacGyver flavor to a character.I've altered master improviser a little to try to increase its utility. Now it also allows you to try to open a lock with a swift action by hitting it with the pommel of your weapon. Hopefully this gives it a little more power (letting you pop locks when under pressure).
Also would the archetypes be able to substitute Charisma for Shrewd Tactics?No they wouldn't, they only get to substitute Cha for casting purposes. Shrewd tactics represents careful study of the battlefield to gain advantage which falls under the auspices of Int (though an argument could also be made for Wis like the inquisitor's cunning initiative class feature).
The masterwork wrist spring is great. I was originally thinking it would work better as a weapon like the knee blade, but I like what you've done with it since it means the beguiler could keep fighting with the sword after it gets triggered.
The edits to bottled invisibility also give it a quite a bit more utility but (since you added the bit about scent) you might want to add a bonus to the DC of tracking using scent too.
I like the new metamagic feats, I think they'll work well with the existing spells. The upgrade for master improviser does power it up, I probably still wouldn't take it, but it leaves a neat option for lockpicking specialists.
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I'd be weary of something like shatterglass not giving a save. Even if it were a fort save with a 20 or 25 DC, it should offer a chance to avoid the blinding effect. Otherwise it outshines a wide number of other items or spells with significantly greater cost.
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Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! I have been looking off and on for years for a decent conversion for the beguiler and I just hit the mother load! It has been so frustrating to dig through uninspired conversion threads and find nothing but garbage. They're all full of people saying that beguilers can just be brought into pathfinder while wizards who can trounce a beguiler at pretty much everything in the game are getting bonuses from arcane schools and sorcerers who aren't far behind the wizards get awesome bloodline powers. FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO GETS IT! Somebody who is willing to give the beguiler some special sauce to make them as interesting as paizo's classes and to keep their power level up there.
I've been through so many other conversions and you are hitting all the marks they're missing. Thing's like Kirth's beguiler bloodline for sorcerers and the sandman bard completely miss the point of the beguiler being its own thing. Kirth's beguiler is too susceptible to just getting all the cool arcane toys that high level sorcerers and ignoring the beguiler's strong focus on illusion and charm and the skilled side of the beguiler. The sandman bard manages the skill monkey and lives as a spiritual successor to the beguiler, but doesn't carry the same magical power since it's only a half caster class. Other conversions the "beguiler to psychic warrior" attempt are just bland and uninspired, doing nothing but increasing the beguiler's save dc. This conversion finally gives me something I can sink my teeth into! New powers that both increase the abilities of the beguiler and give him entry into new realms of the game (alot of the beguiler's abilities try to lull you into close combat but it was almost always certain death for the old beguiler, this beguiler could definitely manage in close combat). This is what I've wanted for a long time. I'm so excited, I'll finally be able to play an asskicking beguiler again! Thank you, so much this is awesome work!
Any plans to convert the Warmage or Dread Necro? I really like your Beguiler and would love to see the other two converted.
Just a thought! lol. Either way I really like your work. Thank you. I will certainly be using this for my future games.