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So i want to make an Inquisitor that is devoted to Law. He will kinda worship Abadar, Shizuru, and some of the eastern philosophies. Anyways i can't find any rule against having more than one god.
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Clerics, inquisitors, paladins, cavaliers of the order of the star, and samurai of the order of the star must choose a deity as all classes in Golarion that receive spells and abilities from a specific divine source receive their powers from a deity.So the English language might be ambiguous in many cases, but not in this instance. It clearly says to pick one, and not multiple.
Doesn't actually say one or two or 3 or eleventeen. Just says must pick "a deity". Not really that clear, but anyways...
Your only supposed to pick one patron. If you wanted to you could pick one patron and appreciate others, but your only going to get the benefits of a single patron.
Probly relevant but I think it has been said even if you follow a philosophy you need to pick a diety. You just worship that diety above the others in the philodophy.
I'm not quite sure how it lines up with the PFS-specific rule, but by the rules for Golarion,
I believe your best bet for multi-God-worship is being a member of the Order of the Godclaw,
(now led by a LN Fighter/Cleric, and also includes Paladins)
whose members venerate "aspects of Abadar, Asmodeus, Iomedae, Irori, and Torag" rather than any one specific deity,
and who can access the Glory, Law, Protection, Strength, and War domains (NOT the domains of one specific god).
That doesn't include Shizuru, but I don't see why you couldn't also have an interest in Shizuru as long as that doesn't conflict with the Godclaw.
Otherwise, the only multi-God cleric-dom I'm aware of in official Golarion in Shimye-Magalla, a 'janniform' combining worship of both Desna and Gozreh (which I believe comes out to NG, so not your Lawful cup of tea).
The PFS general rule seems to bar it, but Godclaw and Shimye-Magalla are straight up legit Golarion canon,
which IMHO it should be allowed in PFS, but you might want to run it by PFS management first.
If they are barred, PFS kind of has problems, especially in Isger or the Mwangi Expanse,
where you should encounter worshippers of either sect but the PFS rules say they can't exist.
http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Order_of_the_Godclaw
http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Shimye-Magalla
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Doesn't actually say one or two or 3 or eleventeen. Just says must pick "a deity". Not really that clear, but anyways...
The fact that "deity" is singular, rather than the plural "deities," means that you only choose one.
This is further supported by the use of the indefinite article "a," which is inherently singular. To quote a certain online resource, "'A' and 'an' signal that the noun modified is indefinite, referring to any member of a group." Note that "member" is also singular.
"A deity" is one deity. Not "two or 3 or eleventeen."
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James Jacobs has revised the worship of the "Godclaw", stating that even those Hellknights actually get their powers from only one of the five, which varies from member to member.
Likeise, he revised away those clerics who worshipped "the Empyreal Lords" (gotta pick one) and "the four horsemen" (likewise).
James Jacobs has revised the worship of the "Godclaw", stating that even those Hellknights actually get their powers from only one of the five, which varies from member to member.
Likeise, he revised away those clerics who worshipped "the Empyreal Lords" (gotta pick one) and "the four horsemen" (likewise).
Its a retcon right?
You can even claim to also worship the flying spaghetti monster.
Can I find that god in the Pastafanarianist of Golarion companion?
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You can even claim to also worship the flying spaghetti monster.
Can I find that god in the Pastafanarianist of Golarion companion?
Please see Besmara for information on the Pastafarian movement on Golarion. Her inquisitors are well are aware of the long reach of his noodly appendage, but this is normally considered a sacred mystery.
I can only type this now as I'm wearing a jolly roger t-shirt.
-TimD
A Divine spellcaster depends on a tight connection to the diety who grants his or her powers. There is no "kinda" about it.
Unless your an oracle. Or a cleric/inquisitor of an ideal(which aren't PFS legal). Or a paladin outside of PFS. Or a ranger. Or a druid.
