I have a player who uses the feat tree for Crane Style. He has the Crane Riposte feat, and uses it quite frequently. We recently got into a disagreement about whether or not he can make an attack of opportunity against a foe that had it's attack blocked by crane wing if the foe is using reach. I believe that the player cannot make an attack on the opponent because the opponent is out of the player's reach. The player's weapon has no reach and he has no reach granting abilities. Therefore the player should not be able to attack. That is my line of thinking. But when we checked the rule on the feat itself it says nothing about not being able to attack creatures out of reach. Plus he claims the attack would be made immediately when the creature is in range upon attacking him. I would just like some second opinions on which way to lean with this one.
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It's in the "Combat" chapter of the Core Rulebook under "attacks of opportunity."
An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes attacks of opportunity from you.
Unless he threatens at least one square the enemy actually occupies, he can't take attacks of opportunity.
Abilities that break this rule specifically state so (such as the Tetori monk's counter-grapple at level 10).
For what it's worth, there's a feat that allows you to do that, Strike Back. The fact that there's a feat to do this argues that you can't do it without it.
I could see the argument that, if the attacking creature is using a natural weapon that you're attacking whatever body part is coming after you....
RAW, no. I think it should work out, though.
I'd take it a step farther and say if the attack was with held weapon and the attacker is outside the PC's reach, then he should be at least able to attempt to DISARM the weapon with his riposte attack. Disarm can be substituted for any melee attack, after all. And the weapon is right there, even if the creature's body is not.
(Ditto for using Sunder, but...who sunders, really?)
No. He can't take an AoO against a creature whose reach puts him outside his threatened range.
I...I think we're all agreeing on a rules question.
Surely this is a sign of the apocalypse.
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I would just like some second opinions on which way to lean with this one.
I can see the logic in what he is saying, if he's going to strike you then at least his weapon (or arm/leg!) is within reach (because he is touching him), so he should be able to strike him.
RAW, he can't make the attack as others have stated. In addition, the feat and style chain is already good, you don't have to make it better, even for a home game, but that's just my opinion.
As I posted above, there is a specific feat that allows you to strike the limb or weapon of a creature that's attacking with reach. Them's the rules, reality be damned!
As I posted above, there is a specific feat that allows you to strike the limb or weapon of a creature that's attacking with reach. Them's the rules, reality be damned!
That's only when you ready the attack, though. Doesn't work for AoO. If I'm feeling lenient, I might consider houseruling to allow a character with Crane Riposte and Strike Back to make the AoO against somebody using reach. Maybe. *shrug*
My point wasn't that it would allow AoOs, just that it seems to indicate that you can't counter attack someone who attacks you with reach.
I could see the argument that, if the attacking creature is using a natural weapon that you're attacking whatever body part is coming after you....RAW, no. I think it should work out, though.
I'd take it a step farther and say if the attack was with held weapon and the attacker is outside the PC's reach, then he should be at least able to attempt to DISARM the weapon with his riposte attack. Disarm can be substituted for any melee attack, after all. And the weapon is right there, even if the creature's body is not.
(Ditto for using Sunder, but...who sunders, really?)
As everybody else has stated, RAW the answer to me is no.
But on the other hand, I can see where the player is coming from, and think that StreamOfTheSky's suggestion is a plausible solution, maybe even adding in the necessary feat tax of Strike Back to actually do the combo?
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1) Crane Ripost isn't /actually/ making an AoO. Its actually using up an AoO instead of using up an Immediate Action. So the rules of threatening doesn't actually apply here.
2) Strike back is put up as one of those awful feats, because its creation suddenly caused a slew of changes to things like AoOs and Ready Actions ect.
Its a bit of a doozey of a feat I'd say.. because it doesn't really account for reach and the like.
RAW it doesn't confirm a yes.. however, Natural weapons and short weapons he should be able to at least attack the limb. longer weapons, he should at least be able to attack the weapon.
