What is this AM BARBARIAN thing?


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Hello, me stupeid.

No really, what is this AM BARBARIAN thing? I don't get it. And now that Advanced Class Guide Playtest is up, there also seems to be AM BLOODRAGER et al in the Bloodrager comment thread.

Could someone please shed some light on this? The original AM BARBARIAN maybe?


AM NOT HAVE SEEN AM BARBARIAN IN LONG TIME. HE AM BARBARIAN BUILT TO CREATE JUXTAPOSITION BETWEEN CASTIES AND WEAPON USERS. HE RIDES GREAT POWEFUL BATTY BAT INTO COMBAT SWOOPING IN TO DELIVER HIS PATENTED, THOUGH POSSIBLY SOMEWHAT NERFED, RAGELANCEPOUNCE.


AM BEASTMORPH SKIRMISHER wrote:
AM NOT HAVE SEEN AM BARBARIAN IN LONG TIME. HE AM BARBARIAN BUILT TO CREATE JUXTAPOSITION BETWEEN CASTIES AND WEAPON USERS. HE RIDES GREAT POWEFUL BATTY BAT INTO COMBAT SWOOPING IN TO DELIVER HIS PATENTED, THOUGH POSSIBLY SOMEWHAT NERFED, RAGELANCEPOUNCE.

I recently played with this cavalier guy. He was a one trick pony who could dish out something like 40-60 points of damage when charging with his lance while riding his horseback. Can this RAGELANCEPOUNCE do as much damage?


AM = Anti-Magic

People have made the AM Barbarian build into a running joke over the years, poking fun at the intelligence dump.


hargoyle wrote:
I recently played with this cavalier guy. He was a one trick pony who could dish out something like 40-60 points of damage when charging with his lance while riding his horseback. Can this RAGELANCEPOUNCE do as much damage?

Slightly more than 40-60. It used barbarian pounce ability to combine a full attack with the multiplied damage of a lance charge, giving something like +47/47/42/37/32 and 3d8+168 per hit.

I believe FAQs now disallow this technique.


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n00bxqb wrote:

AM = Anti-Magic

People have made the AM Barbarian build into a running joke over the years, poking fun at the intelligence dump.

Well that explains it! I thought that AM BARBARIAN just wants to constantly clarify to all that he actually is a barbarian. To himself also, so that he doesn't forget. Because of the INT dump.


Matthew Downie wrote:
hargoyle wrote:
I recently played with this cavalier guy. He was a one trick pony who could dish out something like 40-60 points of damage when charging with his lance while riding his horseback. Can this RAGELANCEPOUNCE do as much damage?

Slightly more than 40-60. It used barbarian pounce ability to combine a full attack with the multiplied damage of a lance charge, giving something like +47/47/42/37/32 and 3d8+168 per hit.

I believe FAQs now disallow this technique.

Ouch. Just.. ouch.

And here I thought that my 5th level ninja could do tremendous amount of damage while wielding his katana two-handed (1d8+6+possible sneak). But what the hell, he died last night anyway so might as well roll up AM BARBARIAN. Or AM BLOODRAGER even!


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AM BARBARIAN is the name of a character/build. AM doesn't stand for anti magic but it's a pretty commonly held belief. AM BARBARIAN was made as an example that a high level martial character could compete with casters. The fact that a number of posters presented caster builds they thought could take down the character probably added to the whole anti magic thing. The character proved to be quite difficult to take down and the most effective and probably only sure method I saw presented involved multiple simulacrum of a diviner wizard and using wish to cast a no save SOD. AM could probably have dealt with this too if his gear was changed but the point was to present a fairly static build that didn't need to be remade to deal with different threats. A number of people also posted builds of other martial classes designed to "beat" the barbarian though I did not follow those posts as closely.

The original poster of the build would type in character using caps lock and poor grammar. RAGELANCEPOUNCE was his main tactic, hitting multiple times on a charge for high multiplied damage, the developers responded with errata making it so that a rider does not count as charging and a lance only does multiple damage on the first hit because this tactic was deemed too powerful. The build also had high saves versus spells, a dragon mount that constantly moved to avoid scrying, and an endless supply of rage.


And also he had a PhD in engineering.


That he does. Mostly to collapse wizards towers on top of their occupants (identify weak points in the structure, RAGELANCEPOUNCESUNDER those) when they hide from him and batty bat in them.


But really, retelling that period/event afterwards sounds a bit like a bad meta joke. One should really read the threads in which he appeared, theyre hilarious.


Last time I read Am Barbarian, it wasn't a dragon he rode.
He took Leadership, and got a synthesist summoner as a cohort who was designed to fly at "Ludicrous Speed", With unmatched perception. So he had a charge range measured in miles and a perception that could see a flea on a dogs butt from 50 miles out.

It was an awesome excercise in breaking ... no... obliterating the game.


The Poshment wrote:

Last time I read Am Barbarian, it wasn't a dragon he rode.

He took Leadership, and got a synthesist summoner as a cohort who was designed to fly at "Ludicrous Speed", With unmatched perception. So he had a charge range measured in miles and a perception that could see a flea on a dogs butt from 50 miles out.

It was an awesome excercise in breaking ... no... obliterating the game.

AFAIK, it was Batty Bat, a young red dragon companion from leadership (IIRC, he decided not to use a synthesist since it seemed a little bit too abusive).

Though of course, the perception thingy really depends on how RAW you go. If you go by strict RAW, he probably couldn't see the tarrasque at 500ft - but then again, neither could a wizard.


The Poshment wrote:

Last time I read Am Barbarian, it wasn't a dragon he rode.

He took Leadership, and got a synthesist summoner as a cohort who was designed to fly at "Ludicrous Speed", With unmatched perception. So he had a charge range measured in miles and a perception that could see a flea on a dogs butt from 50 miles out.

It was an awesome excercise in breaking ... no... obliterating the game.

I do wonder, is there any Archetype that grants Ludicrous Speed? If not, that has to be made up. I want to spread plaid behind me NOW!!!


And now that the subject is at hand, are there any other running gags I should be aware of? No, I obviously don't know any..


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hargoyle wrote:
...are there any other running gags I should be aware of?

The Rogue?

*Runs* I REGRET NOTHING!


It should be noted that while there where approximations of ability, there where never a finished build - due partly to the inventor saying "when at least one of those god wizard proponents posts an actual build, I will" (paraphrasing, not actual quote). And it seems no wizard ever did - it was all Shroedinger's Wizards all the way (hence the name of AM's lance - "Observed State").

Here's a thread about some of it:
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