RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16
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A guy playing double agent, while remaining true to S.H.I.E.L.D. in his heart, isn't all that interesting. There might well be some good stories to tell with him, but they wouldn't be good stories because of the character.
A heel-turn by a guy who now has total dedication to HYDRA isn't all that interesting, either.
A former member of Coulson's team, conflicted in his loyalties, would be an interesting antagonist for several seasons.
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Also, May's revelations are a bigger deal than people are mentioning. She wasn't a PTSD desk jockey at all. She had Director Fury's personal ear, when no-one else in S.H.I.E.L.D. could even find him.
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You know, I was thinking about the Big Twist at the end of this episode, and something interesting occurred to me.
In the Lorelei episode, when she was mind controlling Word, and he was willing to do ANYTHING to help her evade Sif and rule the world or whatever, he didn't once mention the super powerful, secret organization he is part of - Hydra could have been HUGE potential allies with Lorelei, and their interests even mash well with hers (they can use her as a puppet ruler to the world). They even have a man she could never control (Zola) and potentially women in their leadership, so no great need to worry about it.
So, logically, if Word would have been working with Hydra at the time he was taken by the Enchantress, he would have offered to contact her with Hydra. So either the writers didn't think about that (this, unfortunately, is the likeliest option) or he wasn't yet aware of Hydra.
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There's no evidence that says that he didn't contact his HYDRA superiors, and they decided that it wasn't within their victory parameters to ally with a rogue Asgardian. Keep in mind HYDRA's plan as detailed in the Captain America movie. They'd already tried supporting a dictator and ruling from behind the scenes, and they learned that people will fight for their freedoms when they're directly challenged. They shifted gears, and shaped the century so people would be so frightened of what's to come that they'd hand their freedoms away. Not only would they be shifting away from their endgame that they'd had in place for seventy years by allying with her, they'd out themselves and would be pot committed to Lorelei's victory. The Avengers proved enough to stop an alien invasion led by an Asgardian. Do you think it's possible they'd lose to a terrestrial army led by a weaker one? Besides, if their endgame goes according to plan - and there was no reason it wouldn't at the time - they have uncontested control of Earth. Lorelei's an unpredictable element, so it's best not to have her in the equation.
Could be he recognized that Hydra would see her as a threat. Think about it. Here is a woman who can mind control most men on sight and take over the strong willed ones by touch.
How many Hydra top brass were going to say "Yeah I'd like that near me and mingling with my troops"
They would lock her in a deep dark hole while female scientists took her apart until they figured out how she controls people and then they would kill her.He probably kept her away from them because he knew they would be a threat to her and she wasn't in a position yet to fight them. Once she had an army backing her he might well have told her "oh by the way, there is also this group of guys I work for who you could take over as well."
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Impossible. He's not smart enough to be a single agent, let alone a tripe one.
I am a bad person.
I saw the movie today - after seeing this week's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..
No matter. It was still Amazing.
It was amazing. It all falls into place so well.
So well that watching Captain America and S.H.I.E.L.D. in the wrong order doesn't do any harm. :)
Would it be possible that those who have seen the movie identify their spoilers as being about the movie, please? I know I'm already somewhat spoiled because I'm watching Agents but I would like there to be some surprises when I eventually see the movie.
(It's like the Game of Thrones thread all over again...)
Speculation: is Antoine Triplett going to replace Grant Ward as the team's muscle?
Speculation: is Antoine Triplett going to replace Grant Ward as the team's muscle?
!/3 are minorities. Asian.
!/3 are minorities. Asian.Speculation: is Antoine Triplett going to replace Grant Ward as the team's muscle?
Correct. However, adding a black or hispanic team member would still be a good thing.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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1/3rd? More like 1/6th (Coulson, Ward, May, Skye, Fitz, Simmons).
Fixed that for you.
1/3rd? More like 1/6th (Coulson, Ward, May, Skye, Fitz, Simmons).Chloe Bennett (Skye) is half Chinese. Considering Skye was found in China as a baby, I'd assume the character is half Chinese as well.
Just being a math nerd...2 out of 6 IS 1/3.
Back to the subject at hand:
I want to see what happens next episode. Colson's team has no clue of Ward's treachery.
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RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6, Contributor
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I'm actually more annoyed by absurdly pretty casting (male and female) than an overly homogeneous primary cast, but both interfere with my enjoyment of story. Overly pretty casting tends to come at the extent of acting chops, too, hence Skye and Ward and the whole they-can't-act-out-of-a-paper-bag issue. Those issues run epidemic in American television.
Scripts have definitely improve the past few weeks.
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I think we have a pretty good reason that SHIELD has always denied to possibility of psychics. It would not be in the interest of such a wide-spread and deep undercover infiltration as HYDRA to get their host agency all interested in 184's who could read peoples' minds.
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I'm actually more annoyed by absurdly pretty casting (male and female) than an overly homogeneous primary cast, but both interfere with my enjoyment of story. Overly pretty casting tends to come at the extent of acting chops, too, hence Skye and Ward and the whole they-can't-act-out-of-a-paper-bag issue. Those issues run epidemic in American television.
Scripts have definitely improve the past few weeks.
