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Weapon Proficiency
A pistolero only gains proficiency with one-handed firearms. She must take Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm) to gain proficiency with two-handed firearms and firearm siege engines.
This means they are only proficient with with one-handed firearms and nothing else.
Is this intentional, or an oversight?
He is pointing out that vanilla gunslinger gets simple and martial proficiency as well. Probably just an oversight.
Yeah, we've never played it that way.
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The way that the passage is phrased, I believe it's indicating that the pistolero only gains firearms proficiency with pistols - not that it is removing all proficiency save for pistols.
The way that the passage is phrased, I believe it's indicating that the pistolero only gains firearms proficiency with pistols - not that it is removing all proficiency save for pistols.It does say While most gunslingers have favorite firearms, there are those rare ones who choose to specialize in one-handed firearms exclusively. The "exclusively" at the end seems to confirm the RAW.
So long as my pistolero gets to stack gun training and pistol training, okay. : D
I think that it's ambiguously-worded and that the RAI does not intend to take away the other proficiencies - but having said that I must admit that comparing it against the Musket Master archetype for the Cavalier, strict RAW would imply that they only gain Firearm (Pistol).
Clicking FAQ on this one.
Out of curiosity, is there any other class or archetype that isn't proficient with the club?
Oh yeah, that one! Thematically awesome, but somewhat lackluster early on without burning feats on Catch Off-Guard and Throw Anything. At least he can still flurry.
Well it isn't a problem because a pistolero gets pistol training on top of gun training, so gets to add DEX twice to damage rolls at level 5, doing more damage than anyone else. Sure RAI is different but that's what is written. Plus you can always hit someone with a pistol for as much damage as a dagger anyway.
Exept bonuses from similar source dont stack.
Out of curiosity, is there any other class or archetype that isn't proficient with the club?
Unarmed Fighter. Seriously, fighter that is not proficient in simple weapons? Obviously not intention.
So long as my pistolero gets to stack gun training and pistol training, okay. : D
You don't.
Double-application of the same ability score doesn't stack.
from different sources it doesCorrect, but the assertion is that Dex or Int is the same source and therefore wouldn't stack with itself.
The ability score is the destination or the recipient, not the source. The source is the power\feat\class feature that's granting the bonus. In this case, the granted bonus is untyped, so since they're from different sources, by RAW they should stack.
The long and short of it is that, like many UC archetypes, RAW is hastily-written and error prone. If you stick to strict RAW, you have a gunslinger who can't swing a freaking club without going "LOL WHICH END GOES WHERE" and and has both pistol training and an ability that anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows was intended to be replaced by pistol training. So use your judgment as to how to adjudicate the situation.
Specific overrides general. Or like a lot of things you can apply common sense. In the case of the ops thread assume the only thing being modified is his firearms proficiency.
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Correct, but the assertion is that Dex or Int is the same source and therefore wouldn't stack with itself.
The ability score is the destination or the recipient, not the source. The source is the power\feat\class feature that's granting the bonus. In this case, the granted bonus is untyped, so since they're from different sources, by RAW they should stack.
James Jacobs disagrees with you on that one.
JJ rules as a GM, not a rules designer. He's often right, of course. Anyway, different thread topic.