Neanderthal/Caveman-like player race with a +2Str +2Wis -2Int would be nice.
Aren't they just humans with lower intelligence score and higher strength(not even that I guess)
I guess you all are after the Cavemen from cartoons and horror movies?
You can always go with Morlocks or Troglodytes. I think pathfinder banished humans out of the bestiary for a reason, cavemen are humans.
Actually I think James Jacob has mentioned wanting to do (or they already exist but are unstatted) Neanderthals as a O HD race
So we will almost certainly get them someday...
I think I remember him saying that as well MMCJawa.
So James worked on the Frostburn book?
If humans had primitive ancestors/related species, what about elves, dwarves, halfings, etc. We know gnomes had ancestors from the first world though we do not know if they were fey, or just a different kind of gnome, or something else.
If humans had primitive ancestors/related species, what about elves, dwarves, halfings, etc. We know gnomes had ancestors from the first world though we do not know if they were fey, or just a different kind of gnome, or something else.
For some reason, I thought that Pech were a related branch of the Gnomish tree like Neanderthals to Humans (Homo-Sapiens), but maybe I'm confusing Pathfinder with AD&D (or just made it up in my head).
I agree that there must be some kind of similar sorts of possibly now-extinct (or at least Lost World) relatives to the other races. In other genres, I've imagined the Sidhe to be the ancestral cousins or forebears of the Elves, but the Sidhe are a bit different on Golarion. I know there was a recent comment (by James Jacobs) regarding the similarity in appearance between the Elves and the Azatas, with no confirmation on precisely what that relationship was, but it could be interesting to think they may be related. There are certainly plenty of elvish-like fey and/or other creatures that might be relatives, though none recall the sort of pre-modern elvish niche like a Neanderthal would fill. There were the Wild Elves of earlier editions of D&D, though.
I also always sort of pictured dwarves as being pygmy giants, splitting off from that branch of the evolutionary/magical tree at some point. Again, going back to D&D, the Korobokuru might be a close analogue to the Neanderthal/Human relationship.
I thought the vault builders of the darklands created Pechs from an other type of fey to serve them.
a whole subspecies of outsider based around the night hag.
I really would like a very different version of the (in real mythology boring, good and kind) Bluecap.
I would like them to be evil Redcap sub-species that collect spirits/souls inside their caps instead of blood, so their caps turned blue instead of red.
To make it KINDA based on the true myth they are mostly active inside mines.
harvest the souls of miners?
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Not really, they just make their homes inside Mines, to stay a little bit true to the original myth, which pictures them as kind spirits that help miners. BORING, when I first saw the name bluecap I thought about a species of Redcap, but they are a very different creature, one pathfinder otherwise would not use so why not make it something different.
Noppera-bō is another creature that is pretty useless in real myth (only scare you? wha?) but which can be turned into a awesome critter, a stealer of faces or a kyton-variant that removed his/her own face, or something even more frightening.
Ratatoskr can also be turned into a more dangerous monster, one that spread lies like a disease or plague, every lie the Ratatoskr's spread will become a serious trouble and many once-great cities have been destroyed or ruined by the lies of a Ratatoskr. Their voices (or maybe cursed telepathy) hypnotize you into believing everything they say, only true hearing/seeing/whatever can help you against their lies.
The worst thing is that these self-centered squirrels enjoy nothing more than seeing entire civilizations ruin and destroy themselves by absorbing the evil squirrels lies like a drug as their telepathy/voice is addictive like cocaine to even the most powerful of kings and queens.
Intulo are just bigger Lizardmen from African myths, with the bigger-thing you can do much tho. Do we have dinosaur-lizardmen yet? With so many cryptids in Africa being prehistoric animals and dinosaurs and with Lizardfolk already being the normal lizardmen I think the Intulo would make a great Dinosaur-man creature, or a bigger and more monstrous version of the Lizardmen. Troglodyte are wussies, they aren't dinosaur-lizardmen at all in my book, so Intulo can make it up for that loss.
