Ammo Size

[Rahnum]

I've a character which is able to wield a Huge Bow. Don't worry about how, I've already worked out the specifics with my DM. My character is a ranger....so I've got a Huge Compound Longbow 3d6+4 -> Gravity Bow 4d6+4

What is the size of the ammo I need? For a normally huge bow are we talking about firing spears and javelins through the air as arrows?

And I can actually use enlarge person to increase the damage further if my animal companion has ammo sized for a gargantuan bow. So what am I firing at that point? 300yr old oak trees?

Basically what are the ammo sizes for each size of possible bow?

[Heaggles]

according to the rules the ammo for a halfling ways the same as ammo for a giant. Yea I agree that it should way more for the giant but it dose not.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

The rules for size scaling still applies; arrows cost twice as much as the previous size category, and weigh 4 times as much per.

Taking Large arrows, they'd be approx. 1/4th a pound each and cost approx. 4 gold per 20. So yes, the ammunition does increase in weight (and value), but such things are generally not accounted for.

[I Hate Nickelback]

Can I know how you can wield that? I want a character who can do that...

[Rahnum]

Its a Custom Goliath Race of the DM's making. Its a world of his own design. The Goliath's have a racial feat called Big Grip which they can hold a size category bigger weapon, then there's a second feat chain, Wield Oversized Weapon, so we're up to a Huge Longbow now, Gravity Bow spell, now Gargantuan, have your animal companion hold Gargantuan Ammo, Enlarge Person, Fire your Gargantuan Compound Bow with the Gravity Bow spell, and you've reached Colossus.

Honestly I'm literally buying Javelins for my Huge Bow, adding fletchings and pinning goblins to walls with them. My DM jokes about me eventually shooting Redwoods at people, and another player jokes that I'm an Urban Renewal Project. I'm basically carrying a Ballista on my back, and its only going to get worse! Mwahahah!

[Sic_Pixie]

It is my understanding that Enlarge Person does not increase the damage of a ranged weapons.

From the PRD

Enlarge Person

All equipment worn or carried by a creature is similarly enlarged by the spell. Melee weapons affected by this spell deal more damage (see Table: Tiny and Large Weapon Damage). Other magical properties are not affected by this spell. Any enlarged item that leaves an enlarged creature's possession (including a projectile or thrown weapon) instantly returns to its normal size. This means that thrown and projectile weapons deal their normal damage. Magical properties of enlarged items are not increased by this spell.

Unless this is also agreed before hand by your GM.

Happy Hunting

Sic

[Rahnum]

Longbow damage does increase with size.

The only reason enlarge person doesn't increase ranged and projectile damage is because the projectiles return to normal.

However if I take a gargantuan ammo from my companion, it will not increase in size,(otherwise you're telling me everything I touch grows too), because it wasn't on my person when the spell was cast as well. Not to mention its not even in my possession, its just within easy reach.

The bow is the correct size to fire the ammo, and the ammo will not shrink when leaving the bow because it wasn't affected by the spell enlarge person. Therefore, there's no reason it shouldn't work if you have someone else carrying the ammo.

The spell doesn't start affecting other items just because you pick them up, or else that'd just open up all sorts of shenanigans.

In short, there is every reason to believe the damage increases as long as you have someone else carry the next size up ammo for you.

[Sic_Pixie]

If you have a cohort/companion carrying your huge arrows then yes I see no problem using this this way.

But as stated normal arrows will return to normal arrows when they are shot.

Indeed a large longbow does more damage than a normal sized longbow. But the game mechanic rightly or wrongly puts this greater damage on the size of the missile not the force of the shot.

Having someone carrying larger size ammo for you is a good idea. Thats what hirelings are for :)

Sic

[Rahnum]

I think they do it because regardless of the size of the ammo, you still need the mechanism to fire it. Namingly a bow of appropriate size. Its innately tied to what you're using to fire it.

And thanks :) I've been doing a lot of research into my Archery Ranger. Gets kinda scary when I realize I've made it to Colossus. Makes me wonder if I can take it even further.

Least to my knowledge I've gone as far as Pathfinder science can take me up the sizing scale!