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Are we talking in game here, cause if I'm wearing Spandex you best believe there's going to be interpretive dancing involved :-)
Seems kind of messy, are we to bring our own chair covers if we show up body painted :-)
I like wizards in robes casting spells. If you want to use "psionic" powers, I will require your character to wear tight spandex at all times
see I don't get this to me magic / Psionics same thing no real difference. magic in fantasy to me is science since it has its own rules and stuff that have to be followed. No mater how much people try to tell me I see now real reason besides fluff to not allow psionics and magic to coexist. Same goes with tech and magic I can't understand why not to allow this to happen. its the same thing to me and all of my friends, we always allow psionic and magic powers in our games. Maybe not tech if we are running a medieval game but once we go into western or modern no problem to have robots that sling spells they are just constructs. I mean even dnd have that robot race and fluff it as magic but its simply tech lol.
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New confession: I find anyone who says something along the lines of "I wish I could slap people who don't agree with me" to be childish to the highest degree. Even when it's said in jest.
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Don't really know if this is something people like but...
I hate monster races (Kobolds, Centraurs etc) as player characters.
You monster, Centraurs are my favorite.
While I've never had any interest in playing a character with psionics before, it's beginning to sound a lot more appealing...
yes open your mind ^j^
While I've never had any interest in playing a character with psionics before, it's beginning to sound a lot more appealing...It's really nice at mid to higher levels, because you can dial up or down the amount of power you want to spend, controlling how quickly you burn it away.
Psionic casters get less overall magical stamina [and fewer powers compared to spells] than Standard Spellcasters, but they're definitely fun.
Well this is debatable. If you don't count all the low level spells of the caster which don't really have much combat usefulness at higher levels then the two have about the same stamina give or take specific situations.
You monster, Centraurs are my favorite.Don't really know if this is something people like but...
I hate monster races (Kobolds, Centraurs etc) as player characters.
CentRAWRs. I want that to be a monster now.
Well this is debatable. If you don't count all the low level spells of the caster which don't really have much combat usefulness at higher levels then the two have about the same stamina give or take specific situations.While I've never had any interest in playing a character with psionics before, it's beginning to sound a lot more appealing...It's really nice at mid to higher levels, because you can dial up or down the amount of power you want to spend, controlling how quickly you burn it away.
Psionic casters get less overall magical stamina [and fewer powers compared to spells] than Standard Spellcasters, but they're definitely fun.
Low level spells get used in combat all the time, and not just used at low levels. It depends largely on the spell and how it's used. Haste, glitterdust, displacement, enlarge person, fly all spells that remain useful throughout your entire career as wizard.
Sure, they may not be as potent as a mass suffocation or even a blasting spell like chain lightning but they have their uses.
Besides, the other issue is that many psionic powers that are supposed to be the equivalent to a spell are often weaker than the spell itself. This is inherent to the powers, because they are also, often, mutable. Like being able to change the energy type of a blast, for example.
Also, if anyone wants to continue this debate, we should take it to another thread. Psionic debates are not unlike Paladin Threads, Alignment Thread, or Monk/Rogue Sucks Threads.
CentRAWRs. I want that to be a monster now.You monster, Centraurs are my favorite.Don't really know if this is something people like but...
I hate monster races (Kobolds, Centraurs etc) as player characters.
You're a Kobold so... you're already in the bestiary.
You're a Kobold so... you're already in the bestiary.CentRAWRs. I want that to be a monster now.You monster, Centraurs are my favorite.Don't really know if this is something people like but...
I hate monster races (Kobolds, Centraurs etc) as player characters.
Yes, but it is understandable how he could have envy, being such an inferior monster and all.
Vendor - Fantasiapelit Tampere
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CentRAWRs. I want that to be a monster now.You monster, Centraurs are my favorite.Don't really know if this is something people like but...
I hate monster races (Kobolds, Centraurs etc) as player characters.
Another confession: I'm horrible at seeing typos. But at least it was a funny typo.
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I like to play martial characters.
I have no problem with stores selling magic items.
I love combat and role play equally.It's like a trifecta of scorn...
I apologize for coming to the party late but I just found this thread. AD: I concur with your viewpoints and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Also, I like Teamwork feats in PF. I like not only what they do, but I like that they MAKE the players work as a team.
RPGs are collaborative experiences, in my opinion. Why then do SO many of my players try to "win" but optimizing their characters so extremely that there's no fight they can't solo?
Finally... I freaking LOVE Downtime. LOVE it. I could spend entire game sessions building strongholds, making magic items, talking to NPCs etc. The games for me are NOT just a series of fights leading to an epic finish.
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ok time for the big one......I...I hate the elf race every thing about them...a bunch of pretentious stuck up jerks just because they have a long life they think their better than everyone else I HATE them...I should not have said that...there is one right behind me isn't there...well I stand by it ^_^
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ok time for the big one......I...I hate the elf race every thing about them...a bunch of pretentious stuck up jerks just because they have a long life they think their better than everyone else I HATE them...I should not have said that...there is one right behind me isn't there...well I stand by it ^_^
It's because they're prettier than you, isn't it?
ok time for the big one......I...I hate the elf race every thing about them...a bunch of pretentious stuck up jerks just because they have a long life they think their better than everyone else I HATE them...I should not have said that...there is one right behind me isn't there...well I stand by it ^_^It's because they're prettier than you, isn't it?
Probably true both ways. I mean look at how many Blood Elves are in WoW despite it being a mechanically inferior race. They look awesome and who doesn't want to look awesome... Riuk being one of the exceptions. Poor Riuk.
ok time for the big one......I...I hate the elf race every thing about them...a bunch of pretentious stuck up jerks just because they have a long life they think their better than everyone else I HATE them...I should not have said that...there is one right behind me isn't there...well I stand by it ^_^It's because they're prettier than you, isn't it?Probably true both ways. I mean look at how many Blood Elves are in WoW despite it being a mechanically inferior race. They look awesome and who doesn't want to look awesome... Riuk being one of the exceptions. Poor Riuk.