All undead are fugly, ugly and kinda unattractive, bring in an Aztec Goddess named Itzpapalotl seek up her butterfly-storyline and then remember that Pathfinder did the same with Xtabay. A skeletal horror with the beautiful wings of a butterfly would be perfect, luring in souls with their beauty while promoting the beauty of death. (through suicide)
Last but not least is the Basan and while most people know this Japanese critter to be a chicken with some fire-breath, Pathfinder could suprise them all and turn these pretty useless chicks into true monstrosities! Just add in some phororhacos (AKA Chicken from Hell), give it more powerful fire-abilities, make it best friends with Efreeti who also use them as steeds, and add a little bit more agressivity and intellect and you have a Basan that makes the Axebeak pale in comparison. Oh, and Basan like their meals to be roasted into ash, not baked.
More good aligned Outsiders to balance out with the glut of evil Outsiders. Also more Proteans and Inevitables.
A good aligned corporeal undead would be nice.
A creature that eats incorporeal creatures, living or undead.
An incorporeal construct creature, maybe an ectoplasmic golem.
A creature that can make small portals to attack and cast spells through similar to the Sharn from D&D.
A failed clone template would be cool.
A Nanite swarm, CR18-20 range, that "feeds" on carbon from living creatures and objects.
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A Nanite swarm, CR18-20 range, that "feeds" on carbon from living creatures and objects.
Oooo, a grey goo! Would it be an ooze or a construct?
I would want the Nanites to be of the construct type.
Must have more bunays!
A mini-ceberus, one the size of a toy dog, and looks a bit cuter.
Trying to get Cerberus as a familiar? :P
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A mini-ceberus, one the size of a toy dog, and looks a bit cuter.Trying to get Cerberus as a familiar? :P
that just makes perfect sense to me.
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Why not have a Cerberus familiar, phoenix familiar, sphinx familiar, naga familiar, chimera familiar, and a griffin familiar.
Why not have a Cerberus familiar, phoenix familiar, sphinx familiar, naga familiar, chimera familiar, and a griffin familiar.
because life isn't fair...yet
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Nidhöggr
Ratatöskr
Lol this is simply pathetic, I put an entire story around Ratatoskr and nobody cared, somebody put on 1 word and 1 person marked this as a favorite...
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It's my squirrely charm that got them. But you did get a favorite.
And I'm glad we agree on this particular one.
I still say we need giant squirrels.
We didn't get any mega-fauna last bestiary so we could use some more of those.
A living creature that can detach it's body parts and they still function and it can control them as if they were still a part of it.
More supernaturally quick and speedy creatures like the quickling.
A monster harmed by moonlight instead of sunlight.
A monster that is a monstrous humanoid or magical beast that can inflict lycanthropy(any type at random)and is CR15+.
A non-ooze with the split universal monster ability.
NidhöggrRatatöskr
I like this idea a lot.
I feel like listing some. Anyone want to suggest a culture/region?
I think I remember him saying that as well MMCJawa.
So James worked on the Frostburn book?
If humans had primitive ancestors/related species, what about elves, dwarves, halfings, etc. We know gnomes had ancestors from the first world though we do not know if they were fey, or just a different kind of gnome, or something else.
That sounds interesting. How about primitive ancestors of some of the monster humanoids? Or maybe even a Primal/Prehistoric template that you could use on humanoids?
Not really, they just make their homes inside Mines, to stay a little bit true to the original myth, which pictures them as kind spirits that help miners. BORING, when I first saw the name bluecap I thought about a species of Redcap, but they are a very different creature, one pathfinder otherwise would not use so why not make it something different.
Noppera-bō is another creature that is pretty useless in real myth (only scare you? wha?) but which can be turned into a awesome critter, a stealer of faces or a kyton-variant that removed his/her own face, or something even more frightening.