1) Crane Ripost isn't /actually/ making an AoO.
Err, no.
Whenever you use Crane Wing to deflect an opponent’s attack, you can make an attack of opportunity against that opponent after the attack is deflected.
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1) Crane Ripost isn't /actually/ making an AoO.Err, no.
Whenever you use Crane Wing to deflect an opponent’s attack, you can make an attack of opportunity against that opponent after the attack is deflected.
Err.. Yes.
Notice there is a word not there. A word that is always used when talking about most AoO. A very simple word in fact.
A word, I like to call... Provoke.
Crane Riposte and Snake Fang do not strangely say anything about the enemy /provoking/ an attack. Only that you can make an attack.
Notice Spellbreaker says Provoke? Not to mention, reiterates that they are in your threatened space?
Similarly Bodyguard Does not mention provoke. Now most of the time in order to use the Aid Other action, the enemy would be in your threaten reach. But what if, you were unarmed? Or possibly armed with something that doesn't threaten.. Such a whip? You can still make use of the Bodyguard feat, so long as you're able to attack the enemy with a melee attack, and you're adjacent to the ally in question.
So what you're saying is that even though it specifically says "You're making an attack of opportunity", it's not making an attack of opportunity?
Things like that are why threads often get bogged down in weird s&!@.
It doesn't say something like "You may expend an attack of opportunity to attack your target" or something similar, like you were suggesting.
It just says "you may make an attack of opportunity". I'm not sure how much more clear cut "You do this thing that is clearly defined in the rules" can be.
Note that Bodyguard (which you were attempting to use to provoke your points) says "you may USE an attack of opportunity" to do X action that is not, in fact, an attack of opportunity.
Crane Riposte does not use this wording at all.
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1) Crane Ripost isn't /actually/ making an AoO.Err, no.
Whenever you use Crane Wing to deflect an opponent’s attack, you can make an attack of opportunity against that opponent after the attack is deflected.Err.. Yes.
Notice there is a word not there. A word that is always used when talking about most AoO. A very simple word in fact.
A word, I like to call... Provoke.
Crane Riposte and Snake Fang do not strangely say anything about the enemy /provoking/ an attack. Only that you can make an attack.
Notice Spellbreaker says Provoke? Not to mention, reiterates that they are in your threatened space?
Similarly Bodyguard Does not mention provoke. Now most of the time in order to use the Aid Other action, the enemy would be in your threaten reach. But what if, you were unarmed? Or possibly armed with something that doesn't threaten.. Such a whip? You can still make use of the Bodyguard feat, so long as you're able to attack the enemy with a melee attack, and you're adjacent to the ally in question.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE ABLE TO HIT THE ENEMY TO AID WITH BODYGUARD
I could see the argument that, if the attacking creature is using a natural weapon that you're attacking whatever body part is coming after you....RAW, no. I think it should work out, though.
I'd take it a step farther and say if the attack was with held weapon and the attacker is outside the PC's reach, then he should be at least able to attempt to DISARM the weapon with his riposte attack. Disarm can be substituted for any melee attack, after all. And the weapon is right there, even if the creature's body is not.
(Ditto for using Sunder, but...who sunders, really?)As everybody else has stated, RAW the answer to me is no.
But on the other hand, I can see where the player is coming from, and think that StreamOfTheSky's suggestion is a plausible solution, maybe even adding in the necessary feat tax of Strike Back to actually do the combo?
I'm glad you like my suggestion, but please dear god no on the Strike Back thing. Calling it a feat tax is quite apt. It's something you should be able to just do (and in 3E IME, every DM allowed you to ready like that), and even worse, it carries a massive BAB requirement, because apparently readying to strike at someone's limb (and if they have reach on you, their limb is likely comparable to you in size and not that hard of a target...) so low level martials can never even do it even if they were willing to toss a feat down the garbage disposal.
1) Crane Ripost isn't /actually/ making an AoO.Err, no.