See there is two of them right there dam them...I now I don't look good dose it make you feel better about yourself to say it >>>Sob<<<
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Took another look at the Gunslinger. Still don't like it.
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I have entirely too many aliases, or not enough, depending on who you ask (oh oh pick me!)
I have entirely too many aliases, or not enough, depending on who you ask (oh oh pick me!)
So, asking anyone other than Captain Yesterday or one of his aliases, does he possess too many aliases, or not enough?
I don't get all these people recording their gaming sessions and sticking them on Youtube, or even podcasts...
I like wizards in robes casting spells. If you want to use "psionic" powers, I will require your character to wear tight spandex at all times
or have a big bald head. You could wear a turban with a jewel and feather over your forehead. :)
With Leveled mutations I make telepathy and telekinesis into bloodlines. Some monsters have mental powers and can sneak into characters family trees. I've run a telepath with the psi points, and found the points to be a buzzkill.
Go to Leveled Mutations.
I just don't like the concept of psionics. I don't care about the mechanics. How is it not, conceptually at least, just a variant of a spell-like or supernatural ability? Isn't that called magic, just not spells?
See that was my exact arguments, then they attached Occult onto the name, I still have very fond memories of going to investigate various haunted houses with my dad, so consider me very interested :-)
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I just don't like the concept of psionics. I don't care about the mechanics. How is it not, conceptually at least, just a variant of a spell-like or supernatural ability? Isn't that called magic, just not spells?
...It is. That's kind of the point of it. It's a different form of magic.
I think the point is that anywhere outside roleplaying games psionic terms are exclusive to sci fi and is specifically not refered to as magic (even though that pretty much is what it is). So it's use in fantasy roleplaying is jarring, not so much the mechanics they use but the terminology just isn't associated with the type of world and characters the player expects. Of course, some players who don't sde psionics elsewhere or very often don't mind because for them, psionics is indeed associated with this type of setting.
As far as I can tell, the entire point of calling such powers psionics elsewhere was to avoid calling magic (which some people have a serious religious problem with anything called magic and calling it something else makes that problem go away)
Problem is I get tired of the pace and find it maddening to sit through a podcast/youtube of a gaming session....Uhuh.
Hence...why?
Rynjin - Alicorn kinda summed it up. It's just...it's magic. Call it magic. Don't call it psionics. Clerics cast spells, not prayers. Druids cast spells, not nature manifestations. Wizards cast spells, not studied inscriptions. Sorcerers cast spells not internal manifestations of their will. Why are psionic types any different? It just rubs me the wrong way.
Also, flavor-wise, how are they not sorcerers (with still and silent spell?)
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Flavor-wise, how is a Bard not a Sorcerer?
Flavor-wise, how is a Witch not a Wizard?
Flavor-wise how is a Shaman not a Druid?
Flavor-wise, how is a Cavalier not a Fighter?
Flavor-wise, how is...
Touché. I still don't like them conceptually. But then, I disdain the bard conceptually, and still respect others right to play one, even if they're quite silly.
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I know, imagine a world without Ronnie James Dio, not a pretty place is it.
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Divine magic (obviously) comes from an external source...the entity your prayers are directed towards. You petition that entity to warp the laws of reality on your behalf.
Arcane magic is also an external force...however it's practitioners have learned to harnes that force (magic) more directly, without the need for an intermediary.
Psionics is an INTERNAL source. Psionic characters have honed their minds to the point where they can use them to accomplish extraordinary feats, without the need to rely on the external source (magic).
Psychic magic is the attempt to replicate psionic powers through the use of magic.
Lets just make everything be sci-fantasy and be done with the argument ok? so that way it all will work {shadowrun, steampunk, Marvel, DC, ect}its all sci-fantasy to me, hell that's gets some people angry "no that wont work look at the evidence with xy = cant equal z it should be 2 when you look at real science >>>sigh<<< It the same thing sci-fi is fantasy science...fantasy is the same just called magic no real reason why it cant work together
Psychic magic is the attempt to replicate psionic powers through the use of magic.
Which is EXACTLY how psychic magic and psionics will fit together in my homebrew. Psychic magic came about as a means to combat a psionic race that once conquered much of the world. I've been running games in this setting for over 20 years, and it took Pathfinder's developers to bring everything I had in mind together.
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I know, imagine a world without Ronnie James Dio, not a pretty place is it.
Two things are true: we currently live in a world without Dio and it is not a pretty place. Who knew that he was the last staple holding the world together.
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Kthulu has it exactly right.
From a mechanical standpoint, it might not make a big difference, but from a thematic standpoint the difference is huge. The types of stories that you would tell with magic are very different than the ones you would tell with psionics -- and it's more than just fantasy vs sf.
That's why I tend to only have one or the other in my worlds, but not both.
I despise the notion that Pathfinder is in any way more balanced than 3.5 and will openly mock people at my table who claim this to be true.
I hate the complexity of high-level gameplay - not because of the increased power threshold but the increased preparation workload as a GM. I think it's the single biggest flaw of the entire system, always has been.
I love 3PPs and will seed them into all my games, no matter what source materials are allowed for the players.
I hate the monk. Not mechanically (although he is pretty underwhelming), but fluff-wise. Get your wannabe eastern kung-fu thingie out of my fantasy, now.
I love the murderhobo meme, magic shops and MMO slang. Not IC, but certainly OOC.
I dislike people who hate the murderhobo meme, magic shops and MMO slang and think they live in delusional echo-chambers and enjoy being grognards because reasons.