Ratatoskr can also be turned into a more dangerous monster, one that spread lies like a disease or plague, every lie the Ratatoskr's spread will become a serious trouble and many once-great cities have been destroyed or ruined by the lies of a Ratatoskr. Their voices (or maybe cursed telepathy) hypnotize you into believing everything they say, only true hearing/seeing/whatever can help you against their lies.
The worst thing is that these self-centered squirrels enjoy nothing more than seeing entire civilizations ruin and destroy themselves by absorbing the evil squirrels lies like a drug as their telepathy/voice is addictive like cocaine to even the most powerful of kings and queens.Intulo are just bigger Lizardmen from African myths, with the bigger-thing you can do much tho. Do we have dinosaur-lizardmen yet? With so many cryptids in Africa being prehistoric animals and dinosaurs and with Lizardfolk already being the normal lizardmen I think the Intulo would make a great Dinosaur-man creature, or a bigger and more monstrous version of the Lizardmen. Troglodyte are wussies, they aren't dinosaur-lizardmen at all in my book, so Intulo can make it up for that loss.
All undead are fugly, ugly and kinda unattractive, bring in an Aztec Goddess named Itzpapalotl seek up her butterfly-storyline and then remember that Pathfinder did the same with Xtabay. A skeletal horror with the beautiful...
These sound really good. Particularly Intulo and Basan.
Thank you, where would my vanity be without your kind words and robert best 549's cute favorite-buttom addiction! ;-)
Speaking of vanity and arrogance, that new demon in the latest demon AP called Vilsteth or Corruption Demon is also very awesome with its arrogance and addiction to itself, I really like its ability to enter artwork and wall drawings! It can even become a living wall drawing, which reminds me of the latest Zelda game, maybe JJ took the inspiration from there? ;-)
So that demon should really be in bestiary 5!
The new Demodand is also very creepy and awesome, so save a spot for him too.
I feel like listing some. Anyone want to suggest a culture/region?
What about Australia? Some interesting critters there I think!
I would also like to see stats for both Nidhoggr(mythic) and Ratatoskr(maybe Mythic).
Wannabe Demon Lord how about more stuff from Japanese, Australian, or Polynesian.
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In terms of Japan, there's so much I want there, I don't know where to begin. There are so many Yokai that would be cool, it would definately take more than one afternoon. So, here goes with Australia and Oceania.
Aboriginal
Yara Ma Wyha Hoo- This one's already been discussed, but it's just so awesome I can't resist.
Cheeroonear- Dog men with orangutan arms
Eer Moonan- Chimeric monsters, dog body, echidna head, human feet.
Muldjewank- Giant aquatic fishman monster
Wowie- Giant lizard/ant hybrid
Yowie- Marsupial Sasquatch
Keen Keeng- Bat armed giants
Gurangatch- Giant, aquatic lizard monster with a lot of eyes
Philipino-
Alan-Humanoid arboreal bat/bird hybrid monsters
Batibat- Bloated, disease bringing forest hag
Buso- Giant, cannibalistic tusked cyclopses
Cafre- Predatory boar men
Sigbin- Vampire goat monster with wings for ears
Tiyanak- Demon that lures people to their deaths in the form of a child
Indonesian
Buta Cakil- Hook toothed demon
Gandaspati- Light elemental dragon
Malaysia
Hantu- Diverse class of demons, numerous types
Orang Bati- Bat winged orangutans
Ahool- Monkeylike bat monster
Maori
Taniwha- Awesome tuatara dragons
Melanesia
Kaia- Demons that appear as pig/snake hybrids
Matabiri- Bloated humanoid (froglike) swamp demons
Kakamora- Hairy, large clawed Mahaha like creatures
Vis- Flying, glow in the dark vampiric creature. Rips people's eyes out.
Forgot, some cryptids
Burrunjor- Viscious theropod dinosaur
Murray- Stocky, long necked amphibious minotaur
Dirawong- Sauropod like lizard monsters
Gazeka- Large clawed tapir like creature
Ropen- Bioluminescent pterodactyl
Veo- Giant pangolin beast
Row- Weird hybrid dinosaur
Cool list, some I knew others I didn't knew!