Whenever you use Crane Wing to deflect an opponent’s attack, you can make an attack of opportunity against that opponent after the attack is deflected.Err.. Yes.
Notice there is a word not there. A word that is always used when talking about most AoO. A very simple word in fact.
A word, I like to call... Provoke.
Crane Riposte and Snake Fang do not strangely say anything about the enemy /provoking/ an attack. Only that you can make an attack.
Notice Spellbreaker says Provoke? Not to mention, reiterates that they are in your threatened space?
Similarly Bodyguard Does not mention provoke. Now most of the time in order to use the Aid Other action, the enemy would be in your threaten reach. But what if, you were unarmed? Or possibly armed with something that doesn't threaten.. Such a whip? You can still make use of the Bodyguard feat, so long as you're able to attack the enemy with a melee attack, and you're adjacent to the ally in question.
That word provoke doesn't actually change anything.
The normal usage is:
When something provokes, you can make an attack of opportunity.
Which is almost exactly like:
When you deflect with crane wing, you can make an attack of opportunity.
Or simplified to handle both cases:
When X, you can make an AoO.
However in all cases here you must actually be capable of making the AoO - which includes the requirement of the target being in a square you threaten. None of these things have changed how AoO's work.
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So what you're saying is that even though it specifically says "You're making an attack of opportunity", it's not making an attack of opportunity?
Things like that are why threads often get bogged down in weird s%$&.
It doesn't say something like "You may expend an attack of opportunity to attack your target" or something similar, like you were suggesting.
It just says "you may make an attack of opportunity". I'm not sure how much more clear cut "You do this thing that is clearly defined in the rules" can be.
Note that Bodyguard (which you were attempting to use to provoke your points) says "you may USE an attack of opportunity" to do X action that is not, in fact, an attack of opportunity.
Crane Riposte does not use this wording at all.
Basically.. Yes.
It does not have to be in your threaten reach to make the AoO. You don't have to threaten at all. What you have to do is satisfy the condition, which is use Crane wing to deflect a melee attack.
Which means you have to be aware of the attack, one hand free and not flatfooted. Now being able to /reach/ the target is a completely different matter all together.
But yes, you are making an AoO that isn't one. As in it was never provoked in a threatened area, but simply a feat says "Hey, good job there. Attack him back."
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1) Crane Ripost isn't /actually/ making an AoO.Err, no.
Whenever you use Crane Wing to deflect an opponent’s attack, you can make an attack of opportunity against that opponent after the attack is deflected.Err.. Yes.
Notice there is a word not there. A word that is always used when talking about most AoO. A very simple word in fact.
A word, I like to call... Provoke.
Crane Riposte and Snake Fang do not strangely say anything about the enemy /provoking/ an attack. Only that you can make an attack.
Notice Spellbreaker says Provoke? Not to mention, reiterates that they are in your threatened space?
Similarly Bodyguard Does not mention provoke. Now most of the time in order to use the Aid Other action, the enemy would be in your threaten reach. But what if, you were unarmed? Or possibly armed with something that doesn't threaten.. Such a whip? You can still make use of the Bodyguard feat, so long as you're able to attack the enemy with a melee attack, and you're adjacent to the ally in question.
That word provoke doesn't actually change anything.
The normal usage is:
When something provokes, you can make an attack of opportunity.
Which is almost exactly like:
When you deflect with crane wing, you can make an attack of opportunity.Or simplified to handle both cases:
When X, you can make an AoO.However in all cases here you must actually be capable of making the AoO - which includes the requirement of the target being in a square you threaten. None of these things have changed how AoO's work.
Incorrect.
The target does not need to be in threaten area for you to use the AoO granted to you by Crane Ripost.
Because..
Making an Attack of Opportunity
An attack of opportunity is a single melee attack, and most characters can only make one per round. You don't have to make an attack of opportunity if you don't want to. You make your attack of opportunity at your normal attack bonus, even if you've already attacked in the round.
