It seems like every magical item requires you to learn a specific spell in order for you to make it. This seems fishy because those spells aren't widely available to classes other than the wizard or sorcerer. But, i do remember one of my friends telling me about a spell that you could learn that would count as the required spell for the purpose of creating the item. Is this true? What is it, and where do i find it?
In PFRPG one does not need to meet all the prerequisites to create any particular item, and doing so will increase the Spellcraft DC of the item by +5.
I can't think of any particular spell that replicates another spell specifically for crafting, but the Half Elf only Paragon Surge spell allows access to Expanded Arcana and thus can be abused to "learn" any spell.
master_marshmallow wrote: I can't think of any particular spell that replicates another spell specifically for crafting, but the Half Elf only Paragon Surge spell allows access to Expanded Arcana and thus can be abused to "learn" any spell. Um, what?
paragon surge spell
Expanded Arcana feat
I don't see what these have to do with each other?
Paragon surge lets you get a bonus feat.
For the duration of the spell, you receive a +2 enhancement bonus to Dexterity and Intelligence and are treated as if you possessed any one feat for which you meet the prerequisites, chosen when you cast this spell.
At least as long as the spell is in effect. You could pick Expanded Arcana, and learn a new spell that way. I don't know how useful that is for crafting, as it doesn't let you learn the new spell permanently. Only while Paragon Surge is active. Once it drops, you lose the feat, and the new spell.
It also has to be a spell from your class list and one you could already know and cast. You'd be better off to get scrolls.
As a GM would you allow it? Especially considering the line, "Once made, these choices cannot be changed."
It's legal, per RAW, for the crafting the player need only cast Paragon Surge Everyday in order to cast the prerequisite spell that they are missing.
Speaker for the Dead wrote: It also has to be a spell from your class list and one you could already know and cast. You'd be better off to get scrolls.
As a GM would you allow it? Especially considering the line, "Once made, these choices cannot be changed."
The loop hole I see, is that yes the spells are only chosen once, But the feat can be taken multiple times. So the real question is, do you choose the two spells with paragon surge and gain those two each time you use paragon surge, or can you get "different expanded arcanas" when you use paragon surge?
master_marshmallow wrote: In PFRPG one does not need to meet all the prerequisites to create any particular item, and doing so will increase the Spellcraft DC of the item by +5.
I can't think of any particular spell that replicates another spell specifically for crafting, but the Half Elf only Paragon Surge spell allows access to Expanded Arcana and thus can be abused to "learn" any spell.
Not only that, but it's +5 DC for each requirement you do not meet (for instance if you don't have either of 2 spells an item requires it'd be +10), and this skip-requirement option is only allowed when crafting items which are not spell completion or spell trigger items (including staves, and hence presumably things like ring of invisibility as well?).
Shinigami21XX wrote: Speaker for the Dead wrote: It also has to be a spell from your class list and one you could already know and cast. You'd be better off to get scrolls.
As a GM would you allow it? Especially considering the line, "Once made, these choices cannot be changed."
The loop hole I see, is that yes the spells are only chosen once, But the feat can be taken multiple times. So the real question is, do you choose the two spells with paragon surge and gain those two each time you use paragon surge, or can you get "different expanded arcanas" when you use paragon surge? Considering the feat is lost once the spell ends, you could choose the same spell over and over again, since it's like you never had the feat before the spell is cast.
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