I don't know if you know this monster or left it out because it was already mentioned but Aboriginal's also have the Tiddalik, a frog monster that acts much like the Grodair from Pathfinder's bestiary 3.
Hmm, sounds cool. Does remind me of the Grodair. I wonder if the Grodair was inspired by it.
Ow I missed your Cryptids completely, funny to see the Veo there, I remember spending quite some time on that monster, but the online-info on that thing is freaking rare... I really love the Pangolin, I think awesome monsters can be made from armadillo's and Pangolins they are so special and strange, perfect monster material.
I wouldn't mind the Veo as it could be a dire pangolin, but you came up with the Yeitso in your americal-creature list and I discovered the Minhacao online some months ago, both are even cooler than just an overgrown Pangolin as the Yeitso is a giant humanoid/pangolin crossbreed and the Minhacao is a giant black worm creature covered in armadillo or pangolin scales.
But since there aren't ANY pangolin monsters yet (I don't count the normal pangolin as monster) what about Bestiary 5 gaining 3 of them? Yeitso, Minhacao and Veo/Dire Pangolin?
Ropen is another creature I kinda liked, seen them in a kids cartoon some years ago and they were pretty awesome with their flashing lights and stuff, could be a stronger/weaker cousin to the Kongamato.
Is the Kasai Rex also from those cryptid lists or does the red tiger-printed T-rex creature belong on another list?
Ow I missed your Cryptids completely, funny to see the Veo there, I remember spending quite some time on that monster, but the online-info on that thing is freaking rare... I really love the Pangolin, I think awesome monsters can be made from armadillo's and Pangolins they are so special and strange, perfect monster material.
I wouldn't mind the Veo as it could be a dire pangolin, but you came up with the Yeitso in your americal-creature list and I discovered the Minhacao online some months ago, both are even cooler than just an overgrown Pangolin as the Yeitso is a giant humanoid/pangolin crossbreed and the Minhacao is a giant black worm creature covered in armadillo or pangolin scales.
But since there aren't ANY pangolin monsters yet (I don't count the normal pangolin as monster) what about Bestiary 5 gaining 3 of them? Yeitso, Minhacao and Veo/Dire Pangolin?
Ropen is another creature I kinda liked, seen them in a kids cartoon some years ago and they were pretty awesome with their flashing lights and stuff, could be a stronger/weaker cousin to the Kongamato.
Is the Kasai Rex also from those cryptid lists or does the red tiger-printed T-rex creature belong on another list?
Pangolins are among my favorite animals. I'd like to see Veo, Yeitso, Minhacao, Dingonek, and Skeljaskaimsli. That would make up for the distinct lack of pangolins. I like Ropen, too. Photophoric pteradactyls are pretty awesome. Was the show you saw Secret Saturdays? I loved that show. They really went out of their way to use obscure creatures. And I think Kasai Rex is African.
Dingonek, I never spend too much time on it because I always hated the horn on the creatures head for some unknown reason, but now I read that the horn isn't always there, so a walrus/pangolin/sabretooth cat creature would be awesome, the scorpion tail and rhino horn should go tho, don't like too many scorpion tails on numerous creatures.
I forgot about Skeljaskaimsli because the name is such a pain for me, but the picture I found on the internet is pretty neat.
Pangolins are naturally at home among my favorite animals cuz I always (from little child to now) had and have a weakspot for strange, ugly and bizarre animals that got little love from the big media such as Pangolin, Electric Eels, Aye Aye, Chamois, Frilled Lizard, Gila Monster, Babiroesa Pig and the Torrent Duck (a duck that lives near waterfalls and impossible strong current waters)
Many awesome monsters can spawn from those animals.
We REALLY need something Aye Aye like. Giant Gila Monsters are a necessity too. And I love the idea of Babirousas. We need them as animal companions. Chamois as animal companions too. The rest as familiars.