An attack of opportunity "interrupts" the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with the next character's turn (or complete the current turn, if the attack of opportunity was provoked in the midst of a character's turn).
Making an AoO.. You can make a single melee attack. Never anywehere in this is "You can make a single melee attack against a creature in your threaten reach.."
Provoking is doing something they shouldn't be doing within your threatened area.
So I guess you are right on the first part.
X happens, you may make an AoO
You only need to threaten to get them to provoke. After that, if some how you stopped threatening them just as you make the attack, you still can make it. Because you don't need to threaten them to make AoO. Just very limited for you to do.
Making an AoO.. You can make a single melee attack. Never anywehere in this is "You can make a single melee attack against a creature in your threaten reach.."
FAQtastic:
You do not provoke attacks of opportunity from foes that cannot reach you, no matter what action you are taking, even if it includes reaching into a threatened space. Although it might seem realistic to allow an attack in such a case, it would make the game far too complicated.
Emphasis...not mine actually.
Also this:
Never anywehere in this is "You can make a single melee attack against a creature in your threaten reach.."
Falls right in line with "There's no rule that says you can't act when you're dead" and its ilk.
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Making an AoO.. You can make a single melee attack. Never anywehere in this is "You can make a single melee attack against a creature in your threaten reach.."FAQtastic:
You do not provoke attacks of opportunity from foes that cannot reach you, no matter what action you are taking, even if it includes reaching into a threatened space. Although it might seem realistic to allow an attack in such a case, it would make the game far too complicated.
Yep.
Sad thing is, you're not provoking here. The feat says "You did X, now make an AoO."
Also this:Never anywehere in this is "You can make a single melee attack against a creature in your threaten reach.."Falls right in line with "There's no rule that says you can't act when you're dead" and its ilk.
Actually, no it doesn't.
ACTUALLY MAKING the AoO it doesn't care about threatened reach. The amount of times that is going to happen though are VERY few and far in between. Because 99% of all AoOs are done by provoking, which is the enemy doing a bad thing (Moving/Distracted act) within your threatened reach.
After that, it doesn't care anymore. This feat doesn't care about threatened reach, only that you did a crane wing.
Well if you look at it RAW, it states you can make an attack of opportunity against that opponent. Ergo, you make the attack regardless of other circumstances. It doesn't state that reach or anything else breaks it.
Yep.Sad thing is, you're not provoking here. The feat says "You did X, now make an AoO."
But how? No, seriously how?
He's not in your threatened area. You cannot attack squares you do not threaten. Period. Unless there's some rule that you'd like to point out.
@Epsy
Exactly, you can make a single melee attack, following all the normal rules of melee attacks. Add BAB, add str, and any other circumstantial modifiers, add bonus damage, all that stuff. And incidentally in order to make a melee attack against a target you must also be able to reach the target with whatever your melee reach is. If you have a reach weapon 10' out. If you are a large creature 10' out, large creature with a reach weapon 15' out, etc.
Would you allow a crane riposte to make a melee attack against a metal oracle standing 30' away that just used steel scarf to attack the monk?
You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack...
Which conversely means that any square you don't threaten you cannot make an attack into.
This feat doesn't care about threatened reach, only that you did a crane wing.
The feat also doesn't change the basic rules on what it takes to make an attack. Without text specifying a change all of those rules STILL apply.
It doesn't need to say you can only make AoO against creatures you don't threaten, because an AoO is still a melee A (attack) which you can only do against creatures you threaten.
Are there any other instances where you can make AoO against creatures you aren't threatening? In other words, is there precedence for this, or is this "possible" in your mind only due to a very specific interpretation.
I might add that it doesn't say the creature provokes, because when a creature provokes from everyone who threatens it by default. So if they said "provoke" they'd have to allow AoOs from others threatening the provoking creature.
Which conversely means that any square you don't threaten you cannot make an attack into.
You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack...