Being a bit mean about using the word 'kinda' aren't you?
what about choosing feat, traits, and items that are specific. Getting spells from one god is understandable. But i don't see a reason why not having a specific god as your main patron would stop you from using their feats when the feats are more of skill/technique/philosophy thing rather than a magical thing.
@LazarX
This Inquisitor worships law, and from that he draws his divine power, he just keeps several gods in high esteem.
what about choosing feat, traits, and items that are specific. Getting spells from one god is understandable. But i don't see a reason why not having a specific god as your main patron would stop you from using their feats when the feats are more of skill/technique/philosophy thing rather than a magical thing.
Good question! Wish I knew myself. If I had to guess I would think ideally most of those traits/feats/techniques would have a direct relation with their god, but some fell through and just didn't. A while ago there was a thread on Spiked Destroyer where similar things where brought up. Spiked destroyer has nothing to do with Gorum beyond involving his favored weapon.
@MrSin
i can't find where PFS says you can't have clerics or inquisitors of an ideal.
i've read this page but i didn't see it.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
did i miss it or is it somewhere else?
Its in your guide to society play under religion. Its a free download. Additional resources deals with exclusions within books, but your guide should have some extra rules and how to play things going on in it.
i found it, i re read the guide book to pfs, thank you.
PFS lets you officially worship one Deity. You can revere as many as you want RP-wise, but for official purposes like qualifying for feats, there is only one official Deity you worship.
I would still like to hear Paizo or PFS' official take on Godclaw and Shimye-Magalla.
James' position on anything "smelling" of multi-God worship also doesn't match up with Shimye-Magalla,
and he's been over-ruled on other aspects of Golarion canon as well (e.g. Paladin atheism, even if a PFS specific rule covers that).
The straight up canon description of Godclaw re: Domain access doesn't correspond to the idea that they worship each god individually.
Of course, that still conflicts with the PFS rule, but it would be good to hear the official word either way,
perhaps Godclaw (and Shimye-Magalla) should be valid 'entities' to qualify as your single object of worship,
perhaps they want to go official with the retcon for Godclaw (and with Shimye-Magalla?),
or perhaps they just will say "Godclaw and Shimye-Magalla work like they say, but PFS PCs just can't select them as the official single deity to worship, even if NPCs might".
(similar to atheist Paladins able to exist in Golarion, and they could show up as NPCs in a PFS game, but you can't play one as a PC in PFS)
I would still like to hear Paizo or PFS' official take on Godclaw and Shimye-Magalla.
I thought they were retconned into oblivion? Like paladins of Asmodaues and juju zombies?
No. The point of those feats traits and items represent a devotion and dedication to that deity and their ideals. It takes more energy than you can do twice.
That's just silly. Several of them really don't really involve worship.
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what about choosing feat, traits, and items that are specific. Getting spells from one god is understandable. But i don't see a reason why not having a specific god as your main patron would stop you from using their feats when the feats are more of skill/technique/philosophy thing rather than a magical thing.
I think it is dumb too but that's been the PFS house rule for as long as I can remember. I always prefer the alkternative as well since it is more accurately representitie of how polytheism works IRL.
@MrSin
i can't find where PFS says you can't have clerics or inquisitors of an ideal.
i've read this page but i didn't see it.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
did i miss it or is it somewhere else?
It is not just a PFS thing. It is a house rule for the entire Golarion setting. At some point they went through and retconned out all the examples of pantheistic clerics and clerics of an ideal or cause. The reason is the existence of the cult of Razmir since the idea of a false god does not quite work when you could potentially have clerics of an ideal as part of his church running around with actual divine powers.
It is not just a PFS thing. It is a house rule for the entire Golarion setting. At some point they went through and retconned out all the examples of pantheistic clerics and clerics of an ideal or cause. The reason is the existence of the cult of Razmir since the idea of a false god does not quite work when you could potentially have clerics of an ideal as part of his church running around with actual divine powers.
Clerics of an ideal don't necessarily have to represent false gods. I thought it had to do with oracles existing and then retconning everything else, but don't take my word for it.