Wouldn't "absurdly pretty casting (male and female)" be consistent with the idealistic representation of humanity that comics offer? I mean, how many plain-looking superheroes can you name?
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Back to the subject at hand:
I want to see what happens next episode. Colson's team has no clue of Ward's treachery.
some interviews on the interwebs suggest that Ward is now a recurring HYDRA villain... so I don't think the Son of Coul anticipated that one... (although the interview mentions that the actor who plays Ward was called in a secret meeting in a room full of writers... he feared his character's death greatly on that day.... so it's not unfathomable that the writers could setup another such ambush-meeting in the future and break it to him that he's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! as a SHIELD agent... ;) )
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I think we have a pretty good reason that SHIELD has always denied to possibility of psychics. It would not be in the interest of such a wide-spread and deep undercover infiltration as HYDRA to get their host agency all interested in 184's who could read peoples' minds.
BINGO! SHIELD's next move should/will probably include the recruitment of a telepath...
I'm actually more annoyed by absurdly pretty casting (male and female) than an overly homogeneous primary cast, but both interfere with my enjoyment of story. Overly pretty casting tends to come at the extent of acting chops, too, hence Skye and Ward and the whole they-can't-act-out-of-a-paper-bag issue. Those issues run epidemic in American television.
Scripts have definitely improve the past few weeks.
Coulson & Fitz are absurdly pretty? May is OK if you like that type, and I don't think Skye is anywhere near as HAWT!!! as they are making her out to be.
So, wrong again.
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RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6, Contributor
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Coulson & Fitz are absurdly pretty? May is OK if you like that type, and I don't think Skye is anywhere near as HAWT!!! as they are making her out to be.
So, wrong again.
That sort of comment sort of goes to the lopsided standards of appearance propagated by American media. Watch BBC for a while, particularly the ones not aimed at US audiences. And enjoy your heavily processed people on US TV :)
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RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6, Contributor
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Wouldn't "absurdly pretty casting (male and female)" be consistent with the idealistic representation of humanity that comics offer? I mean, how many plain-looking superheroes can you name?
The ever-escalating misogyny of comic book art had as much as the overly angsty plotlines and incessant retcons for why I ditched comic books in the early 90s. Thankfully, the Marvel Cinematic Universe avoids a lot of the angst and is too young for many retcons. And they apparently recognize they can't re-fit their actresses with boobs the size of their heads, or make the majority walk around in lingerie.
Coulson & Fitz are absurdly pretty? May is OK if you like that type, and I don't think Skye is anywhere near as HAWT!!! as they are making her out to be.So, wrong again.
That sort of comment sort of goes to the lopsided standards of appearance propagated by American media. Watch BBC for a while, particularly the ones not aimed at US audiences. And enjoy your heavily processed people on US TV :)
I do watch quite a bit of BBC and I don't see what you see apparently... I also watch quite a few foreign films and I don't see the differences (other than varying cultures versions of "pretty"). I think visual media world wide tends to use people who are more attractive than average with different shows varying by genre / intent. But then my mother was a subject of the U.K. and my father's American. Maybe I'm hopelessly muddled...
That sort of comment sort of goes to the lopsided standards of appearance propagated by American media. Watch BBC for a while, particularly the ones not aimed at US audiences. And enjoy your heavily processed people on US TV :)Coulson & Fitz are absurdly pretty? May is OK if you like that type, and I don't think Skye is anywhere near as HAWT!!! as they are making her out to be.
So, wrong again.
I do, and in fact I own several full sets on DVD. I don't find Coulson or Fitz to be absurdly pretty.
I am watching Foyles War right now, in fact. DCS Foyle is about as handsome as Coulson, Sam as good looking as Simmons, and Andrew is definitely a handsome fellow, about as good as Ward.
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I'm actually more annoyed by absurdly pretty casting (male and female) than an overly homogeneous primary cast, but both interfere with my enjoyment of story. Overly pretty casting tends to come at the extent of acting chops, too, hence Skye and Ward and the whole they-can't-act-out-of-a-paper-bag issue. Those issues run epidemic in American television.
Scripts have definitely improve the past few weeks.
Coulson & Fitz are absurdly pretty? May is OK if you like that type, and I don't think Skye is anywhere near as HAWT!!! as they are making her out to be.
So, wrong again.
Actually, by TV standard, they are not making Skye out to be HAWT!!! at all. It's something I noticed while watching the show - after the pilot episode, Skye is mostly wearing pijama equivalents - very homey, modest, comfortable cloths. The kind of style a human wears, nothing like what the "pretty girl" type usually wears in TV (and action TV specifically - no running around on high heels with a revealing dress).
The show HAS been very restrained with the good-looking factor. While everyone in the cast is at the very least uncommonly handsome, and I'm sure they all get long make-up sessions perfecting them before every scene, none of them have absurd good looks, and the women get to wear comfortable cloths and behave like humans. I like that about the show.
Know what's interesting.... Coulson and crew are now entering Skye's world. The erased existence, the need to keep mobile and hidden. This is where Skye was when they found her and now they need her to bring them into that secret subversive activist life she used to have.
and damn I am gnashing my teeth watching Ward play them. No sooner do they finally get some ground under their feet and their trust in Ward takes it away without them even realizing it.