Considering this, Espy's interpretation would make anyone with Crane Riposte threaten literally the entire board, since a melee attack could come from anywhere, and they can ALWAYS attack back regardless of distance, ergo they threaten all squares.
I find that problematic.
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Yep.Sad thing is, you're not provoking here. The feat says "You did X, now make an AoO."
But how? No, seriously how?
He's not in your threatened area. You cannot attack squares you do not threaten. Period. Unless there's some rule that you'd like to point out.
Actually you can attack squares you don't threaten.
Archers do it all the time, so do people who use a whip.
There is two ways this can be looked at...
Crane Wing deflected a melee attack or Crane Wing did Jazz Hands and made the enemy forget to attack. If you are of the Jazz Hands view point, then yes, Unless the monk has a reach weapon, he cannot possibly attack the enemy back. He may make the AoO still, just he cannot reach the target if he chooses to do so. So a monk with a whip, could attack the enemy, or any melee weapon he'd normally have.
Now if you are of the deflect the attack, Then the Monk can attack the enemy if they have a natural or close weapon, or the enemies weapon if they have a longer weapon.
I'm certain there are spells/abilities and the like that also says things like "The target of this does not threaten any spaces." or some such like that. With Crane Ripost you still can make an AoO even with that effect in place.
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@Epsy
Exactly, you can make a single melee attack, following all the normal rules of melee attacks. Add BAB, add str, and any other circumstantial modifiers, add bonus damage, all that stuff. And incidentally in order to make a melee attack against a target you must also be able to reach the target with whatever your melee reach is. If you have a reach weapon 10' out. If you are a large creature 10' out, large creature with a reach weapon 15' out, etc.
Would you allow a crane riposte to make a melee attack against a metal oracle standing 30' away that just used steel scarf to attack the monk?
I personally would allow the crane style user make an AoO to disarm the oracle.
and if somehow the monk had Snapshot.. Yes.
You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack...
Which conversely means that any square you don't threaten you cannot make an attack into.
Whips do not threaten but they can make melee attacks.
Actually you can attack squares you don't threaten.
Archers do it all the time
You know I meant melee attacks, don't waste time.
so do people who use a whip.
Which has a specifically spelled out and detailed exception put into its description.
Now if you are of the deflect the attack, Then the Monk can attack the enemy if they have a natural or close weapon, or the enemies weapon if they have a longer weapon.
No, he can't.
There is nothing in Crane Riposte that says "You can attack squares you don't normally threaten with this AoO".
Whether he touches it to deflect or not (which is unclear, especially in light of the fact that things that trigger on touch like Held Charges on touch spells don't trigger) is irrelevant.
Actually you can attack squares you don't threaten.Archers do it all the time, so do people who use a whip.
You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack..
The ability to threaten and make attacks applies only to melee weapons.
Whips have special rules regarding them and fall into specific trumps general and thus are not a factor in this.
Now if you are of the deflect the attack, Then the Monk can attack the enemy if they have a natural or close weapon, or the enemies weapon if they have a longer weapon.
Its a reasonable house rule to allow attacking the weapon, or limb from a natural attack, but is not RAW.
I personally would allow the crane style user make an AoO to disarm the oracle.
You'd let the monk disarm of the oracle of his shirt? ;)
and if somehow the monk had Snapshot.. Yes.
Now you are really losing me here.
but she may only take an attack action with a ranged weapon
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An attack of opportunity is a single melee attack
Emphasis mine. What you'd allow in your house rules is fine and cool, but again is not RAW. Without additional abilities you cannot make a ranged attack (snap shot) as part of an AoO (being exclusive to melee attacks).
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Which conversely means that any square you don't threaten you cannot make an attack into.
You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack...
Considering this, Espy's interpretation would make anyone with Crane Riposte threaten literally the entire board, since a melee attack could come from anywhere, and they can ALWAYS attack back regardless of distance, ergo they threaten all squares.
I find that problematic.
This is incorrect.
A person with crane style doesn't threaten any more than a person without it.
Crane style has nothing to do with threatening.
Crane Ripost has nothing to do with provoking.
In fact AoO have nothing to do with provoking other than provoking just allows you to make one. AoO's have nothing to do with threatened reach. Its just that the utter most common way that you're going to have one (As in 99% of the time) is by provking in a threatened area.
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The ability to threaten and make attacks applies only to melee weapons.Whips have special rules regarding them and fall into specific trumps general and thus are not a factor in this.
Yes.. But now you have the reach, while not the threatening. There for, you can make an AoO against the enemy with your whip if the enemy is in 15 of you.
How exactly specific vs general applies at all, is quite beyond me. I'm mearly putting the things into play that give you the reach, while not the threatening.
Thus satisfying the condition that you need to reach the enemy to be able to do an attack on them.
and if somehow the monk had Snapshot.. Yes.
Now you are really losing me here.
but she may only take an attack action with a ranged weapon
and
Emphasis mine. What you'd allow in your house rules is fine and cool, but again is not RAW. Without additional abilities you cannot make a ranged attack (snap shot) as part of an AoO (being exclusive to melee attacks).
An attack of opportunity is a single melee attack
Wrong Snapshot.
Snap Shot (Combat)With a ranged weapon, you can take advantage of any opening in your opponent's defenses.
Prerequisites: Dex 13, Point-Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, Weapon Focus, base attack bonus +6.
Benefit: While wielding a ranged weapon with which you have Weapon Focus, you threaten squares within 5 feet of you. You can make attacks of opportunity with that ranged weapon. You do not provoke attacks of opportunity when making a ranged attack as an attack of opportunity.
Normal: While wielding a ranged weapon, you threaten no squares and can make no attacks of opportunity with that weapon.
Shift the bolding to the line immediately prior to that and then re-explain to me why he would be able to make an AoO against a guy 30 ft. away.
Because Crane Ripost said he can.
Snapshot - You can make AoO with a ranged weapon
Crane Ripost - Make an AoO against the foe that Crane Wing deflected.
How are you wielding a bow and having one hand free at the same time?
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How are you wielding a bow and having one hand free at the same time?Because Crane Ripost said he can.
Snapshot - You can make AoO with a ranged weapon
Crane Ripost - Make an AoO against the foe that Crane Wing deflected.
whoever said you wielded a bow?
Not to mention by default, you really only have one hand on your bow. But you could rule that having to draw ammo make the hand 'not free'. Though that would rule you couldn't fire arrows back at people with snatch arrow...
Any-case.. shuriken. You could have both hands free even for this one. free to draw and throw, allowing you to satisfy all conditions.
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Nowhere in the language of Crane Riposte does it say that the ordinary rules for AoO do not apply. The presumption is the ordinary rules apply absent language specifically stating otherwise.
If they had to write "applying all the ordinary rules for making attacks of opportunity" every single time they wrote something similar to "you may make an attack of opportunity", they'd be wasting huge amounts of space.
In the absence of an expressed exception, the ordinary rules apply meaning, you'd have to threaten to make use of the AoO given by Crane Riposte. (Or at least be able to make a 5' step to close that gap if you hadn't already moved - I'd allow that, anyway.)
whoever said you wielded a bow?
I just assumed anybody who spent 4 Feats on ranged would be using a good ranged weapon.
Not to mention by default, you really only have one hand on your bow. But you could rule that having to draw ammo make the hand 'not free'. Though that would rule you couldn't fire arrows back at people with snatch arrow...
"You need two hands to use a bow, regardless of its size."
Any-case.. shuriken. You could have both hands free even for this one. free to draw and throw, allowing you to satisfy all conditions.
Maybe, assuming you can make an AoO against squares you don't threaten (which I ain't sold on).
But you need two hands to WIELD a bow. Wielding isn't the same as holding. This has been established.
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Nowhere in the language of Crane Riposte does it say that the ordinary rules for AoO do not apply. The presumption is the ordinary rules apply absent language specifically stating otherwise.
If they had to write "applying all the ordinary rules for making attacks of opportunity" every single time they wrote something similar to "you may make an attack of opportunity", they'd be wasting huge amounts of space.
In the absence of an expressed exception, the ordinary rules apply meaning, you'd have to threaten to make use of the AoO given by Crane Riposte. (Or at least be able to make a 5' step to close that gap if you hadn't already moved - I'd allow that, anyway.)
Again, no where in the language of actually making an AoO mentions anything about threatened spaces.
Threatened Spaces are only used to Provoke one. Not make one. When you're provoked, you're not making one. Its not until you are making one, that you are in fact.. Making one.
Do I need to repeat the exact same post but change "Attack" for "AoO"? Same thing. You can't attack where you don't threaten. And AoO is just a specific kind of Attack. Same rules still apply. Absent any specific language stating otherwise, you have to threaten the area to make AoO, just like you do for any other Attack.
When you make an Attack, all the ordinary rules for making Attacks apply, unless specifically stated otherwise.
Specific Rules Language:
Most creatures of Medium or smaller size have a reach of only 5 feet. This means that they can make melee attacks only against creatures up to 5 feet (1 square) away.
Melee Attacks: With a normal melee weapon, you can strike any opponent within 5 feet. (Opponents within 5 feet are considered adjacent to you.) Some melee weapons have reach, as indicated in their descriptions.
Natural Attacks: Attacks made with natural weapons, such as claws and bites, are melee attacks that can be made against any creature within your reach (usually 5 feet).
Show me the language in Crane Riposte that specifically excepts the AoO provided by this feat from these ordinary rules.
EDIT: Also, there's this:
Threatened Squares: You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally). An enemy that takes certain actions while in a threatened square provokes an attack of opportunity from you. If you're unarmed, you don't normally threaten any squares and thus can't make attacks of opportunity.
That bolded sentence pretty clearly synthesizes the intent behind the whole AoO section: You must threaten a square to make an AoO. If you don't threaten, you can't make an AoO.
So again, show me the language that excepts the AoO from Crane Riposte from following these rules.
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Do I need to repeat the exact same post but change "Attack" for "AoO"? Same thing. You can't attack where you don't threaten. And AoO is just a specific kind of Attack. Same rules still apply. Absent any specific language stating otherwise, you have to threaten the area to make AoO, just like you do for any other Attack.
When you make an Attack, all the ordinary rules for making Attacks apply, unless specifically stated otherwise.
*ugh*
Threatening =/= Attack Range. Okay?
You can attack where you don't threaten. Archers do it all the time. Any ranged weapon can attack where you don't threaten. Whips can as well. And I'm sure there is spells that can remove your ability to threaten even, but not your ability to attack.
If you have 1h free, aware of the attack, not flatfooted, and you use Crane Wing, Crane Ripost brings you right to making the AoO.
After that, provided you're not using the previous stuff of attacking the limb or something, you have to satisfy the conditions of being able to make a melee attack. Which is basically the enemy has to be in your melee attack range.
Now if you get Snap Shot, you expand AoO to ranged attacks. Meaning you could use a Suriken to attack a foe who did a 30 foot melee attack against you. Because you satisfied all conditions to do a ranged attack.
Threatened area is only important to provoke AoOs. After that, actually making an AoO has nothing to do with the threatened area.
an Attack of OpportunityAn attack of opportunity is a single melee attack, and most characters can only make one per round. You don't have to make an attack of opportunity if you don't want to. You make your attack of opportunity at your normal attack bonus, even if you've already attacked in the round.
An attack of opportunity "interrupts" the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with the next character's turn (or complete the current turn, if the attack of opportunity was provoked in the midst of a character's turn).
THOSE are the normal rules of making an AoO.
Right, but they don't supersede the rules for melee attacks.